Quote from: Sacrosanct;564785The height of the civiliaztion (as far as romanticed fantasy goes) is the spear wielding warrior.  Those were bad ass motherfuckers.  There's nothing racist about it.  You're suggesting adding some sort of technology when it makes no cultural sense just because you want to avoid appearing to be racist?  That is sooooo dumb.  The famous tribal African warrior is depicted without much clothing because it's fucking hot in Africa.  Not because he's any less intelligent or civilized than a European counterpart.

The problem is with you, and people like you, who assume that a tribal or nomadic culture is by default inferior to a European culture.  So YOU are the one who is racist.  How do you like those apples?

But the shirtless spear wielding warrior is a RACIST STEREOTYPE. If you're going to make a game and you want to avoid that slap him in some royal garb at the very least!

How about how the scandinavians and french are depicted in Golarion; such ugly racism...

Quote from: The Traveller;564784It insinuates they're all drug addicts too, I don't know how much PCP you'd have to horse back to be able to lift that pigsticker. (I can say pigsticker right, thats not racist against police people?)

Dude. Bath salts.

Quote from: jeff37923;564786I had it and decided I didn't need it. I do not remember this particular picture and am asking you in the hope of understanding your views.

Now, are you going to answer the fucking question or will you keep dissembling in an attempt to avoid it.

Well I'll show you the pictures but after this I'm quitting this conversation because the ignorance and denial being displayed here IS actually offending me.
Taldan Entry


MwangiEntry

Quote from: jeff37923;564774OK, so having a picture of a non-white from a primitive culture within a few pages of a picture of a "well-dressed white dude" is racist?

Where does this "well-dressed white dude" come from? What nation or culture?

The 'well-dressed white dude' is Taldan, who are not white.


The preceding entry is for the Kellid, who are also not white and of the same broad 'racial' category as the Taldan who are a mixed race offshoot whose proto-Kellid ancestors hosted Azlanti refugees, whom are also not clearly meant to be "white" and have no clear real-world analogue.  They are the Golarion version of Atlantis, Aztlan or whatever.

Edit:  Correction, the Taldan are part Kelishite, not Kellid, not that it really makes a difference.

Quote from: MGuy;564787But the shirtless spear wielding warrior is a RACIST STEREOTYPE. If you're going to make a game and you want to avoid that slap him in some royal garb at the very least!

Royal garb, haha fuck, classist much you fucking halfhead?

Quote from: MGuy;564787But the shirtless spear wielding warrior is a RACIST STEREOTYPE. If you're going to make a game and you want to avoid that slap him in some royal garb at the very least!

No it is not.  How can you not see this.  The shirtless spear wielding warrior is an accurate depiction of what a warrior of that culture is.  You want royal garb?  Do you expect every depiction of a white person to have a crown and velvet cape?

Of course not.  See the double standard?  The irony is that you are the one suggesting racist ideas.

Quote from: MGuy;564787But the shirtless spear wielding warrior is a RACIST STEREOTYPE. If you're going to make a game and you want to avoid that slap him in some royal garb at the very least!

Why is "the shirtless spear wielding warrior" a racist stereotype?



OHMIGOD!! RACIST!!

Quote from: MGuy;564792Well I'll show you the pictures but after this I'm quitting this conversation because the ignorance and denial being displayed here IS actually offending me.

Sorry dude, you're the one who is being ignorant.  You want to hold a particular culture to a different standard than everyone else.  That, my friend, is racism.

You're your own side's worst enemy without even realizing it.

That's right MGuy, you just keep your cocksucker shut when grownups are talking from now on.

Quote from: Wolf, Richard;564793The 'well-dressed white dude' is Taldan, who are not white.


The preceding entry is for the Kellid, who are also not white and of the same broad 'racial' category as the Taldan who are a mixed race offshoot whose proto-Kellid ancestors hosted Azlanti refugees, whom are also not clearly meant to be "white" and have no clear real-world analogue.  They are the Golarion version of Atlantis, Aztlan or whatever.

OK, thank you.

From what I remember, the Taldans are considered to be a culture that is in the decline in Golarion. Yup, my memory has not failed me.

So, the pic of a native in a vibrant developing culture of dark-skinned humans is racist because it is compared to a culture of decadence and crumbling empires that is white.

Quote from: MGuy;564792Well I'll show you the pictures but after this I'm quitting this conversation because the ignorance and denial being displayed here IS actually offending me.

Attaboy!

Just ride into the sunset, O White Knight.

Race/Class/Level systems and others that utilise Archetypes etc are all about stereotypes - its what characters in those systems are.

So there's always going to be an argument in relation to real world analogues that some of them are Racist, well, because they are stereotypes.

So, for example...

Zulu warrior or Zulu trader?

Gypsy pedlar or Gypsy Sculptor?

Hungarian Hussar or Hungarian Pedeotrician?

Certain combinations trigger associations that fire the imagination and make you go "oh yeah, cool!"

The fact that they are stereotypical means that some of them can be called racist because of negaitive real-world connotations.

Me? I wanna play a Zulu warrior.

Isn't there a difference between imperfect knowledge of a subject, and malicious racism intended to belittle another and glorify oneself?

I've got to go to work now, but I'd like one of the people who believes that Golarion is racist to prove that while also taking a game like Solid! The d20 Blaxploitation Experience and explaining why that either is or is not also racist in comparison.