Quote from: deadDMwalking;1100618I don't know if that's true - my experience is generally that it is not.  Highly intelligent people look for intellectual challenges and may get bored or spend their creative energy avoiding work.  Someone that is fully concentrating to do a good job may put themselves fully into the work in a very different way.  

There's nothing to be ashamed of in honest work, and there is nothing wrong with having a job that you are exactly qualified for (rather than over- or under-qualified).  Even if that is cleaning toilets.

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Quote from: Zirunel;1100630That an organization might weed out the excessively bright should come as no surprise. I remember reading, a long time ago, a memoir about the early years of the CIA. I think it was one of  Miles Copeland's. He said the CIA avoided recruiting the "over-intelligent." And this was for essentially analytical work, we're not talking James Bond here. Quintessentially academic work, and they did want academic qualifications, they just didn't want the A students. They wanted solid Bs and C+s. I didn't get the sense it was about retention rates though, the reasons were maybe partly that the brightest would get down in the weeds and might give better analyses eventually but not in a timely manner, but mostly that the brightest were politically suspect, i.e. more likely to be reds.

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The BBC's propaganda wing promotes the idea of gatekeeping in D&D https://twitter.com/BBC/status/1183397244403441667

Quote from: Gagarth;1109503The BBC's propaganda wing promotes the idea of gatekeeping in D&D https://twitter.com/BBC/status/1183397244403441667

Lol. "D&D isn't just for nerds anymore. And to be honest, it never was!"

"Not just for beardy boys in a basement anymore!"

"[It's got its problems] with
DIVERSITY
AND
INCLUSION
but there's groups out there working on it, there's teams out there working on it!"

Thank god for all those alleged think tanks out there working so hard to save the hobby from itself! Well, really more just from men I guess...

Quote from: Antiquation!;1109531Well, really more just from men I guess...

White, straight men. There, FTFY.
/sarcasm

This is not a new phenomenon, I've seen it with video games (which went mainstream first), and with other niche interests.

Once they reach a certain critical mass they stop being the target of ridicule and abuse, and are then hailed as something "for everyone", which allows the "cool people" to start doing it too and not feeling dirty while doing it.

I absolutely fucking hate these people. They despised me back in the 80s and 90s, and I'm pretty sure they still despise me today. However, they now want to make believe that my hobbies were always cool with them, and I'm the problem for not wanting people that hate me to be a part of my interests.

FUCK them.

And if that is gatekeeping, so be it.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1109576I absolutely fucking hate these people. They despised me back in the 80s and 90s, and I'm pretty sure they still despise me today. However, they now want to make believe that my hobbies were always cool with them, and I'm the problem for not wanting people that hate me to be a part of my interests.

I'm not one of those people, but I'm pretty sure I'd despise you given the chance.  Fuck gatekeeping.  It's petty and you're petty if you insist on doing it.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1109576White, straight men. There, FTFY.

Too damn true.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1109576This is not a new phenomenon, I've seen it with video games (which went mainstream first), and with other niche interests.

Yes, absolutely. The AAA videogame industry is largely a bloated corpse now riddled with these types of maggots, each with their own cult of personality like Anita and her horde of conspirators, cheats, liars and cultists.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1109576However, they now want to make believe that my hobbies were always cool with them, and I'm the problem for not wanting people that hate me to be a part of my interests.

"We were never the problem, it was always you! Now open up the door you greedy, spiteful bogart!! In fact, nice place; now this is my house. All this shit you own inside is going out the window though. What, you don't like the new decor? Then fuck you, go build your own house, bigot!!"

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1109576FUCK them.

Not even if someone paid me.

Quote from: BronzeDragon;1109576White, straight men. There, FTFY.
/sarcasm

This is not a new phenomenon, I've seen it with video games (which went mainstream first), and with other niche interests.

Once they reach a certain critical mass they stop being the target of ridicule and abuse, and are then hailed as something "for everyone", which allows the "cool people" to start doing it too and not feeling dirty while doing it.

I absolutely fucking hate these people. They despised me back in the 80s and 90s, and I'm pretty sure they still despise me today. However, they now want to make believe that my hobbies were always cool with them, and I'm the problem for not wanting people that hate me to be a part of my interests.

FUCK them.

And if that is gatekeeping, so be it.

I hate to break it to you, but in the late 70s/early 80s, before D&D seriously chased the adolescent and lifestyle-hobbyist market, lots of people who played D&D weren't nerds, geeks, or otherwise at the bottom of the social ladder.  It was an accepted pastime among popular high schoolers who were invited to the parties.

Quote from: EOTB;1109585I hate to break it to you, but in the late 70s/early 80s, before D&D seriously chased the adolescent and lifestyle-hobbyist market, lots of people who played D&D weren't nerds, geeks, or otherwise at the bottom of the social ladder.  It was an accepted pastime among popular high schoolers who were invited to the parties.

LOL. No, man. You just thought you were part of the "in crowd".

Quote from: EOTB;1109585I hate to break it to you, but in the late 70s/early 80s, before D&D seriously chased the adolescent and lifestyle-hobbyist market, lots of people who played D&D weren't nerds, geeks, or otherwise at the bottom of the social ladder.  It was an accepted pastime among popular high schoolers who were invited to the parties.

/raises hand.

I can verify this. I'd relate my story - but I don't want to reveal how C-to-the-E I was as a high-school wrestler/football player.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1109595LOL. No, man. You just thought you were part of the "in crowd".

I was part of the "in-crowd" - but not because I wanted to be. Everyone bought their weed from me. You wanna slam-dunk my favorite dork that pretends he's an elf-paladin in his fantasies, into a filthy garbage can?

No weed for you.

If they wanted to start shit - no problem. I was the 228 heavyweight varsity wrestler on the squad, no one was fucking with me. 99.9% of the time it stopped at the loss of weed-access. The only time it didn't was this little 120lb guy on my wrestling team, who gave me a black eye (of course I still fucked him up). But he was a scrappy little fucker. Respect.

Quote from: tenbones;1109599/raises hand.

I can verify this. I'd relate my story - but I don't want to reveal how C-to-the-E I was as a high-school wrestler/football player.

Yeah, for a short couple of years, the game was an intersection where people with letterman jackets hung out in rooms filled with black light posters on the walls and haze in the air.

But that stopped once the S&S/savage sword of conan vibe changed to high fantasy/dragonlance, the writing changed to young adult fiction-style, and the DM started reading long blocks of text every other encounter.  Once the pre-teens took over D&D the older teens who only played casually moved quickly out of it.

One of the smallest guys in school. Didn't even speak English until the 3rd grade. Picked on and bullied almost constantly. I learned to fight back in the 4th grade getting a brown belt in Karate, and then made it my goal to not be bullied anymore. Got in lots of fights, mostly with bigger bullies. Usually but not always lost, however made them regret picking on me, every time, and usually wasn't attacked or bullied a second time. Eventually most of it stopped. Did get suspended my junior year in high school for a week in High School one last time, after another bigger kid called me Gay. I had to laugh at him, because half a dozen young ladies were having lunch with me at the time, and he had his retarded Bro crowd with him. Pointed that out to him asking him who looked the Gayest ...and he lost his temper.

The Vice-Principle tried to break up the fun and we both wailed on him for awhile. That's what really got me my weeks suspension, that and informing the VP that if Baker messed with me again, I was going to bring a baseball bat to school and really work him over. Bigger bullies didn't scare me then, and don't scare me now.

Had a few stoners in our gaming group, three or four geeks like me (I used to constantly carry a briefcase full of books around, including gaming books), several older college kids, one Biker, several geeky women, and one flaming gay guy,and two gay guys in the closet, one of which came out our senior year. Basically everyone not mainstream who didn't fit in anywhere else. We never excluded anyone, no one mainstream cared to be in our gaming group.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1109582I'm not one of those people, but I'm pretty sure I'd despise you given the chance.  Fuck gatekeeping.  It's petty and you're petty if you insist on doing it.

And that is how you get lawncrappers and SJWs, folks.......

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1109582I'm not one of those people, but I'm pretty sure I'd despise you given the chance.  Fuck gatekeeping.  It's petty and you're petty if you insist on doing it.

Except when it's the SJWs openly gatekeeping, then you won't say a word to oppose them.