So in particular, I'm thinking of manipulations of point-buy games to min/max or give yourself combinations of advantages/disadvantages in such a way that was clearly not the intent of the spirit of the rules. Has this actually come up for you in a game where you either played or GMed?
I made a tank mage in Shadowrun 5th edition. Spent all my 6 magic to produce a tank adept/mage. Armor rating was 12 just by being naked. With some combat armor my total armor was over 30. Add in the fact I had magic 6 and sorcery 5 my magic pool was 11. With mana bolt and power bolt I could basicly destroy every thing. Though the main killer was magic armor which does stack. If memory is right I could get a total armor rating of 40. Good luck damaging me.
Shadowrun 5th edition sounds very different from 2nd edition.
Go to GITP... The 3e boards specifically. You will see atrocity after atrocity. It's craven mayhem all the way down. Stuff to make pun-pun blush.
Kind of cathartic in a way.
95% of the time though it was to break the system and not to actually play the characters
The other 5% yeah I will echo the Shadowrun shenanigans.
Quote from: Scott Anderson;814825Go to GITP... The 3e boards specifically. You will see atrocity after atrocity. It's craven mayhem all the way down. Stuff to make pun-pun blush.
Kind of cathartic in a way.
I looked it up. It was a cautionary tale. I am off to play hobbies now, to cleanse my palate, lest I gaze too long into the abyss.
Kinda in 2e Shadowrun. You needed your primary stats good as the cost of improving only got worse later and other factors. So the system seemed designed to encourage tossing alot of points into one or two.
But it is not a be-all-end all and you can make balanced characters and do fine. But you were possibly accepting limits later.
I allways wondered if that was deliberate as part of the theme.
Quote from: Snowman0147;814821I made a tank mage in Shadowrun 5th edition. Spent all my 6 magic to produce a tank adept/mage. Armor rating was 12 just by being naked. With some combat armor my total armor was over 30. Add in the fact I had magic 6 and sorcery 5 my magic pool was 11. With mana bolt and power bolt I could basicly destroy every thing. Though the main killer was magic armor which does stack. If memory is right I could get a total armor rating of 40. Good luck damaging me.
That sounds like you used priorities, which isn't the same thing as point-based character gen (Like in, say, SR4e); and frankly, with Magic Priority A, you should be
quite good.
Of course, even if you can hit 40 armour (With time to prepare, natch), I doubt your friends and family could. Or your apartment. Or you, while you sleep.
I've seen combos I found egregious, but nothing that I could claim violated the intent of the rules.
The two incidents that stick out in my mind:
* GURPS playtesting. The blindtesters were told not to houserule -- to play it straight, no matter what, and report the results in to Austin. So one enterprising fellow, during character creation, grabbed full Eidetic Memory (which in BSI doubled any points you put into mental skills), cranked his IQ, and put quarter-points into sixty different skills, seeing as that'd double to the half-point/skill that was then the system minimum. So ... for fifteen measly points, he really was a jack of ALL trades.
That was the point where I decided to screw the instructions, figuring I didn't need Texas to tell me when something was badly fucked up, and invoked "Nice try, but no."
* I was in a startup Champions campaign where the GM wanted me -- the only experienced Champions player in the group -- to be the clear party leader, so he spotted me fifty extra points to start. I put together a classic energy projector, but dropped hints of a an adventure featuring a kidnapped baby with mutant sonic powers at the base of the Hancock Tower. For those of you not familiar with Boston, it's an 800' tall skyscraper completely sheathed in glass panes, that throughout the 70s had a propensity to fall out of the building, and required many millions to fix.
Somewhat horrified at the notion of our party having to deal with a hundred tons of glass crashing down on our heads at height, I built in a once-only-per-day wide-dispersal energy cone (with a heap of limitations) that did huge damage, hoping that it'd cope. Unfortunately, it also proved to be a Big Bad killer, and bad guys built tough enough to give me a challenge would smoke the rest of the party. I gave it four sessions before trading out.
We never did encounter the baby.
Quote from: RPGPundit;814815So in particular, I'm thinking of manipulations of point-buy games to min/max or give yourself combinations of advantages/disadvantages in such a way that was clearly not the intent of the spirit of the rules. Has this actually come up for you in a game where you either played or GMed?
Several times, mostly in
Champions. The common one was to take "Code Against Killing" as a disad and then ignore its effects at every opportunity during actual play. There was one Player about 15 years ago who dumped all his points into NPC connections with the disad that he had to have his cell phone as its focus - the effect was that he could just call up a buddy who owed him a favor and the service or thing would appear, no matter how outlandish or bizarre. Had a Player from the same time spend points in such a way that any NPC who said his PCs name ("The Green Knight!") would have to do so in an overdramatic
basso profundo voice - which included at one point Doctor Doom, since we were in the Marvel Universe setting.
GURPS had a lot of Players buying enough quirk disads to get their characters that one or two ads they desperately wanted - usually Luck at maximum. So you would have completely one shot characters who could do one or two things really, really well (usually combat related) but could not interact with NPCs because they would disgust the NPC (usually by taking large numbers of Odious Personal Habits).
Well I had a player want to take slave mentality and manna enhancer in a GURPS fantasy game. Another time he took duplication and duplicates with duplication.
I can't remember the exact details, but with the Player's Options in 2e, there was a point buy paladin. I remember he didn't wear armor (to gain extra points), but his abilities were clearly min/max and he had a d12 for hit points, specialization, and pretty much the ability to cast cleric spells like a cleric (much lower level to get them)
so basically, the HP of a barbarian, weapon spec like a fighter, and spell casting like a cleric. All in one class.
I remember reading through HERO threads about people either asking how to make a telekinetic sentient onion poltergeist or toasters..... then seeing this incredibly detailed write up. I wonder how many people were turned off by that?
One player took Shotgun 200% for his Call of Cthulhu Investigator, spending all his skill points.
His rationale was that he was going to be useless and go mad anyway, so he might as well be good at something.
I cannot remember if the Investigator actually owned a shotgun, though.
Quote from: soltakss;814881One player took Shotgun 200% for his Call of Cthulhu Investigator, spending all his skill points.
His rationale was that he was going to be useless and go mad anyway, so he might as well be good at something.
I cannot remember if the Investigator actually owned a shotgun, though.
First time he loses enough SAN, the Keeper should give him : Phobia (Shotguns)
Actually had a player minmax SAN in COC. With a SAN of 90%+, she could shrug off all sorts of stuff (like staying sane after two consecutive d20/d100 san loss)
Though this was combined with a lot of luck, and it only meant she lasted longer...
What was funny was that she was a gonzo player doing a lot of crazy unwise things. In one case, she triggered a series of events that wiped out half the party (and one character survived because she had shot him in the leg earlier in the adventure, so was in a hospital where he could be saved by another character)
Good times...
We played a GURPS Supers game where every book was permitted, and the explicit goal was to built the most powerful character you could. There was a lot of painful system contortions that game, but it was pretty fun, although it clearly illustrated the relative differences between Psionics, Magic, and Supers.
Quote from: Ravenswing;814848
* GURPS playtesting. The blindtesters were told not to houserule -- to play it straight, no matter what, and report the results in to Austin. So one enterprising fellow, during character creation, grabbed full Eidetic Memory (which in BSI doubled any points you put into mental skills), cranked his IQ, and put quarter-points into sixty different skills, seeing as that'd double to the half-point/skill that was then the system minimum. So ... for fifteen measly points, he really was a jack of ALL trades.
That was the point where I decided to screw the instructions, figuring I didn't need Texas to tell me when something was badly fucked up, and invoked "Nice try, but no."
Were quarter points actually a thing in the playtest? I thought half points were the minimum. In that case he would have to put 30 points into the skills to have them as 1 point skills. Still cheesier than a deep dish pizza but at least not blatantly violating the letter of the rules.
I remember we found some outrageous combos in TORG, mainly exploiting the fact that the numbers are logarithmic and the designers assumed people would pick one cosm and stick with it.
So the telekinetic from one cosm with my blessing to boost his Mind (or whatever it was) and another character's magic boost, he could easily toss aircraft carriers at opponents.
In Hero System's Fantasy Hero, I had a player plow most of his points into Teleport for 1 hex distance. It was limited to living beings only. He couldn't teleport anything including equipment. He buffed up its area of effect, range to target, and paid for reduction in endurance cost.
Why? Because every time they ran into tool using opposition. He would cast the spell and teleport them one hex to the right where they would wind up naked and bereft of all equipment. It was among the most broken thing I ever seen.
Quote from: estar;814901In Hero System's Fantasy Hero, I had a player plow most of his points into Teleport for 1 hex distance. It was limited to living beings only. He couldn't teleport anything including equipment. He buffed up its area of effect, range to target, and paid for reduction in endurance cost.
Why? Because every time they ran into tool using opposition. He would cast the spell and teleport them one hex to the right where they would wind up naked and bereft of all equipment. It was among the most broken thing I ever seen.
The gm really needed a firmer hand. That would been an extremely expensive Attack active point wise. (Teleport, Usable as Attack, Ranged, AE of effect, 0 Endurance is about +3 set of advantages) and it would have to a reasonably common situation or action that stopped it completely and opponents could try to dive out of the AE. And the GM would be within their rights to reject or drastically reduce the "Living things only" Limitation since its not really very limited for the powers intended use.
And technically it couldn't remove equipment that the target paid points for unless they were accessible Foci. That takes a Transform or similar effect.
Must have been a campaign with very high AP limits.
I had a GURPS player who wanted to play a total pacifist who would fly into a rage and kill anyone who touched his athame. That's not technically a point-buy manipulation, but my proposed solution might be: take Multiple Personality and assign the Pacifism and the Berserk traits to different personalities.
Quote from: estar;814901In Hero System's Fantasy Hero, I had a player plow most of his points into Teleport for 1 hex distance. It was limited to living beings only. He couldn't teleport anything including equipment. He buffed up its area of effect, range to target, and paid for reduction in endurance cost.
Why? Because every time they ran into tool using opposition. He would cast the spell and teleport them one hex to the right where they would wind up naked and bereft of all equipment. It was among the most broken thing I ever seen.
FWIW,
Taking that kind of Limitation on a Usable As an Attack (UAA) Advantaged Teleportation ability does not work that way. IF to be a valid target - the target must be alive THEN it just means that valid targets that happen to carry equipment will be Teleported with all their equipment to where the power moves them.
While it is possible to build a Teleport UAA that ONLY works on equipment there still needs to be a relatively common defense to the ability just like an attack built with the No Normal Defense Advantage requires.
In the 2e PO world, a favorite exploit was to build every character out of the cleric template, trading out hit dice, THAC0s and spell schools for max build points.
Quote from: Hyper-Man;814922FWIW,
Taking that kind of Limitation on a Usable As an Attack (UAA) Advantaged Teleportation ability does not work that way. IF to be a valid target - the target must be alive THEN it just means that valid targets that happen to carry equipment will be Teleported with all their equipment to where the power moves them.
While it is possible to build a Teleport UAA that ONLY works on equipment there still needs to be a relatively common defense to the ability just like an attack built with the No Normal Defense Advantage requires.
My call as GM would be a more straight forward way to build the effect would be Transform. Reasoning from Effect: What the player wanted to do was strip his targets if their equipment not move them.
Also we're talking ALLOT of AP for the Teleport build. My gut reaction is that its pretty high for Fantasy Hero game.
HERO system, CHAMPIONS.
Somebody built a device... I don't remember how... that really would destroy the world.
For 15 points. Totally, completely, by the rules legal.
Then one of his friends said, "For three more points you could make it AUTOFIRE." :D
I think someone once made a Champions character who owned the universe. They called him The Landlord.
Quote from: Will;814994I think someone once made a Champions character who owned the universe. They called him The Landlord.
How did he collect rent?
Not sure! This is hazy memories of early 90s Usenet (so, technically, not something I SAW... but funny)
You can get up to all kinds of shenanigans with the Hero System. I don't have it on me (sorry) but in Fantasy Hero it's not terribly difficult -- I mean, 50 to 60 active character points, much less in Real Points -- to conjure entire mountains and drop them on opposing armies. Yeah, I wrote up a spell for that. Didn't use it in play, for obvious reasons....
In fairness, 50-60 active points is in the superheroic power ranges. If that's the level for your Fantasy Hero game you're basically playing (Rpg.net) Exalted with Hero System rules. So you should be able to pull off some OTT shit. :D
Quote from: soltakss;814881One player took Shotgun 200% for his Call of Cthulhu Investigator, spending all his skill points.
His rationale was that he was going to be useless and go mad anyway, so he might as well be good at something.
I cannot remember if the Investigator actually owned a shotgun, though.
Because if you're going to go batshit insane in the middle of a fight, you want something that causes collateral damage no matter where you point it. :D
JG
Quote from: Will;814994I think someone once made a Champions character who owned the universe. They called him The Landlord.
I believe that was a hypothetical example IN
Champions 4th Edition to demonstrate that while you could sink all your points into Followers and "Base" (the world) that doesn't mean you've got a feasible character. ;)
JG
Quote from: James Gillen;815023I believe that was a hypothetical example IN Champions 4th Edition to demonstrate that while you could sink all your points into Followers and "Base" (the world) that doesn't mean you've got a feasible character. ;)
JG
For one thing the universe becomes much more fragile since the character probably can't afford to buy up the default Defense and Body. :D
I have fond memories of a lot of this kind of goofiness from the late-80's salad days of HERO and GURPS. Yeah, we were "Doing it wrong", but we were kids and everyone was having fun.
I recall a Fantasy Hero game were all the characters had the disadvantage "No sense of pain". I recall white-collar power gamers who would just give themselves the shittiest ability scores imaginable and then spend all their points to be Vice-President of the United States, Supreme Admiral of the Galactic Empire, or CEO of Exxon.
LOL... my crossbow-wielding cowboy shit-kicker going on secret missions into Central America with his old war buddy, the Vice-President.
In amber one guy took Human rank Strength (+25 points) then bought a tattoo that granted Amber rank vitality (Amber rank vitalality 4 points Impant - pre KoS though -confer quality - I costed it at 10 but by the rules prolly 5 points) effectively no disadvantage with a +10 point gain.
Also in Amber
A deck of spells. A card that holds a single spell (you tear the spell to cast it - 1 point). Horde quantity (he had about 120 of them x 3 cost) = total cost for 120 spells = 3 points
Shadow pawns - Human ranked agents in all shadows through out the universe. by the rules it should cost zero. Human rank (0) Ubiquitous through shadow (x6) = 0. I made him pay a point for each agent giving them some "spy skills" (usually free) then made him play named and numbered (x2) to make groups of spies and then Ubiquitous in shadow (x6) for a total cost of 12 points.
Ring of Invulnerability - Ring Immune to damage (4) Confer quality (+5) = 9 points to get immunity to all physical damage.
Quote from: Sacrosanct;814875I can't remember the exact details, but with the Player's Options in 2e, there was a point buy paladin. I remember he didn't wear armor (to gain extra points), but his abilities were clearly min/max and he had a d12 for hit points, specialization, and pretty much the ability to cast cleric spells like a cleric (much lower level to get them)
so basically, the HP of a barbarian, weapon spec like a fighter, and spell casting like a cleric. All in one class.
2e player options were dreadfully balanced.
You could build a Priest who had fighter attacks and all the theif skills at equiv level in return for cutting down to a couple of spheres and loosing turn undead.
Trouble was in order to build a RAW priest you actually needed that many points because RAW priests/clerics were so out of whack
i once created a champions character that effectively couldn't miss a shot with his blasters (there was some chance of failure, naturally, but it was negligible) and could also shoot from one side of the battlemat to the other with no penalty to accuracy. i was not allowed to play this character.
re: silly HERO builds
(6e rules)
25 The Munchkinator!: Killing Attack - Ranged 1 point (standard effect: 1 BODY, 42 STUN), Area Of Effect Accurate (4m Radius; +1/2), Armor Piercing (x4; +1), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1), Autofire (5 shots; +1 1/2), +40 Increased STUN Multiplier (+10) (75 Active Points); Requires A Roll (13- roll; Jammed, Must be made each Phase/use; -1), Side Effects, Side Effect occurs automatically whenever Power is used (GM slaps player upside head for attempting to use such a silly power build; -1) 0
(5e rules)
25 NEW & IMPROVED Cheese Wizzer (Now with MORE Limburger!): EB 2d6, Area Of Effect (One Hex; +1/2), Uncontrolled (+1/2), Sticky (+1/2), Continuous (+1), Autofire (5 shots; +1/2), Non-Standard Attack Power (+1), 125 Boostable Continuing Charges lasting 1 Turn each (+1 1/2), AVLD (Flash Defense Smell/Taste Group; +1 1/2) (80 Active Points); Activation Roll 15-, Jammed (-3/4), Side Effects (After noticing how cheezy a build this is the GM "accidently" drops some type of cheezy food (nachos, pizza, etc..) on character sheet.; -3/4), IAF (Belgium Cheeze Wiz ; -1/2), Limited Range (-1/4) [Notes: HAZMAT suite not included.] - END=[125 bc]
During character generation for a GURPS3e game I saw a player take Alternate Form: Armoured Personnel Character. The GM disallowed it as the setting was medieval fantasy, so the player changed it to a beserk murderous demon... it was at this point I decided not to play in that campaign.
A lot of my desire to scope out point buy systems came from looking at the character class creation system in AD&D 2e.
I was excited, read it carefully, then realized how utterly imbalanced it was, that it didn't even replicate the core classes, etc. And thought 'man, I need a system that does this... right!'
I've gone through a lot of phases since, but it's fun to reminisce.
Quote from: Hyper-Man;815045re: silly HERO builds
(6e rules)
25 The Munchkinator!: Killing Attack - Ranged 1 point (standard effect: 1 BODY, 42 STUN), Area Of Effect Accurate (4m Radius; +1/2), Armor Piercing (x4; +1), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1), Autofire (5 shots; +1 1/2), +40 Increased STUN Multiplier (+10) (75 Active Points); Requires A Roll (13- roll; Jammed, Must be made each Phase/use; -1), Side Effects, Side Effect occurs automatically whenever Power is used (GM slaps player upside head for attempting to use such a silly power build; -1)
This build could actually make sense with right special effect like something really ultra tech like a Tech Level: Enough "shotgun" that fires monomolecular flechettes or microscopic force spears.
Quote from: Hyper-Man;815045(5e rules)
25 NEW & IMPROVED Cheese Wizzer (Now with MORE Limburger!): EB 2d6, Area Of Effect (One Hex; +1/2), Uncontrolled (+1/2), Sticky (+1/2), Continuous (+1), Autofire (5 shots; +1/2), Non-Standard Attack Power (+1), 125 Boostable Continuing Charges lasting 1 Turn each (+1 1/2), AVLD (Flash Defense Smell/Taste Group; +1 1/2) (80 Active Points); Activation Roll 15-, Jammed (-3/4), Side Effects (After noticing how cheezy a build this is the GM "accidently" drops some type of cheezy food (nachos, pizza, etc..) on character sheet.; -3/4), IAF (Belgium Cheeze Wiz ; -1/2), Limited Range (-1/4) [Notes: HAZMAT suite not included.] - END=[125 bc]
I've seen a version of this written up as a Flatulence Bomb.
In fairness it was a Stupor Heroes game. :)
I remember a character in Gurps Supers who took no disadvantages. That was probably the most ridiculous thing.
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;815031LOL... my crossbow-wielding cowboy shit-kicker going on secret missions into Central America with his old war buddy, the Vice-President.
I was surprised to discover that the only recent vice-president of the United States who served in a war was Al Gore. Biden would probably be the most fun on a secret mission; Cheney would probably be more effective but he did once shoot a fellow party member in the face, so caution might be advised. Yeah, best to stick with alternate history VPs.
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;815031I recall white-collar power gamers who would just give themselves the shittiest ability scores imaginable and then spend all their points to be Vice-President of the United States, Supreme Admiral of the Galactic Empire, or CEO of Exxon.
That's actually fairly realistic.
JG
Quote from: Exploderwizard;814896Were quarter points actually a thing in the playtest? I thought half points were the minimum. In that case he would have to put 30 points into the skills to have them as 1 point skills. Still cheesier than a deep dish pizza but at least not blatantly violating the letter of the rules.
His argument was that with the doubling, they were "really" half-points, and with instructions that no matter how cheesy the players got, let them do it anyway, figured he had me over a barrel.
Quote from: rawma;815140I was surprised to discover that the only recent vice-president of the United States who served in a war was Al Gore.
We had a twenty year period without wars. I had a good laugh at a right wing nitwit who bitched that Obama never fought, and fired back that
neither had any Republican contender for the last election.
Quote from: Nexus;815126This build could actually make sense with right special effect like something really ultra tech like a Tech Level: Enough "shotgun" that fires monomolecular flechettes or microscopic force spears.
I've wondered if Damage Negation was partly created to counter builds like this.
Not really point buy, but ...
We have a multi-GM campaign and I had a WereTiger vampire in RQ2, were-tigers doubled STR in Tiger-form, so the vampire had STR 42, doubled to 84, which gave him an immense damage bonus. One of the other GMs decided to outdo me and hunted through the Gateway Bestiary, until he found the Shark-Men, were-sharks whose STR multiplied by 2.5 in shark form, so a STR 21 Shark Man, as a vampire, with STR 42, increased STR to 105!
So, the PCs were on a boat, sailing down the Zola Fel, when this STR 105 Vampire Were-Shark swam towards us. One of our PCs had Sense Undead and realised it was a vampire. The GM, with a huge grin on his face, mentioned the STR multiple, to which the player of a Humakti said "Aren't Vampires annihilated in running water?" ...
In Marvel Universe RPG (Diceless version - with 'stones') I've seen starting characters that can one shot the Hulk and Thor :rolleyes: All within the rules, min/maxed absolutely no good at doing anything else, but every person they come across they can take out.
In Blood of Heroes (DC Heroes as was) there's an advantage that you can add that means your linked abilities (Powers and Skills) go up if your link stat goes up, and that's wide open to abuse. Any power that boosts Dex or Str in particular. Say Growth, Superspeed, Density Increase. All increase stats, and by paying extra any other abilities linked to that stat (Dex or Str) go up as well.
It's expensive, but you get round that by throwing in the odd loss vulnerability. Point is your street level starting heroes can take on the Anti Monitor, say. Even with energy blast (or worse, Magic blast) or similar. Just get a serious power burnout (-2 FC) and you can pretty much hit 25-30APs as your main power. Spend a bit more and make it area effect? Nuclear blast from starting character anyone?
I would hope GMs raise an eyebrow and shake their head before handing the sheet back saying "You know you will fight mental guys (or whoever you are weakest against) all the time with this, right?"
All easy done in the rules, and I would expect players to get the most bang for buck. Taking the piss on the other hand...
Back in the day... our group decided to play a GURPS Supers game. One player objected, he didn't like supers games. he threatened to play a character wityh *all* his points sunk into Fish Detection. We eventually talked him out of it. It would have made a useless character for a supers group. BUT... it would have made a character that was *very* wealthy. It was a 300 point game. With Fish Detection that high he would have known where every fish on the planet was. He might have known their names...
Quote from: Tetsubo;815432Back in the day... our group decided to play a GURPS Supers game. One player objected, he didn't like supers games. he threatened to play a character wityh *all* his points sunk into Fish Detection. We eventually talked him out of it. It would have made a useless character for a supers group. BUT... it would have made a character that was *very* wealthy. It was a 300 point game. With Fish Detection that high he would have known where every fish on the planet was. He might have known their names...
So he threatened to play Super-Friends Aquaman?
Seems legit...
Quote from: Warboss Squee;815436So he threatened to play Super-Friends Aquaman?
Seems legit...
Without the utility of water-breathing or any other abilities.
Quote from: Tetsubo;815432Back in the day... our group decided to play a GURPS Supers game. One player objected, he didn't like supers games. he threatened to play a character with *all* his points sunk into Fish Detection.
Man, pulling shit like that pisses me off so much. If you don't want to play a game. DON'T PLAY, don't threaten (or do) passive aggressive shit to try and ruin what everyone else wants. Or Hell, if there's no options, suck it up and play the game. Odds are others have done things you like that weren't there faves.
*pant, pants, huff huff*
Rage over.
Yup, that's highly shitty.
Could have been handy in a Sharknado game, though... :)
Champions...
I gamed with this one guy who was a mathematician for an insurance company. It was his job to analyze reams of data and derive the actuarial tables the company used. He could do differential equations in his head.
So, when he made a champions character it was ungodly efficient. All the disads were quite reasonable, but the total effect was gamebreaking.
I have one friend that any time she goes, 'wait, what's this about variable power pools?' I know my campaign is about to be taken to the cleaners.
Quote from: Baron Opal;816465Champions...
I gamed with this one guy who was a mathematician for an insurance company. It was his job to analyze reams of data and derive the actuarial tables the company used. He could do differential equations in his head.
So, when he made a champions character it was ungodly efficient. All the disads were quite reasonable, but the total effect was gamebreaking.
I resemble that remark! :P
Quote from: Baron Opal;816465Champions...
I gamed with this one guy who was a mathematician for an insurance company. It was his job to analyze reams of data and derive the actuarial tables the company used. He could do differential equations in his head.
So, when he made a champions character it was ungodly efficient. All the disads were quite reasonable, but the total effect was gamebreaking.
That's what happens when the PLAYER buys Lightning Calculator. :D
JG
Quote from: Scott Anderson;814825Go to GITP... The 3e boards specifically. You will see atrocity after atrocity. It's craven mayhem all the way down. Stuff to make pun-pun blush.
Kind of cathartic in a way.
i just cant stand the way they make a few posts in a thread and drop it nothing ever gets anything in depth
Quote from: Nexus;815440Man, pulling shit like that pisses me off so much. If you don't want to play a game. DON'T PLAY, don't threaten (or do) passive aggressive shit to try and ruin what everyone else wants. Or Hell, if there's no options, suck it up and play the game. Odds are others have done things you like that weren't there faves.
*pant, pants, huff huff*
Rage over.
shitty as his reasons for it were that could be a fun character to play in the right game but if it is bad for the game or for shitty reasons like that then you have a problem
Quote from: Hyper-Man;816481I resemble that remark! :P
(Looks at location)
Holy Christmas! Jeff?!
Quote from: Baron Opal;816648(Looks at location)
Holy Christmas! Jeff?!
LOL, no. I'm not an insurance mathematician. Just an IT guy named Dave.