I was thinking about this last night whilst going through a collection of old movies.
Many years ago in my teens, there was this movie called Krull (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krull_(film)) .
It's a Science/Fantasy movie about an evil race of aliens flying about space in a giant space fortress and invading planets.
Krull happens to be one of these planets and it's a sort of Fantasy/Scifi type tech thing.
The plot holes are god awful. The acting is really terrible. The special effects (its strong selling point) were good for the time, but look awful by today's standards.
As a teenager, I loved it. But the kernel of the idea is pretty fun and could make a fun Science/Fantasy setting with some work. Especially as the movie is one big quest made up of several sub quests. so could be a lot of fun for a 10 session campaign or something like that.
So, what ideas are there out there for truly terrible movies that would make a fun RPG campaign/setting?
Krull has a 6.1 rating at IMDB...it's not Citizen Kane, but it's hardly a really bad movie.
I would go with She, which actually isn't that bad either (4.9), but basically it's a post apocalyptic movie starring (sorta) the blonde chick from Conan the Barbarian as the ruler of a tribe of Amazons who decides to go off (along with a henchwoman) to rescue this guy's sister (along with his doofus friend). They encounter all sorts of really weird stuff on the way. (Also strangely, Rick Wakeman of Yes does the soundtrack).
Yor the Hunter from the Future is another one. Mixes dinosaurs with fantasy and sci-fi
The Ice Pirates.
Zardoz. A really trippy 70s Post Apocalypse exploitation flick strring Sean Connery in a red diaper. It actually inspired the Mutant Crawl Classics module Warriors of Atoz.
Deathstalker. Definitely an influence on my version of the Wilderlands. :p
The Archer, aka Fugitive from the Empire, Sword & The Sorcerer, Battle Beyond the Stars
Any of the 80's Sword and Sorcery schlockfests: Red Sonja, Hawk The Slayer, The Beastmaster (I know it's bad, but it's still one of my favourite films), the Conan Duology, The Sword and The Sorcerer, and so forth.
Hell comes to frogtown. Come on, Roddy Piper. Plus the notion if a guy's junk wired to cause agony or explode at a woman's command, hell Anita Sarkeesian would endorse it.
A.P.E.X. A weird terminator ripoff, I gotta plug it just for the cool robot outfits.
Moontrap. Weird mechanical alien pods invade earth and use machinery and human corpses to create combat units.
Quote from: JeremyR;1001455Krull has a 6.1 rating at IMDB...it's not Citizen Kane, but it's hardly a really bad movie.
I don't care what a rating site says. I've seen it recently as well and it's god awful.
Perhaps what's propped up the rating is it's achieved a sort of cult status over the years.
Try actually watching the movie and tell me it's not a bad movie.
But if rating sites ARE important to you.
Rotten tomatoes gives it 33%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/krull/
2 stars here.
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/krull/review/
On the IMDB site, the slightly better rating is more about nostalgia and how it's really cheesy, but a laugh as it's so bad.
It's a bad movie.. You might think it's not and that's ok, but I and a good portion of review sites disagree.
Anyway, good or bad, I get it's subjective.. To me it's bad, which is why I posted it as such.
And just because it's bad, doesn't mean I haven't watched it and had a laugh, just not for the reasons I expect the makers of it were hoping.
"Waterworld" could make a fun setting for a post apocalyptic game. Cobine it with "Planet of the Sharks" for extra bite.
Dead Heat/URL]. One of those movies that all my friends and me thought was the shit when we were in grade school. I saw it again recently, and while it's got some interesting ideas, it did not hold up. However, the tech makes the setting interesting. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Heat_(1988_film))
Would this one count?
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Who wouldn't want to play in this postapocalyptic wonderland?
Quote from: HappyDaze;1001652Would this one count?
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As a bad movie or a fun setting?
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Oh, oh, oh! Starcrash!
[video=youtube;pzfuNSpP0RA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfuNSpP0RA[/youtube]
And the irony is that it's still better than the Star Wars prequels!
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1001661Oh, oh, oh! Starcrash!
[video=youtube;pzfuNSpP0RA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfuNSpP0RA[/youtube]
And the irony is that it's still better than the Star Wars prequels!
That's a good movie, though. I thought this was for bad movies.
Lorca and the Outlaws... alias Starship when I saw it.
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Hawk the Slayer is perfect, and I've included things from that movie in my campaign for many years:
- Cultists who burn dwarves for their god.
- Slavers by the River Shale.
- A giant who isn't much taller than anyone else, but wields a mean hammer.
- Full-auto crossbows
- Silly String Of Death!
- A crazed, one-eyed villain leading a troupe of retarded brigands, who is prone to overacting that makes William Shatner look like Dirk Bogarde:
[video=youtube_share;f_qFGcC6XHc]https://youtu.be/f_qFGcC6XHc?t=4m9s[/youtube]
SEE HOW IT GLOOOOOOWWWWWS!It's such a great part of my homemade setting that I can't imagine running my campaign without it.
Quote from: DavetheLost;1001629"Waterworld" could make a fun setting for a post apocalyptic game. Cobine it with "Planet of the Sharks" for extra bite.
DavetheLost, you might want to check out Blue Planet: https://www.biohazardgamespublishing.com/blueplanet/
Allan.
So you want bad 80's movies? OK, no shortage of those...
Space hunter: adventures in the forbidden zone. What's forbidden in the forbidden zone? Good film making, apparently. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacehunter:_Adventures_in_the_Forbidden_Zone
Metalstorm: The destruction of Jared Synn. Who the fuck is Jared synn? I dunno but they made a ghawdawful movie about destroying him that had enough crap in it to fill out a cheap indie RPG. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalstorm:_The_Destruction_of_Jared-Syn
Battle beyond the stars. Great cheap star wars ripoff made by roger corman, sort of an honorary bad movie. Stars Cybil danning's giant tits and a starship with giant tits. Also has the man from UNCLE and john boy Walton. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Beyond_the_Stars
How does a starship have giant tits? Here!
Transformers, probably.
Push
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465580/
It's got stilted dialog, hackneyed plotting, and poor pacing, but it actually has a pretty promising, self-consistent, and intriguing setting that would work fine for a "psychic conspiracy" type of game.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465580/
It's got stilted dialog, hackneyed plotting, and poor pacing, but it actually has a pretty promising, self-consistent, and intriguing setting that would work fine for a "psychic conspiracy" type of game.
Good one!
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465580/
It's got stilted dialog, hackneyed plotting, and poor pacing, but it actually has a pretty promising, self-consistent, and intriguing setting that would work fine for a "psychic conspiracy" type of game.
Oh, definitely. That a movie that is a poor meal made from good ingredients.
Speaking of which, Season of the Witch (2011) is a spiritual successor/remake of The Seventh Seal (1957). It takes the same ingredients of tSS (which is often considered one of the best films of the 20th century), and creates a violently mediocre film (any time Nicholas Cage is criticized for being simply dull and boring, you know there is a problem). Still, if you take a bit of the Seventh Seal back into the general universe of SotW, it could make a very interesting game setting.
Equinox [which had Fritz Leiber as Dr Waterman], Food of the Gods, Day of the Animals, Psychomania, there is a really long list.
Quote from: danskmacabre;1001626I don't care what a rating site says. I've seen it recently as well and it's god awful.
Perhaps what's propped up the rating is it's achieved a sort of cult status over the years.
Try actually watching the movie and tell me it's not a bad movie.
I don't really understand why Krull should be regarded as worse than other fantasy movies aimed primarily at children. I guess it takes itself more seriously than most, except for the incompetent wizard. There's cheesiness and there's several very cool bits. Lysette Anthony does a notably good job as the captive princess standing up to the Beast. Lots of good British actors in early roles.
'She' by contrast I found unwatchably bad.
Quote from: S'mon;1001734I don't really understand why Krull should be regarded as worse than other fantasy movies aimed primarily at children. I guess it takes itself more seriously than most, except for the incompetent wizard. There's cheesiness and there's several very cool bits. Lysette Anthony does a notably good job as the captive princess standing up to the Beast. Lots of good British actors in early roles.
'She' by contrast I found unwatchably bad.
Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. You don't think it's a bad movie? That's great. I DO think it's a bad movie. I still had a laugh watching it it tho.
I thought the acting was awful, the plot full of holes, really cheesy in general and for those reasons it was a fun watch (well off and on if I'm doing something else too)... Seems I've hit a raw nerve with this movie.. :D
Are there worse movies? Sure there are..
Quote from: danskmacabre;1001749Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. You don't think it's a bad movie? That's great. I DO think it's a bad movie. I still had a laugh watching it it tho.
I thought the acting was awful, the plot full of holes, really cheesy in general and for those reasons it was a fun watch (well off and on if I'm doing something else too)... Seems I've hit a raw nerve with this movie.. :D
Yeah, I agree it's a matter of taste. And it may be more popular in the UK; it's almost as British as Hawk the Slayer, although Hawk's tone is much lower-fantasy. I liked how Krull blended SF and medieval fantasy like Wilderlands and such. I did think the pacing felt off at times. There was lots of good acting IMO from eg the bandit gang, many of them future stars, and some wooden. The overall tone and message felt quite pre-Modern, with the Prince & Princess deriving power & righteousness from their inheritance & their vows. I like how the Beast seemed a fairly heavy handed representation of male sexuality threatening the pure, captive princess, a very fairytale Beauty & the Beast theme.
I guess when I think really-bad-movies that are fun, I think straight to video stuff like (two I have on DVD) 'She' and 'The Warrior & the Sorceress', also 'Barbarian Queen' etc. And 'Deathstalker' except I like it too much!
Quote from: S'mon;1001750Yeah, I agree it's a matter of taste. And it may be more popular in the UK;
I'm British actually and lived many years in the UK. Although I live in Australia now.
It IS seen with a certain fondness in the UK and I've watched it with friends in the UK (my tabletop RPG friends in the UK mostly) on evenings of watching trashy movies and drinking beer etc.
Quote from: S'mon;1001750it's almost as British as Hawk the Slayer, although Hawk's tone is much lower-fantasy.
I actually PREFER Hawk the Slayer... It's even more trashy and cheap, but it feels even more like DnD than Krull and has a certain gritty mood to it.
But again, the feeling I have and get from people I chat to about it in RL is that it's a trashy, but fun movie and certainly a movie of it's time.
Quote from: S'mon;1001750I guess when I think really-bad-movies that are fun, I think straight to video stuff like (two I have on DVD) 'She' and 'The Warrior & the Sorceress', also 'Barbarian Queen' etc. And 'Deathstalker' except I like it too much!
Well, the Conan movies were mentioned in this thread and were pretty big budget movies of their time (I.E. not straight to Video), especially the first Conan movie. I wouldn't even see the First Conan movie as "Really bad", Actually IMO it's a pretty darn good movie. Certainly better than the latest iteration of Conan.
Now of course that's MY opinion... Others may feel different and that's ok.
I suppose I don't really MIND getting into a debate about whether Krull was a bad movie or not, but it really wasn't the purpose of this thread. One person's trash is another's treasure really.
This clip still cracks me up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4TX6x2WLgk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4TX6x2WLgk)
My education as an amateur bad movie connoisseur seems to be paying off finally.
Abraxas
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if you go by a certain cringey scene, your character will probably need a NAMBLA stat of some sort.
Valroiran and the city of tomorrow.
Jupiter Rising.
Tomorrow land.
Pirates of the Caribbean.
The secret of NYIM
fast and the furious.
The Mummy 3: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor. Took the halfways-plausible and fun adventure setting from the first two movies and dialed it up to 11, with disastrous results. The bright side is that it would be just gonzo enough for a fairly fleshed-out, if somewhat gonzo/ridiculous, campaign.
Quote from: Headless;1001765Pirates of the Caribbean.
The secret of NYIM
The first
Pirates of the Caribbean is pretty universally applauded...do you mean the awful sequels?
And that's
NIMH.
I love the fuck outta Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone. It's very eighties style of junkheap pulp space-opera really appeals to me.
I would love to play in a game where the PCs are space marines in the universe of every low-budget Alien rip-off ever made. Something like a much gorier, less intellegent, horror take on Space: Above and Beyond.
The wild world of Japanese exploitation movies is a rich, untapped vein for gonzo gaming. Two games have tried, with only marginal success at best: the interesting story-game Panty Explosion and the universally-loathed Black Tokyo.
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1001917I would love to play in a game where the PCs are space marines in the universe of every low-budget Alien rip-off ever made. Something like a much gorier, less intellegent, horror take on Space: Above and Beyond.
Isn't that basically
3:16 Carnage Amongst the Stars?
Miami Connection.
[video=youtube_share;oVtyOwcQo-w]https://youtu.be/oVtyOwcQo-w[/youtube]
I must investigate this 3:16 Carnage Among the Stars.
The thing that's so awesome about Miami Connection is the sheer adolescent joy of it. I don't know what the filming of it was really like, but watching it you get the feeling those guys bounded out bed each morning screaming "Let's go make a ninja movie!!! Whooo! Whooo!!! Fuck yeah!!! We're makin' a ninja movie!!!".
Lucio Fulci's Conquest. Part Clash of the Titans, part Conan, part Quest for Fire, and liberally seasoned with Italian Horror. The effects are dated, but I'm pretty fond of this film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085356/
I'm going with bad = low budget because I actually really like these movies, but Hell comes to Frogtown, They Live and Hardware. The first two star Roddy Piper and are just awesome, the last has some issues, basically turning into one of those "the caller is in the house" movies with a robot, but it has great atmosphere.
All three would be great settings for Post Apocalypse / decaying future society games.
I really love They Live and Hardware (even has an Iggy Pop voice cameo). Great settings for sure. You could probably add Nemesis to that, though I think this Terminator rip off is better than it gets credit for.
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1002101I must investigate this 3:16 Carnage Among the Stars.
The thing that's so awesome about Miami Connection is the sheer adolescent joy of it. I don't know what the filming of it was really like, but watching it you get the feeling those guys bounded out bed each morning screaming "Let's go make a ninja movie!!! Whooo! Whooo!!! Fuck yeah!!! We're makin' a ninja movie!!!".
Yeah it is straight up endearing.
Escape from New York.
The Walking Dead (which I am so sick of now)
Avatar. Actually either the last Airbender of Dances with giant blue kitty people.
(I'm added movies I want to play, not necessarily bad movoes.)
Quote from: Headless;1002448Escape from New York.
The Walking Dead (which I am so sick of now)
You too, huh?
If you're sick TWD try reading World war Z.
All I really ever wanted out of D&D was to be able to play Hawk the Slayer. So, that.
Quote from: urbwar;1001522The Archer, aka Fugitive from the Empire, Sword & The Sorcerer, Battle Beyond the Stars
I must admit to still loving (and having both on DVD) Archer: Fugitive from the Empire and The Sword & the Sorcerer. I was just thinking I needed to incorporate those snakemen from the former into my D&D game.
Quote from: Headless;1002448Escape from New York.
Gotta love that one, too.
Quote from: Herne's Son;1002456All I really ever wanted out of D&D was to be able to play Hawk the Slayer. So, that.
Pretty much.
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Who wouldn't want to play in this postapocalyptic wonderland?
I remember that one! Vaguely. So like Hawk the Slayer, probably better in my mind than it would be if I revisited. :)
-Killer Clowns from Outer Space
-Phantasm series of movies
-Anything by John Carpenter
-Battle Beyond the STars
-Cherry 2000 (thank you for making me feel old lol)
-Defcon 5
-War Games
-Damnation Alley
https://youtu.be/zYMtkfz1o4Q
https://youtu.be/l7__-xqVrAs
Cemetery Man is the title in english
-the universe from the George Romero movies.
Quote from: DavetheLost;1001629"Waterworld" could make a fun setting for a post apocalyptic game. Cobine it with "Planet of the Sharks" for extra bite.
I've always thought that the best way to watch Waterworld is as a fairy tale. Our female protagonist essentially 'summons' our hero in one scene. Because if I watch it through the lens of science-fiction I just spend two hours laughing.
Quote from: Caesar Slaad;1001693Push
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465580/
It's got stilted dialog, hackneyed plotting, and poor pacing, but it actually has a pretty promising, self-consistent, and intriguing setting that would work fine for a "psychic conspiracy" type of game.
Totally agree. It was fun and so promising. A better setting than a film really.
I suggest Death Race 2000 (the original) and Death Race 2050 which is filmed as though it was made as a cheap sci-fi film of the 80s.
Quote from: darthfozzywig;1002466I must admit to still loving (and having both on DVD) Archer: Fugitive from the Empire and The Sword & the Sorcerer. I was just thinking I needed to incorporate those snakemen from the former into my D&D game.
I've been trying to track down a copy of Archer: Fugitive From the Empire for years now. Any idea where I could score a copy?
Quote from: Herne's Son;1002525I've been trying to track down a copy of Archer: Fugitive From the Empire for years now. Any idea where I could score a copy?
Amazon has non-US, PAL 2 region coded dvd's from Germany. Just search for archer fugitive from the empire
Star Wars. And I'm serious.
The original Death Race 2000 so many fond memories of that terrible B-movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGhu5Zl5ry8
Too bad the update did not have this kind of humour in it.
Quote from: Herne's Son;1002525I've been trying to track down a copy of Archer: Fugitive From the Empire for years now. Any idea where I could score a copy?
I think I got my copy at GenCon several years ago from this guy: http://warshows.com/
It's not listed there, though, so either I'm mistaken or he's out. Might be worth contacting him - he has a knack for turning up quasi-legal DVDs.
Battlefield Earth.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1002619Star Wars. And I'm serious.
A New Hope specifically?
The expendables! How could we have missed that one.
I think some people are stretching the definition of bad to mean "mediocre" or "didn't perform well at the box office." Death Race 2000 is by no means a bad movie. It's awesome.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1002619Star Wars. And I'm serious.
Revenge of the Sith, with it's massive epic battles and melodrama that makes a Cambodian soap opera look subtle, would have been a fucking hoot to play in as an RPG campaign.
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1002953Revenge of the Sith, with it's massive epic battles and melodrama that makes a Cambodian soap opera look subtle, would have been a fucking hoot to play in as an RPG campaign.
My son turns 8 tomorrow and loves the light saber battle on the volcano planet. So they managed to hit the bullseye as far as the target audience for Star Wars goes!
Battle Beyond the Stars was the first thing that came to mind.
Quote from: Dumarest;1002919I think some people are stretching the definition of bad to mean "mediocre" or "didn't perform well at the box office." Death Race 2000 is by no means a bad movie. It's awesome.
I am stretching "bad" to mean what I want it too.
I'd have fun running a session in EQUILIBRIUM (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/)'s world.
Defining a bad movie is easy : if the bad guys wear motorcycle helmets, it's a bad movie.
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Quote from: kobayashi;1003688I'd have fun running a session in EQUILIBRIUM (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/)'s world.
Defining a bad movie is easy : if the bad guys wear motorcycle helmets, it's a bad movie.
Heck, if the
good guys wear motorcycle helmets, it's probably a bad movie.
Jabberwocky. (Not a Monty python film BTW.)
Quote from: Schwartzwald;1003952Jabberwocky. (Not a Monty python film BTW.)
It's not bad either.
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And it's on youtube! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx559tdq_ZM)
Quote from: Dumarest;1003951Heck, if the good guys wear motorcycle helmets, it's probably a bad movie.
Then I nominate The Wraith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith), where the Wraith spends most of the movie in a black 'Stig' suit to hide the fact that Charlie Sheen was only on set for like 2-3 days.
Why not some of the bad movies that actually were part of the background of D&D?
"The Vikings" with Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis. The best part is Earnest Borgnine having WAY too much fun as Ragnar the Viking Chief.
"The Long Ships" with Richard Widmark and Sidney Poitier. "De Long Sheeps!"
"Prince Valiant" with Robert Wagner in a pageboy wig.
"Black Shield of Falworth" isn't bad so much as corny. Tony Curtis does NOT say "Yonda lies the castle of my faddah!"
"The Talisman." Watch Robert Preston having a lark as Saladin in a chop up of a Walter Scott tale.
"The Magic Sword" has dragons, wizards, magic armor and weapons, and of course the Magic Sword. What it doesn't have is a script, acting, or directing.
"The Warriors" with Errol Flynn in his last movie role as Edward the Black Prince. Alan Hale Sr. is there as always, this time as Sir John Chandos.
"The Raven." This one isn't bad, but it's camp as hell with Vincent Price and Peter Lorrie in a movie that shaped a lot of the spells in D&D. As a special bonus see Jack Nicholson in his first ever movie role, prancing around in tights.
Shoot, I know all of those. Now I'm going to watch them again. I wonder how many are readily available.
Fuck this board. Goddam typed a long reply and this fucked up board lost it! Lemme guess, sjw fasicsts and feminazi hackers, right?
Anyway, an Italian director created a 4 movie set called the "gamma one series" set around a station called "gamma one". They also took place on earth and various alien planets. The movies were horribly done and the English dub didn't help. Still they had a certain grand vision the budget didn't really cover. So they give a variety of settings to use.
https://2warpstoneptune.com/2013/02/18/what-the-future-looked-like-antonio-margheritis-gamma-one-quadrilogy-1965-1967/
There was another spaghetti sf movie made called " battle of the worlds" with Claude rains that looks, sounds, feels and acts like a gamma one movie so you can add it in too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Worlds
Also the more well known movie "green slime" was written as a fifth gamma one movie but was picked up and made by another studio with an international cast. Even with a bigger budget it was quite bad but entertaining. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Slime
So why base a RPG on one bad movie when you can have 6?:D
Back in the 1960s the Italian film industry made a ton of cheapie "Sword and Sandal" movies. Later on they got (poorly) dubbed, bundled together, and shipped over to the US as the "Sons of Hercules" series, complete with cheesy music. Some of them are on Youtube, and the beginning and ending music definitely is.
Quote from: urbwar;1003973And it's on youtube! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx559tdq_ZM)
No ones gonna take it down, no one wants to take responsibility for making it!
Oh, yeah! Another movie to watch is "Alexander Nevsky." It's not really bad, it's just a bit odd; much like 19th century Bel Canto opera, the movie assumes everybody knows the story and the film is the "good parts" version.
I liked the movie when I was young, but I know it's a bad movie:
Critters. The good guys are faceless alien bounty hunters that happen to take the semblance of a hillbilly yokel and a hair metal rock star. Not too much to steal from this universe, but definitely something you can steal and combine with a more robust setting.
The Final Sacrifice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Sacrifice) is a 1990 movie that is only really notable for being a Mystery Science Theater 3000 subject and being worth studying if you're taking a film class because the production value is actually pretty spectacular given that the whole film was made for $1500. However, it has a great cheesy aesthetic that I'd love to port to a deliberately campy adventure.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1004115Oh, yeah! Another movie to watch is "Alexander Nevsky." It's not really bad, it's just a bit odd; much like 19th century Bel Canto opera, the movie assumes everybody knows the story and the film is the "good parts" version.
Uh, that's a classic of Russian cinema. Hardly a bad movie.
Quote from: Dumarest;1004188Uh, that's a classic of Russian cinema. Hardly a bad movie.
Yes it is a classic. But it's structured more like an opera than a documentary, is my point.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1004046"The Vikings" with Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis. The best part is Earnest Borgnine having WAY too much fun as Ragnar the Viking Chief.
No kidding. His final scene is badass, and makes the movie worth watching.
Quote from: darthfozzywig;1004212no kidding. His final scene is badass, and makes the movie worth watching.
Odiiiiiiin!!
I just want to go on record here by stating that Krull, Sword & the Sorcerer and Willow are really GOOD movies. This has been scientifically proven.
Now carry on.
Quote from: JeremyR;1001455Krull has a 6.1 rating at IMDB...it's not Citizen Kane, but it's hardly a really bad movie.
It's pretty bad.
It's also pretty awesome.
That Glaive weapon blew my mind as a kid. I do, at this point, realize the complete impracticality of such a weapon, but it has the Rule of Cool going for it.
Quote from: Thornhammer;1004311That Glaive weapon blew my mind as a kid. I do, at this point, realize the complete impracticality of such a weapon, but it has the Rule of Cool going for it.
I assumed the fancy spinny knive thing was some sort of advanced magic/technology... not JUST a spinny knife thing.
I loved playing the Krull video game way back
Quote from: Schwartzwald;1004068Fuck this board. Goddam typed a long reply and this fucked up board lost it! Lemme guess, sjw fasicsts and feminazi hackers, right?
The fault is not caused by the RPGSite. It is not actually the BBS Software fault. It's the web browser fault. Same deal here, yesterday I lost about two hours writing the
Bladerunner post. I had eight pages typed in, and the browser general memory chuffed and lost everything, including a automatic backup it was supposed to perform, so I went about to finding the actual source of the problem and filed a bug report & trouble ticket with Firefox/Mozilla. Turns out there is a fault with the way that the web browser handles memory, and if it crashes, sometimes everything stored in RAM memory that you are in the process of working on (That hasn't actually been sent to the RPGsite yet) is lost when the browser recovers because of the way the browser handles the file that is open and being worked on.
Anyway re-typed the
Bladerunner article then re-posted it, then one of the Mozilla code team emailed me with instructions for creating a new trouble ticket. I have also requested access to the Mozilla Codebase, so I could submit a patch to fix the memory problem (Basically, I don't care about the problem, I want to write a special save function that saves whatever I'm working on every five minutes or so, that I can use to copy/paste into a new post if the browser takes a dump). They want the trouble ticket, so they can put a team on fixing the crash problem permanently.
I basically requested permission to patch their web browser, or fork it, so I can create a more fault tolerant browser. This is a work-in-progress and If I end up patching the Mozilla code to add a new auto-save function, or forking the entire codebase out of GitHub and creating a new web browser, I'll post an update into this thread. I already know how to fork the codebase and build a new browser without asking their permission, however would rather work with them to solve the problem first, rather then work in competition with them.
Also, I totally liked the sword/blade launcher in
Sword & The Sorcerer. I'm pretty sure I want to run a cheesy game in
"The Land that Time Forgot" complete with scientists, dinosaurs,U-boats, and Nazis.
If I am going to write an involved post, I switch to a notepad program. It'd be nice if it were unnecessary, so best of luck to GameDaddy.
Wild Wild West would be a great RPG setting in my opinion.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1004442Wild Wild West would be a great RPG setting in my opinion.
Hell yeah. TV show or movie.
The movie might have been better if the booger-eating moron in charge of publicity hadn't put the "big reveal" -- that is, the mechanical spider -- ON THE FUCKING MOVIE POSTER.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1004452Hell yeah. TV show or movie.
The movie might have been better if the booger-eating moron in charge of publicity hadn't put the "big reveal" -- that is, the mechanical spider -- ON THE FUCKING MOVIE POSTER.
Or even if it just didn't suck in every conceivable way and have Will Smith in it.
I enjoy Wild Wild West unironically. I even saw the movie in the theater when I was six years old back in 1999. Dad took me and my two younger brothers to the Cinemall in Abingdon, VA and we later went to the Bristol Mall after we saw the movie, as Bristol is a short drive from Abingdon. We even played Lethal Enforcers II in the theater's arcade.
Quote from: Dumarest;1004463Or even if it just didn't suck in every conceivable way and have Will Smith in it.
Shrug. I paid attention; obviously there was supposed to be a mystery in why all these scientists and engineers were being kidnapped. If I were the scriptwriter I'd be pissed.
As I said, "might have."
Quote from: SgtSpaceWizard;1002106Lucio Fulci's Conquest. Part Clash of the Titans, part Conan, part Quest for Fire, and liberally seasoned with Italian Horror. The effects are dated, but I'm pretty fond of this film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085356/
Funny enough, I found this on Shout Factory tv. I have it on my roku, but checked their website, and you can watch it free here (http://www.shoutfactorytv.com/videos?utf8=%E2%9C%93&commit=submit&q=conquest)
Since several movies already mentioned have appeared on MST3k, how about the weird Russo-Finnish films they riffed? I especially liked the the Sword and the Dragon and the Day the Earth Froze. Always wanted to give out a sampo as a magic item and watch my players go "a whaaaaat?"
Shadow of the Hawk with Jan Michael Vincent as a Medicine Man having to fight an evil Native American witch.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1004046"The Long Ships" with Richard Widmark and Sidney Poitier. "De Long Sheeps!"
Love the Mare of Steel. So over the top ridiculous/cool.
Ginger Snaps
https://g.co/kgs/agNQFr
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1004132Not too much to steal from this universe, but definitely something you can steal and combine with a more robust setting.
As a general rule I find all these movies, tv shows etc are best mashed up to create something new, the way D&D did it.
Quote from: Schwartzwald;1004068Also the more well known movie "green slime" was written as a fifth gamma one movie but was picked up and made by another studio with an international cast. Even with a bigger budget it was quite bad but entertaining. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Slime
And its the inspiration for the classic boardgame The Awful Green Things From Outer Space (http://www.warehouse23.com/products/the-awful-green-things-from-outer-space).
Quote from: Big Andy;1004778Since several movies already mentioned have appeared on MST3k, how about the weird Russo-Finnish films they riffed? I especially liked the the Sword and the Dragon and the Day the Earth Froze. Always wanted to give out a sampo as a magic item and watch my players go "a whaaaaat?"
I think much of, if not most of the MST3K library is good for goofy-gonzo world-building. I doubt there are any that you couldn't mine for idea. I recently had an arena battle where people fought on platform-sidecar motorcycles, straight out of
Sidehackers, where the sidecar occupant freeing themselves from combat in time to lean into or out of a curve gave serious advantage to the driver's checks. I'm sure I'll find a spot for Megaweapon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrior_of_the_Lost_World)sooner or later too.
The Wizard of the Lost Kingdom episodes of the new MST3K are hilarious.
Pretty much any Steven Seagal movie is great material for a shoot-em-up, punch-em-out kind of game. For a long time I named all my characters in Merc:2000 and Phoenix Command after the roles "acted" by Steve Seagal.
Quote from: Elfdart;1005037Pretty much any Steven Seagal movie is great material for a shoot-em-up, punch-em-out kind of game. For a long time I named all my characters in Merc:2000 and Phoenix Command after the roles "acted" by Steve Seagal.
Hey now, Casey Ryback, Nico Toscani, Forrest Taft, and Orin Boyd are all COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS! The nuances of his performances are just too subtle for some audiences. I mean, compare the blank expression of Casey Ryback with the deadpan look of Forrest Taft, or the emotionless countenance of Orin Boyd with the neutral gaze of Nico Toscani! That's some serious range, running the gamut from A to B!
Also, he managed to marry
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Quote from: Dumarest;1005057Hey now, Casey Ryback, Nico Toscani, Forrest Taft, and Orin Boyd are all COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS! The nuances of his performances are just too subtle for some audiences. I mean, compare the blank expression of Casey Ryback with the deadpan look of Forrest Taft, or the emotionless countenance of Orin Boyd with the neutral gaze of Nico Toscani! That's some serious range, running the gamut from A to B!
Also, he managed to marry
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Funny you mention her (ROWR!) but forgot his most impressive role -that of Mason Storm in
Hard To Kill. Who else could have played a guy in a coma for seven years better than Seagal? Oh and topped the delivery in this scene:
[video=youtube;GgBrYX-5sK8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgBrYX-5sK8[/youtube]
"Comma cut my heart out!"
I love those old Segal films too bad he became such a self-parody.
Haven't seen Hard to Kill .
One of his best!
Iron Sky would make an awesome RPG.
Actually I enjoyed the hell out of that one, but apparently some people consider it a "bad movie" for some reason.
Quote from: Xavier Onassiss;1005686Iron Sky would make an awesome RPG.
Actually I enjoyed the hell out of that one, but apparently some people consider it a "bad movie" for some reason.
I quite enjoyed it as well. According to the IMDB they are making a sequel that takes place twenty years after and involves the Hollow Earth and Lizard People.
Rutger Hauer's Split Second (1992)
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1005721Rutger Hauer's Split Second (1992)
Has anyone nominated Blood of Heroes yet?
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I remember seeing this on VHS...a super hero musical with Alan Arkin vs. Christopher Lee...I seem to recall the composer of Rocky Horror did the songs! I have the DVD...must watch again!
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I remember seeing this on VHS...a super hero musical with Alan Arkin vs. Christopher Lee...I seem to recall the composer of Rocky Horror did the songs! I have the DVD...must watch again!
The songs were great!
Long before the dawn of Time
There was Evil, doing fine!
Quote from: Xavier Onassiss;1005686Iron Sky would make an awesome RPG.
Actually I enjoyed the hell out of that one, but apparently some people consider it a "bad movie" for some reason.
Quote from: Tetsubo;1005717I quite enjoyed it as well. According to the IMDB they are making a sequel that takes place twenty years after and involves the Hollow Earth and Lizard People.
I am really looking forward to that one. Turns out there's also an
Iron Sky RPG in the works!
I had never heard of that movie before (the superhero one). Sounds awful.
Speaking of 1980's fantasy movies, what about the Heavy Metal cartoon? That has a number of interesting sci-fi/fantasy settings within it.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1006415I had never heard of that movie before (the superhero one). Sounds awful.
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I know about it only because Terry Pratchett referenced it as a guilty pleasure of his.
It's just unbelievable this isn't better known.
Lair of the White Worm has everything an adventure needs:
Hidden caves, tunnels and ancient ruins
A giant dragon/snake thing
A cult of snake/vampire people who worship the Worm and carry out human sacrifice
[video=youtube;G-tKilB6t-s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-tKilB6t-s[/youtube]
There was a bad American remake of a Japanese horror movie (Kairo) called Pulse, which basically postulated someone contacted the realm of the dead via a computer science experiment, and thus the spirits of the pissed-off dead invaded all human cities through technology. This left camps of survivors forced to use low-tech (say WW2-esque) equipment if anything at all.
I always thought that this was the perfect setup for an RPG of the resistance vs. the dead in a different sort of post-apocalypse setting.
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454919/?ref_=nv_sr_1)
Quote from: Sergeant Brother;1006470Speaking of 1980's fantasy movies, what about the Heavy Metal cartoon? That has a number of interesting sci-fi/fantasy settings within it.
Taarna is basically Arzach, which I think partially inspired Numenera. I have a novelization of Arzach on my shelf, I should read it again sometime.
Quote from: Atsuku Nare;1008936There was a bad American remake of...
Off-topic, but has there ever been a
good American remake?
Quote from: Dumarest;1009164Off-topic, but has there ever been a good American remake?
That could be an interesting discussion but please take to media forum.
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1009165That could be an interesting discussion but please take to media forum.
You're getting over the top with this stuff. This entire thread might as well be in the media forum. Happy Thanksgiving .
Quote from: Dumarest;1009166You're getting over the top with this stuff. This entire thread might as well be in the media forum. Happy Thanksgiving .
I don't think I am modding on this front any differently than I have in the past. If you feel my moderation is not on point here, or has shifted, feel free to raise concern in the help desk or point it out to Pundit.
Not positive because we didn't get more than twenty minutes in, but The Great Wall (recent flick with Matt Damon) might fit the bill. Wuxia, western visitors, divers cultures and crazy demon, alien, monster swarms.
A few animated films come to mind:
Rock and Rule
Fire and Ice
Wizards
Has anyone mentioned the looney ZARDOZ yet?
Quote from: Voros;1009258Has anyone mentioned the looney ZARDOZ yet?
This guy does a bunch of interesting film analyses, inc Zardoz - [video=youtube;SiMe_TYgn1c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMe_TYgn1c[/youtube]
Gary Gygax LOVED Zardoz.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1009492Gary Gygax LOVED Zardoz.
What's not to love?
1980s Flash Gordon?
Quote from: RPGPundit;10098041980s Flash Gordon?
There's a new kickstarter for a Flash Gordon RPG, which features one of the actors (I think) writing a prologue for it, I think the system is Savage Worlds? So I guess someone had the same idea?
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1009811There's a new kickstarter for a Flash Gordon RPG, which features one of the actors (I think) writing a prologue for it, I think the system is Savage Worlds? So I guess someone had the same idea?
Savage Worlds Slipstream setting uses many tropes from the 1980 Flash Gordon, and is overall very nicely done, keeping the tone much better than other efforts in the genre.
Pretty much ANY bad movie would make a great RPG setting, as long as by "bad" we mean "cheesy."
Quote from: RPGPundit;10098041980s Flash Gordon?
...is in no way a bad movie. It's like "what if Star Wars were made for grownups?"
Quote from: Dumarest;1009879...is in no way a bad movie. It's like "what if Star Wars were made for grownups?"
Oh, come on. I loved that movie, but tongue is firmly in cheek. Well, not in the script, but in the way the actors took Max von Sydow's advice and decided to camp it up by playing it utterly straight faced.
"I had to torture your daughter. Interesting girl. I think she rather enjoyed it."
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1009899Oh, come on. I loved that movie, but tongue is firmly in cheek. Well, not in the script, but in the way the actors took Max von Sydow's advice and decided to camp it up by playing it utterly straight faced.
"I had to torture your daughter. Interesting girl. I think she rather enjoyed it."
It's a classic schlock film and one of my top ten of all time. Mr. von Sydow makes the film for me.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1009899"I had to torture your daughter. Interesting girl. I think she rather enjoyed it."
I think that quote lends support to Dumarest's appraisal. Being for 'grownups' doesn't mean it can't be tongue in cheek.
On topic, I could see building a campaign around the Gamma One movies...
Wild Wild Planet,
Snow Devils,
War of the Planets, and (unofficially)
The Green Slime. All of them bad, but entertaining... and full of cheazo late-60s scifi vibe.
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Somone has to have mentioned LOGAN'S RUN right?
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I think I've watched that film a hundred times. And just not for Jenny Agutter.
Right, you also watch it for Farrah Fawcett.
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Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1009899Oh, come on. I loved that movie, but tongue is firmly in cheek. Well, not in the script, but in the way the actors took Max von Sydow's advice and decided to camp it up by playing it utterly straight faced.
"I had to torture your daughter. Interesting girl. I think she rather enjoyed it."
Exactly, it's appreciated by grownups who understand how silly these movies are to begin with, unlike (for example) Star Wars with its dull earnestness.
Quote from: Dumarest;1009965Right, you also watch it for Farrah Fawcett.
In general, yes, but that picture looks like she's seriously re-evaluating the life decisions which lead her to be there that day. :D
Quote from: Dumarest;1009967Exactly, it's appreciated by grownups who understand how silly these movies are to begin with, unlike (for example) Star Wars with its dull earnestness.
Movie 1: actors take a ridiculous premise and play it utterly straight, and it is understanding how silly these movies are to begin with.
Movie 2: actors take a ridiculous premise and play it utterly straight, and it is dull earnestness.
I frankly enjoy Flash Gordon better than ANH, but I'm at a loss when trying to see any real functional difference.
Quote from: Willie the Duck;1010014In general, yes, but that picture looks like she's seriously re-evaluating the life decisions which lead her to be there that day. :D
Movie 1: actors take a ridiculous premise and play it utterly straight, and it is understanding how silly these movies are to begin with.
Movie 2: actors take a ridiculous premise and play it utterly straight, and it is dull earnestness.
I frankly enjoy Flash Gordon better than ANH, but I'm at a loss when trying to see any real functional difference.
Yeah, Luke Skywalker grabbing the princess under one arm and swinging on a rope across a bottomless chasm is so earnest and dull.
Anybody mentioned Orgasmo yet? https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/orgazmo/ (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/orgazmo/)
On a side note, and also with reference towards doing a genre not done before, I am genuinely surprised that nobody has ever sought to license South Park as a RPG setting. Think about it, it could really work!
Quote from: TrippyHippy;1010089Anybody mentioned Orgasmo yet? https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/orgazmo/ (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/orgazmo/)
On a side note, and also with reference towards doing a genre not done before, I am genuinely surprised that nobody has ever sought to license South Park as a RPG setting. Think about it, it could really work!
Shut your fucking mouth, unclefucker!
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1009899Oh, come on. I loved that movie, but tongue is firmly in cheek. Well, not in the script, but in the way the actors took Max von Sydow's advice and decided to camp it up by playing it utterly straight faced.
"I had to torture your daughter. Interesting girl. I think she rather enjoyed it."
Lorenzo Semple (RIP) deliberately wrote it to be over-the-top silly. I'm pretty sure one of the reasons he got the job was because he was the main writer for the Batman TV show with Adam West (by far the best version of Batman). He said in an interview that at first De Laurentiis wanted a more straight-ahead action/space adventure, but once Star Wars came out, that was scrapped.*
Anyway, my two favorite parts of Flash Gordon were Peter Wyngarde as Klytus ("An obscure body known as the planet... Uuuuuuth!") and Timothy Dalton saying this line with a straight face:
[video=youtube;m4iu3VbexYw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4iu3VbexYw[/youtube]
The football fight scene always cracked me up because you could tell Flash really played for the Jets: He was doing OK at first, but you just knew it would end badly.
[video=youtube;rAp57G1hLn0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAp57G1hLn0[/youtube]
* Originally, George Lucas wanted to make Flash Gordon after THX-1138, but he was turned down and had to create his own space opera.
Quote from: Dumarest;1009967Exactly, it's appreciated by grownups who understand how silly these movies are to begin with, unlike (for example) Star Wars with its dull earnestness.
You're dumb.
Quote from: Elfdart;1010154You're dumb.
Not compared to you.
I don't think SW was initally that earnest, until perhaps the unuccessful end of Return of the Jedi. But a lot of SW fans certainly treated it with an undue amount of earnestness.
Quote from: Voros;1010325I don't think SW was initally that earnest, until perhaps the unuccessful end of Return of the Jedi. But a lot of SW fans certainly treated it with an undue amount of earnestness.
The first film especially had a lot of humour, but most of it was in-universe humour that didn't remind the viewer they were watching a film.
A south-park style RPG might be good...
The 1981 Moonie-funded film Inchon, one of the worst films ever made (so bad that it was never officially released on either VHS or DVD, I had to watch it bootleg on YouTube) is a guilty pleasure of mine, and it makes me wish we had a Korean War RPG in print.
Preferably something OSR like Operation White Box, but set in the Korean War instead of WWII.
If I were to ever make such a game, I would keep the corebook at least semi-grounded in history, but also do a companion book that would include options for a "Weird War" style approach and include Soviet Superscience, Aliens, and other zany 1950's B-Movie antics.
If I were to make this style of game, it'd be like M.A.S.H meets OD&D with a side of Call of Duty.
While neither bad nor a movie really, it hit me over the weekend while watching the cartoon tv version of Grinch that Stole Christmas that the Seuss universe would make an awesome setting.