Quote from: Trinculoisdead on December 19, 2021, 02:13:06 PM

Quote from: Pat on December 19, 2021, 02:07:10 PM

Quote from: Trinculoisdead on December 19, 2021, 02:34:25 AM
Yeah you don't need all those steps to ensure a fair and good forum. Just "No politics" can work, as in a place like RPGPub.

The insistence that everything is political is one of the key factors behind the decline of online and now offline discourse.

This is very true. Fortunately, the statement that "everything is political" is covered by the No Politics rule.

You're oppressing me! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Quote from: Pat on December 19, 2021, 02:07:10 PM

Quote from: Trinculoisdead on December 19, 2021, 02:34:25 AM
Yeah you don't need all those steps to ensure a fair and good forum. Just "No politics" can work, as in a place like RPGPub.

The insistence that everything is political is one of the key factors behind the decline of online and now offline discourse.

This is very true.

Quote from: JohnnyTurbo on December 19, 2021, 01:26:34 PMThe problem with that is the left will invade and implement their own rules that would turn you a "fascist" or some other leftist slur.

That happens because the mods become more leftist over time. 'Stamping them out' doesn't help because progressives will be disengenous given the requirement, and will sneak in and turn the controls in their favor.
Progressives do not dominate free speech platforms. They dominate protected ones. If you cannot defend a free speech platform, you will not defend a protected one, or it will be so insular it will just be a impotent echo chamber.

Id say most people cannot still defuse or have developed the language for countering progressive dialectics. You do not develop those in a echo chamber.

Quote from: Pat on December 19, 2021, 02:07:10 PMThe insistence that everything is political is one of the key factors behind the decline of online and now offline discourse.

This is one of those examples of upreparedness. Everything is political, everything is just not MEANINGFULLY political. Like there is cianide in the air, just not in meaningful quantities.
The SJW language trick, is using technically correct language to raise attention to insignificant issues and then hide behind language games.

QuoteThat happens because the mods become more leftist over time. 'Stamping them out' doesn't help because progressives will be disengenous given the requirement, and will sneak in and turn the controls in their favor.
Progressives do not dominate free speech platforms. They dominate protected ones. If you cannot defend a free speech platform, you will not defend a protected one, or it will be so insular it will just be a impotent echo chamber.

As a member of many conservative groups and discords I clearly see it's possible to do. Is there risk of echo-chamberism... sure.
But the point it what is your purpose. Do you wanna place to talk about RPGs without being peskered by leftists, or do you want wage open war against them.

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This is one of those examples of upreparedness. Everything is political, everything is just not MEANINGFULLY political. Like there is cianide in the air, just not in meaningful quantities.
The SJW language trick, is using technically correct language to raise attention to insignificant issues and then hide behind language games.

And also - not everything is political - as political move in real life. You can play fictional policies without much care about real ones. Left radicals will hate is, as for them culture is mainly political weapon.

Quote from: Wrath of God on December 19, 2021, 06:32:45 PMBut the point it what is your purpose.

Have good conversations with smart people, left or right, and have have my opinions challenged, as well as challenge other opinions. And I can't get that where a ideological purity test is demanded.

I was accused of possibly being a sockpuppet purely for being anti-authoritarian and agreeing that the logic of 'voluntary platform controls cannot be authoritarian' are the same arguments used by facebook and twitter. If you believe you cannot be wrong, or your opposition cannot be good, then you are stuck in a purity cycle.

QuoteAnd also - not everything is political - as political move in real life.

I disagree with SJW principles, but one must engage with and understand them to refute them as opposed to just rebuff them.
If the realm of imaginary could not convey ideas, and be used to mold them in the political sphere, then commies wouldn't have sent they money they did to Hollywood.

"Not everything needs to be part of a collectivist hive mind" is a political statement counter towards 'All entertainment must serve the revolution'. So embrace your individualism and your stance and tell commies then collectivist horseshit sucks, not that you don't have an opinion.

Quote from: Zelen on July 27, 2021, 10:44:48 PM
Loot crates are definitely gambling and must be regulated. Pitting the willpower of your 6yo child/brother/cousin against the psychological manipulations of multi-billion dollar global corporations is not at all appropriate. Moreover, it's just made games a hell of a lot more shitty.

Microtransactions are a shady business practice that deserve a lot more scrutiny. It gets wrapped up in the challenge of "Software as a service" vs. ownership of product you've purchased question. Which in simpler terms is a question of whether corporations should hold power, or should people who purchase products hold power.

Star Trek online really gouges the players for every dime they can.
one tier 6 starship? 30$, alot of the microtransaction stuff is in the 20-30$ range.
TOS instant advance to max level, +36 inventory slots, +12 bank slots, +6 bridge officer slots, +2 ship slots, and a t6 ship with compliment of bridge officers? 120$
pack with 9 t6 ships and 3 ship upgrade modules? 150$
pack with 4 t6 ships, 2 free shop tokens for ships, 11 keys, a flaming targ combat pet and some other incidentals? 250$

Thats not even getting to the drop boxes with odds approaching 1 in 2000 of getting a t6 ship.

Neverwinter is not quite that bad. But only because its an afterthought to STO now.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on December 19, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
I disagree with SJW principles, but one must engage with and understand them to refute them as opposed to just rebuff them.
If the realm of imaginary could not convey ideas, and be used to mold them in the political sphere, then commies wouldn't have sent they money they did to Hollywood.

Problem is you can not engage with a cultist. And this is very much a cult.

Quote from: Omega on December 21, 2021, 12:17:09 PMProblem is you can not engage with a cultist. And this is very much a cult.

They will however very much engage with you. Turning away from them just leave syou on the defensive.

I think having both open places and safe spaces is generally good idea from tactical perspective.

And then I do not believe in free speech so I have 0 problem with silencing my enemies, especially in place I control.
Making explictly anti-woke and anti-left server is perfectly fine idea.

Quote from: Wrath of God on December 21, 2021, 06:48:22 PMAnd then I do not believe in free speech

Which to me make you not a person with principles I respect.