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Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Yig on March 16, 2006, 12:58:56 AM
I will play a half-ogre (LA+2) barbarian 10in an upcoming campaign.

I know that I get the starting gold of a 12th level character.

Do I get the feats/stat increases of a level 10 or 12 character?
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 16, 2006, 01:15:06 AM
10th Only
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Krishnath on March 16, 2006, 06:31:44 AM
Quote from: YigI will play a half-ogre (LA+2) barbarian 10in an upcoming campaign.

I know that I get the starting gold of a 12th level character.

That is correct.

Quote from: YigDo I get the feats/stat increases of a level 10 or 12 character?
10th.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 16, 2006, 06:34:15 AM
Quote from: Knightcrawler10th Only

Yeah I should have clarified which question I was answering.  So the dragon is correct, you get money as if you were 12th but everything else is at 10th.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Krishnath on March 16, 2006, 06:35:37 AM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerYeah I should have clarified which question I was answering.  So the dragon is correct, you get money as if you were 12th but everything else is at 10th.
You also have the XP of a 12th level character.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Knightcrawler on March 16, 2006, 07:30:56 AM
Quote from: KrishnathYou also have the XP of a 12th level character.

Yes, so instead of 10,000 xp to get to 11th level your going to need 12,000 xp.  So if your DM gave you a set amount of experience to make a character then your character would only be a 8th level barbarian.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Yig on March 16, 2006, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: KnightcrawlerYes, so instead of 10,000 xp to get to 11th level your going to need 12,000 xp.  So if your DM gave you a set amount of experience to make a character then your character would only be a 8th level barbarian.

Actually, we rolled a d20 to determine the starting level of the campaign :)

Thanks for the answers guys.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Krishnath on March 16, 2006, 01:24:50 PM
You're welcome. :D
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Vermicious Knid on March 16, 2006, 02:48:40 PM
Quote from: YigI will play a half-ogre (LA+2) barbarian 10in an upcoming campaign.

I know that I get the starting gold of a 12th level character.

Do I get the feats/stat increases of a level 10 or 12 character?

If you can get your INT to 13 take expertise and improved trip.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Yig on March 20, 2006, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: Vermicious KnidIf you can get your INT to 13 take expertise and improved trip.

Decided to do just that. Have to lose a 15 to do it tho. Oh well.

Gonna use a halberd.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Vermicious Knid on March 20, 2006, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: YigDecided to do just that. Have to lose a 15 to do it tho. Oh well.

Gonna use a halberd.


:D  Have fun owning the battlefield.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Yig on March 21, 2006, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: Vermicious Knid:D  Have fun owning the battlefield.

Will try. We're playing a game without AoO.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Bagpuss on March 21, 2006, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: YigI will play a half-ogre (LA+2) barbarian 10in an upcoming campaign.

I know that I get the starting gold of a 12th level character.

Do I get the feats/stat increases of a level 10 or 12 character?

A Half-Ogre 10th Level Barbarian is an ECL of 16th level character (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monstersAsRaces.htm#levelAdjustmentandEffectiveCharacterLevel).

10 (Barbarian levels) + 2 (Level Adjustment) + 4 (Racial Hit Dice) = 16.

So you should start with the XP of the 16th level character and gold of one. And get your next class level when you get to 17th level.

Unless your GM is using the optional rule to buy down the level adjustment (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/reducingLevelAdjustments.htm). In which case you could have bought it down at 6th and 9th level.

At a cost of 11,000 xp (at the 6th level Barbarian) plus 13,000 (at 9th level Barbarian) so you'll be 23,000 xp behind any other PC's without a LA race.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Vermicious Knid on March 21, 2006, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: YigWill try. We're playing a game without AoO.

Gah! :eek:  That neuters the angry half-ogre something fierce. :(
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Vermicious Knid on March 21, 2006, 05:43:29 PM
Quote from: BagpussA Half-Ogre 10th Level Barbarian is an ECL of 16th level character (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monstersAsRaces.htm#levelAdjustmentandEffectiveCharacterLevel).

10 (Barbarian levels) + 2 (Level Adjustment) + 4 (Racial Hit Dice) = 16.

So you should start with the XP of the 16th level character and gold of one. And get your next class level when you get to 17th level.

Unless your GM is using the optional rule to buy down the level adjustment (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/reducingLevelAdjustments.htm). In which case you could have bought it down at 6th and 9th level.

At a cost of 11,000 xp (at the 6th level Barbarian) plus 13,000 (at 9th level Barbarian) so you'll be 23,000 xp behind any other PC's without a LA race.

Why in the world would it be ECL 16? :confused: LA +2, Lvl.10 = 12
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Bagpuss on March 21, 2006, 07:55:07 PM
Check the links to the SRD I provided above, or the Monster Manual.

ECL is LA+Racial HD+Class levels. So an Ogre at 4 HD and LA +2 is an ECL of 6 before you add any class levels.

Edit: Duh silly me forgot the "Half" bit, I take it that has no Racial Hit Dice? I was thinking of Ogres.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Yig on March 21, 2006, 11:15:12 PM
Quote from: BagpussEdit: Duh silly me forgot the "Half" bit, I take it that has no Racial Hit Dice? I was thinking of Ogres.

Funny thing is that you actually wrote half-ogre in your other post :)

But yeah, the half-ogre don't have any racial HD.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Yig on March 21, 2006, 11:18:21 PM
Quote from: Vermicious KnidGah! :eek:  That neuters the angry half-ogre something fierce. :(

Well, I still have reach and I'm still Large with a high Str.

Maybe I should I made a half-ogre monk :)
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Bagpuss on March 22, 2006, 03:44:07 AM
Quote from: YigWell, I still have reach and I'm still Large with a high Str.

Whirlwind attack could be nice, you'll be able to hit 24 squares instead of the usual 8.
Title: Quick ECL/LA question
Post by: Vermicious Knid on March 22, 2006, 07:05:59 PM
Quote from: YigWell, I still have reach and I'm still Large with a high Str.

Maybe I should I made a half-ogre monk :)


My build: Monk 2/Fighter 1/Ranger 1/Psion 2. The next level will be Illithid Slayer. :D