So, Kobold Press announced the first playtest files drop on February 2023. Are you going to participate?
Maybe. We Are Amused by the title, if nothing else.
Quote from: Bruwulf on January 18, 2023, 11:00:49 PM
Maybe. We Are Amused by the title, if nothing else.
I'm curious about how different it is from 5e and about what will Wankers on the Beach will do about it.
Plus the title is REALLY amusing to say the least.
Will it be a free download?
If so, I'll check it out.
Otherwise, no.
Quote from: Spinachcat on January 19, 2023, 12:25:36 AM
Will it be a free download?
If so, I'll check it out.
Otherwise, no.
You have to sign for the newsletter, I haven't seen anything about a price anywhere.
https://koboldpress.com/project-black-flag-update-sticking-to-our-principles/ (https://koboldpress.com/project-black-flag-update-sticking-to-our-principles/)
At the end of the day, it sounds like 5E with the serial numbers filed off, so No.
I might take a look, if only out of curiosity.
It's worth joining in on and talk about just to remind people what WotC did/tried to do. Take the wind out of their sales so they're in a bad position going into the OneD&D launch.
I imagine it will have woke politics shoehorned into the rules, so I'm not terribly excited about it.
Quote from: Crusader X on January 19, 2023, 06:27:15 PM
I imagine it will have woke politics shoehorned into the rules, so I'm not terribly excited about it.
Have they done it with their other products? Aside from that one chapter in the Kobold Guide to GMing (which also featured Frank Mentzer), have they done anything obviously bad?
Quote from: migo on January 19, 2023, 06:35:37 PM
Quote from: Crusader X on January 19, 2023, 06:27:15 PM
I imagine it will have woke politics shoehorned into the rules, so I'm not terribly excited about it.
Have they done it with their other products? Aside from that one chapter in the Kobold Guide to GMing (which also featured Frank Mentzer), have they done anything obviously bad?
That's basically what I was referring to. If they could publish that woke junk in the Kobold Guide, I don't see them having a spine strong enough to resist more woke garbage slipping into their new rules that will be courting existing 5e players. I would be very happy if I'm wrong, though.
Are white males actually allowed to participate?
Quote from: Crusader X on January 19, 2023, 06:45:06 PM
Quote from: migo on January 19, 2023, 06:35:37 PM
Quote from: Crusader X on January 19, 2023, 06:27:15 PM
I imagine it will have woke politics shoehorned into the rules, so I'm not terribly excited about it.
Have they done it with their other products? Aside from that one chapter in the Kobold Guide to GMing (which also featured Frank Mentzer), have they done anything obviously bad?
That's basically what I was referring to. If they could publish that woke junk in the Kobold Guide, I don't see them having a spine strong enough to resist more woke garbage slipping into their new rules that will be courting existing 5e players. I would be very happy if I'm wrong, though.
The interesting thing is/will be to see what WotC does about it, since it's derived from 5e, it hasn't been published yet therefore it falls outside of the authorization of the OGL1.0a. Will they go after Kobold Press for this or not?
I think it won't be published under ANY OGL but maybe under ORC.
So, depending on how WotC reacts, how open is the ORC it could be a good place to rebuild the OSR from, which might include creating a retroclone of itself cutting any woke garbage they put in.
Quote from: MerrillWeathermay on January 19, 2023, 06:46:12 PM
Are white males actually allowed to participate?
Between Paizo's inevitably woke-leaning revisions, BFRPG bending leftwards and Kobold Press there's the prospect that all of the major non-OGL SRD's are going be on the wokish side.
Quote from: Crusader X on January 19, 2023, 06:45:06 PM
That's basically what I was referring to. If they could publish that woke junk in the Kobold Guide, I don't see them having a spine strong enough to resist more woke garbage slipping into their new rules that will be courting existing 5e players.
They had the spine to publish Mentzer, who has been something of a persona non grata in woke circles for a while.
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I would be very happy if I'm wrong, though.
We won't know unless someone signs up.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 19, 2023, 06:58:51 PM
Between Paizo's inevitably woke-leaning revisions, BFRPG bending leftwards and Kobold Press there's the prospect that all of the major non-OGL SRD's are going be on the wokish side.
How is Matt Finch? And there's also Free League - they're Swedish, and if they were seriously woke you would expect them to have made it obvious by now.
Quote from: migo on January 19, 2023, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 19, 2023, 06:58:51 PM
Between Paizo's inevitably woke-leaning revisions, BFRPG bending leftwards and Kobold Press there's the prospect that all of the major non-OGL SRD's are going be on the wokish side.
How is Matt Finch? And there's also Free League - they're Swedish, and if they were seriously woke you would expect them to have made it obvious by now.
No clue on the players in writing up the ORC... I'm referring to the likely sources of new SRDs for third parties to work with.
They are 2 years too late for me. If it works out, gets good reviews, and KP doesn't dip deeper into the woke pool, I might check it out on a 2nd printing.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 19, 2023, 06:50:11 PMThe interesting thing is/will be to see what WotC does about it, since it's derived from 5e, it hasn't been published yet therefore it falls outside of the authorization of the OGL1.0a. Will they go after Kobold Press for this or not?
My bet is WotC goes after anyone making 5e content, but not TSR-era D&D content. Unsure about 3e-era content, but I'd lean toward no.
Of course, that depends on whether WotC's own lawyers believe they have the rights to nuke the OGL 1.0 or if they're scrambling now that their legal arguments might not be sound before a federal judge or SCOTUS...especially since the OGL kerfluffle has sounded alarms across other open license commmunities with FAR bigger dollars.
My gut says WotC wants to consolidate 5e's audience and funnel them into 6e without distraction since it's probable that 6e is really just 5.5e.
Quote from: Spinachcat on January 20, 2023, 12:23:18 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 19, 2023, 06:50:11 PMThe interesting thing is/will be to see what WotC does about it, since it's derived from 5e, it hasn't been published yet therefore it falls outside of the authorization of the OGL1.0a. Will they go after Kobold Press for this or not?
My bet is WotC goes after anyone making 5e content, but not TSR-era D&D content. Unsure about 3e-era content, but I'd lean toward no.
Of course, that depends on whether WotC's own lawyers believe they have the rights to nuke the OGL 1.0 or if they're scrambling now that their legal arguments might not be sound before a federal judge or SCOTUS...especially since the OGL kerfluffle has sounded alarms across other open license commmunities with FAR bigger dollars.
My gut says WotC wants to consolidate 5e's audience and funnel them into 6e without distraction since it's probable that 6e is really just 5.5e.
We'll have to wait and see, I think they are a bunch of greedy bastards and will try to nuke anyone they think they can, smaller fish is better from a certain PoV, they will fold for lack of funds to fight.
We'll see when the first law suit drops if the EFF or other Open Source Orgs. jump into the fray. It IS in their best interests to do so because if not then someone might just jump and say their code is no longer Open and fuck the ecosystem, but we'll have to wait for the other shoe to drop.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 19, 2023, 07:33:01 PM
Quote from: migo on January 19, 2023, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 19, 2023, 06:58:51 PM
Between Paizo's inevitably woke-leaning revisions, BFRPG bending leftwards and Kobold Press there's the prospect that all of the major non-OGL SRD's are going be on the wokish side.
How is Matt Finch? And there's also Free League - they're Swedish, and if they were seriously woke you would expect them to have made it obvious by now.
No clue on the players in writing up the ORC... I'm referring to the likely sources of new SRDs for third parties to work with.
Matt Finch is Swords & Wizardry. As far as the OSR goes, S&W is a big player.
Also, as long as Alexander Macris is working with ORC, ACKS is at least a moderate player and would also serve as a good base SRD.
Quote from: Tasty_Wind on January 19, 2023, 09:00:59 AM
At the end of the day, it sounds like 5E with the serial numbers filed off, so No.
Something like that already existed: The French rpg Héros & Dragons. You can find the original crowd-funder here: https://www.gameontabletop.com/cf30/heros-dragons-le-jeu-de-role.html
The SRD to this game still exists. I am no expert on 5e, but the rules seem to be almost identical, except for some additions such as three new races:
https://heros-et-dragons.tk/
Due to disputes with WOTC, the game had to cease publication in February 2021: https://black-book-editions.fr/news-3187.html
I had to laugh about one person's comment on that page. It was made in June 2021, but is even more true today: "WOTC vous etes vraiment des crottes de troll...Comme si ils ne gagnaient pas assé d'argent. Les politiques commerciales sont reelement sans pitié... Personnellement, je ne suis pas près d'acheter un de leur produit maintenant, ils n'auront plus une pièce d'or de ma part.."
I hope that the setting book (Le cinq royaumes) and the locations book (Batisses clés en main) will appear someday in a system-agnostic version.
Quote from: Spinachcat on January 20, 2023, 12:23:18 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 19, 2023, 06:50:11 PMThe interesting thing is/will be to see what WotC does about it, since it's derived from 5e, it hasn't been published yet therefore it falls outside of the authorization of the OGL1.0a. Will they go after Kobold Press for this or not?
My bet is WotC goes after anyone making 5e content, but not TSR-era D&D content. Unsure about 3e-era content, but I'd lean toward no.
Of course, that depends on whether WotC's own lawyers believe they have the rights to nuke the OGL 1.0 or if they're scrambling now that their legal arguments might not be sound before a federal judge or SCOTUS...especially since the OGL kerfluffle has sounded alarms across other open license commmunities with FAR bigger dollars.
My gut says WotC wants to consolidate 5e's audience and funnel them into 6e without distraction since it's probable that 6e is really just 5.5e.
You won't get all of the existing user base, but there needs to be a concerted effort to just stop playing and buying 5e content. That's the only thing that kills WotC as the arbiter of D&D - you have to make it so that their DnDB subscriptions stay cancelled and they continue bleeding cash trying to get whatever fucked-up "one electronic walled garden to rule them all" OneD&D implemented.
I suspect their movie inevitably bombing (which has nothing to do with the OGL mess; it has "failure" written all over it for entirely separate reasons) will have the biggest impact on Hasbro's plans.
The surest means of killing the OneD&D beast and the planned lawfare against anyone getting close to their IP going forward is to put a stake through Hasbro's dreams of D&D as a lifestyle brand. The entire ttrpg industry is chump change compared to what they're hoping to turn D&D into, so if the movie bombs resulting in Chris Pine and crew action figures moldering on retail shelves the way Rey and Finn ones do and all the branded tee shirts end up on clearance racks and it ends up streaming to poor numbers on Paramount+ then Hasbro's shareholders are going to realize the "D&D is undermonetized" pitch is actually a load of crap and wasting money on trying to monopolize such a niche market isn't a good investment.
Short version; the harder Hasbro's lifestyle brand plan fails, the closer your system's concept stacks can get to D&D's without triggering the lawfare.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 12:28:32 PM
I suspect their movie inevitably bombing (which has nothing to do with the OGL mess; it has "failure" written all over it for entirely separate reasons) will have the biggest impact on Hasbro's plans.
The surest means of killing the OneD&D beast and the planned lawfare against anyone getting close to their IP going forward is to put a stake through Hasbro's dreams of D&D as a lifestyle brand. The entire ttrpg industry is chump change compared to what they're hoping to turn D&D into, so if the movie bombs resulting in Chris Pine and crew action figures moldering on retail shelves the way Rey and Finn ones do and all the branded tee shirts end up on clearance racks and it ends up streaming to poor numbers on Paramount+ then Hasbro's shareholders are going to realize the "D&D is undermonetized" pitch is actually a load of crap and wasting money on trying to monopolize such a niche market isn't a good investment.
Short version; the harder Hasbro's lifestyle brand plan fails, the closer your system's concept stacks can get to D&D's without triggering the lawfare.
I'll ask again: What is that?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 12:35:34 PM
I'll ask again: What is that?
I believe Matt Finch talks about this concept in his first OGL video. If I understand correctly, it's the concept that certain blocks of content in a particular order may be enough for someone claiming copyright or license infringement to mount a successful case. In his example, he mentions changing the names of OGL spells or adding/removing spells in order to ensure that something like a spell list is not exactly duplicated in supposedly de-OGLified materials (thus opening themselves to legal challenge).
Quote from: rkhigdon on January 20, 2023, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 12:35:34 PM
I'll ask again: What is that?
I believe Matt Finch talks about this concept in his first OGL video. If I understand correctly, it's the concept that certain blocks of content in a particular order may be enough for someone claiming copyright or license infringement to mount a successful case. In his example, he mentions changing the names of OGL spells or adding/removing spells in order to ensure that something like a spell list is not exactly duplicated in supposedly de-OGLified materials (thus opening themselves to legal challenge).
First of all thanks, he hasn't bothered to answer the 3-4 times I asked.
So points of coincidence/simmilarity?
As in the more alike X is to Y the more risk?
We've been talking about that without using an obscure term: "It's not enough to change the name, you need to change the description/art/mechanics to make it truly unique."
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 01:27:23 PM
First of all thanks, he hasn't bothered to answer the 3-4 times I asked.
So points of coincidence/simmilarity?
As in the more alike X is to Y the more risk?
We've been talking about that without using an obscure term: "It's not enough to change the name, you need to change the description/art/mechanics to make it truly unique."
Matt is of the opinion that he doesn't necessarily need to change the names, he just needs to break up those points of similarity. In fact, I believe they're going to keep the original names in parenthesis. This likely works for S&W because they had basically weened out much of the SRD content throughout the lifetime of the product, so breaking up those legacy items is relatively short work.
Quote from: rkhigdon on January 20, 2023, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 01:27:23 PM
First of all thanks, he hasn't bothered to answer the 3-4 times I asked.
So points of coincidence/simmilarity?
As in the more alike X is to Y the more risk?
We've been talking about that without using an obscure term: "It's not enough to change the name, you need to change the description/art/mechanics to make it truly unique."
Matt is of the opinion that he doesn't necessarily need to change the names, he just needs to break up those points of similarity. In fact, I believe they're going to keep the original names in parenthesis. This likely works for S&W because they had basically weened out much of the SRD content throughout the lifetime of the product, so breaking up those legacy items is relatively short work.
I hope he's right, I love his game and also the White Box FMAG and those based on it.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 01:27:23 PM
So points of coincidence/simmilarity?
As in the more alike X is to Y the more risk?
We've been talking about that without using an obscure term: "It's not enough to change the name, you need to change the description/art/mechanics to make it truly unique."
That's a little too strict. It's more that if you keep X, you might want to change Y, or vice versa. The whole thing adds up. If the thing has A, B, C, D, E, F, G, then changing the name/description probably isn't enough (depending on what all those items are), but changing the name of A, how B works, dropping E out entirely in favor of H, and using your own words--you are well on your way, maybe there already.
The lead designer of project Black Flag:
QuoteCeleste Conowitch, our Senior Game Designer, is the lead on game design for this new fantasy RPG.
Who is She?
Let's go to the horses mouth:
Quote
https://celesteconowitch.com/game-design/
Celeste Conowitch
Game Designer, Performer, Producer
"Celeste is the Producer, Editor, and Dungeon Master of Venture Maidens, a femme-forged D&D actual-play podcast set in the homebrew world of The Planes."
Gotta say, I'm not filled with confidence here...
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on January 20, 2023, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 01:27:23 PM
So points of coincidence/simmilarity?
As in the more alike X is to Y the more risk?
We've been talking about that without using an obscure term: "It's not enough to change the name, you need to change the description/art/mechanics to make it truly unique."
That's a little too strict. It's more that if you keep X, you might want to change Y, or vice versa. The whole thing adds up. If the thing has A, B, C, D, E, F, G, then changing the name/description probably isn't enough (depending on what all those items are), but changing the name of A, how B works, dropping E out entirely in favor of H, and using your own words--you are well on your way, maybe there already.
Got it. Thanks.
Quote from: Jaeger on January 20, 2023, 01:38:50 PM
The lead designer of project Black Flag:
QuoteCeleste Conowitch, our Senior Game Designer, is the lead on game design for this new fantasy RPG.
Who is She?
Let's go to the horses mouth:
Quote
https://celesteconowitch.com/game-design/
Celeste Conowitch
Game Designer, Performer, Producer
"Celeste is the Producer, Editor, and Dungeon Master of Venture Maidens, a femme-forged D&D actual-play podcast set in the homebrew world of The Planes."
Gotta say, I'm not filled with confidence here...
Was there any doubt it was going to be woke?
The interesting thing is this:
It's a totally not 5e clone
Presumably published under ORC or some other custom license
What's WotC going to do about it?
How Open is the license they are going to use?
Are there ANY cool mechanics or innovations?
That's the stuff I'm really curious about.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 12:35:34 PM
I'll ask again: What is that?
Again? This is the first time I've even seen you ask about it and I've explained it more than once in other threads on the same topic, but here goes again.
A "Concept Stack" is shorthand (borrowed from Scott Adam's Talent Stack concept) for a specific collection of concepts that individually would not be copyrightable, but the specific "stack" of them would be copyrightable.
I previously gave an example of the D&D cleric. Each of these elements isn't copyrightable on its own, but taken as a whole stack becomes a specific copyrightable thing;
- wandering priest
- in a fantasy setting
- casts spells using level based slots
- that are prepared daily
- from a specific list
- also turns/destroys undead
- wears heavy armor
- has limited weapon selection
Using a Concept Stack in its entirety is a recipe for copyright infringement. The more you either alter or break up the stack the less chance of running afoul of WotC's copyright of their cleric class becomes.
In this case too, the less valuable Hasbro sees the D&D property as, the less they will care about pursuing copyright infringement and the closer to D&D's Concept Stack for things you can get without having issues. If D&D becomes a full-fledged lifestyle brand then they're going to protect it heavily by going after any close imitator. If D&D fails as a lifestyle brand and is only valuable as a niche hobby IP then closer imitators aren't worth the effort of pursuing and only direct threats to their specific IP are likely to be pursued.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 12:35:34 PM
I'll ask again: What is that?
Again? This is the first time I've even seen you ask about it and I've explained it more than once in other threads on the same topic, but here goes again.
A "Concept Stack" is shorthand (borrowed from Scott Adam's Talent Stack concept) for a specific collection of concepts that individually would not be copyrightable, but the specific "stack" of them would be copyrightable.
I previously gave an example of the D&D cleric. Each of these elements isn't copyrightable on its own, but taken as a whole stack becomes a specific copyrightable thing;
- wandering priest
- in a fantasy setting
- casts spells using level based slots
- that are prepared daily
- from a specific list
- also turns/destroys undead
- wears heavy armor
- has limited weapon selection
Using a Concept Stack in its entirety is a recipe for copyright infringement. The more you either alter or break up the stack the less chance of running afoul of WotC's copyright of their cleric class becomes.
In this case too, the less valuable Hasbro sees the D&D property as, the less they will care about pursuing copyright infringement and the closer to D&D's Concept Stack for things you can get without having issues. If D&D becomes a full-fledged lifestyle brand then they're going to protect it heavily by going after any close imitator. If D&D fails as a lifestyle brand and is only valuable as a niche hobby IP then closer imitators aren't worth the effort of pursuing and only direct threats to their specific IP are likely to be pursued.
Yes, I've asked in 2-4 posts where you mentioned the term.
I must have missed your explanation of it.
Thanks for the explanation.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 02:13:23 PM
In this case too, the less valuable Hasbro sees the D&D property as, the less they will care about pursuing copyright infringement and the closer to D&D's Concept Stack for things you can get without having issues. If D&D becomes a full-fledged lifestyle brand then they're going to protect it heavily by going after any close imitator. If D&D fails as a lifestyle brand and is only valuable as a niche hobby IP then closer imitators aren't worth the effort of pursuing and only direct threats to their specific IP are likely to be pursued.
You don't need to wait for their brand to fail. You just need enough people/products to simultaneously co-opt terms and descriptions to force them into the public domain. This is what happened with kleenex, elevator, kevlar, nylon, etc. Most people probably don't even know these are trademarks. Some off-brand company can market their "nylon rope" in Big Lots and BDG Media, Inc. can go suck eggs.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 12:59:13 AMI think they are a bunch of greedy bastards and will try to nuke anyone they think they can, smaller fish is better from a certain PoV, they will fold for lack of funds to fight.
If they go the Lawfare route, they'll emulate TSR. They will fire off cease & desist letters, followed by scary obey-or-die letters, and only then file lawsuits against the last remnant. Back in the TSR days, most "offenders" folded after the first C&D.
C&Ds and the scary letters are boilerplates that can be sent out by secretaries with a photocopy of the Lead Attorney's signature because they carry zero legal weight. That's far cheaper for WotC and clears out 90% of their targets.
Quote from: 3catcircus on January 20, 2023, 11:50:11 AMYou won't get all of the existing user base, but there needs to be a concerted effort to just stop playing and buying 5e content.
I'm sure after 24 years, WotC has the data on what percentage of customers drop off per edition change and already calculated that into their 6e plans.
Also, I don't think most 5e players know about or care about the OGL kerfluffle. For most gamers, they only play the current edition of D&D, whatever that may be.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 01:27:23 PMWe've been talking about that without using an obscure term: "It's not enough to change the name, you need to change the description/art/mechanics to make it truly unique."
Geeky, read up on Fair Use laws in the USA. You'l find it very interesting and useful.
If WotC really had the power to go after anyone who published a Not-D&D game with D&D-ish contents, TSR would have chased down Palladium, Chaosium, Games Workshop (Warhammer) and most importantly, Origins (Ultima), Wizardry and Blizzard (Warcraft) back in the 80s and 90s.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 12:28:32 PMI suspect their movie inevitably bombing (which has nothing to do with the OGL mess; it has "failure" written all over it for entirely separate reasons) will have the biggest impact on Hasbro's plans.
Why do you think it's in an inevitable bomb? It's LotR + MCU with just enough wokeness to appease Twatter. If it opens away from any other fantasy or supers movie, why would it do any worse than break even?
Why wouldn't it have a long tail on streaming? People watch loads of crap.
I'm not the audience for the movie, but am I missing something?
Quote from: Spinachcat on January 20, 2023, 07:00:24 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 01:27:23 PMWe've been talking about that without using an obscure term: "It's not enough to change the name, you need to change the description/art/mechanics to make it truly unique."
Geeky, read up on Fair Use laws in the USA. You'l find it very interesting and useful.
If WotC really had the power to go after anyone who published a Not-D&D game with D&D-ish contents, TSR would have chased down Palladium, Chaosium, Games Workshop (Warhammer) and most importantly, Origins (Ultima), Wizardry and Blizzard (Warcraft) back in the 80s and 90s.
Remind me, why was TSR known as "They Sue Regularly"?
The law doesn't matter if you don't have the money to fight.
Quote from: Spinachcat on January 20, 2023, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 12:28:32 PMI suspect their movie inevitably bombing (which has nothing to do with the OGL mess; it has "failure" written all over it for entirely separate reasons) will have the biggest impact on Hasbro's plans.
Why do you think it's in an inevitable bomb? It's LotR + MCU with just enough wokeness to appease Twatter. If it opens away from any other fantasy or supers movie, why would it do any worse than break even?
Why wouldn't it have a long tail on streaming? People watch loads of crap.
I'm not the audience for the movie, but am I missing something?
I'm not saying it will bomb or not, but:
I've seen enough woke twitterati tweeting about boycotting the movie and the show to think it might.
But this of course doesn't mean the wider audience is onboard with such boycott, even if The Washington compost picked up the controversy, and made a fairly-ish good article about it.
Quote from: Spinachcat on January 20, 2023, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 12:28:32 PMI suspect their movie inevitably bombing (which has nothing to do with the OGL mess; it has "failure" written all over it for entirely separate reasons) will have the biggest impact on Hasbro's plans.
Why do you think it's in an inevitable bomb? It's LotR + MCU with just enough wokeness to appease Twatter. If it opens away from any other fantasy or supers movie, why would it do any worse than break even?
Why wouldn't it have a long tail on streaming? People watch loads of crap.
I'm not the audience for the movie, but am I missing something?
Well, first of all... MCU Fatigue. Post Endgame the magic is gone and interest in Marvel-like films just isn't what it used to be. D&D:HAT looks just like another Marvel movie except there's not even recognizable characters involved.
Second, it stars Chris Pine, the least bankable Chris in Hollywood who hasn't headlined a profitable film since the first Wonder Woman in 2017 and plays exactly one character; Chris Pine; in every film he's in. That little dancing skip in the trailer he makes pretty says how seriously we're supposed to take his character, who will inevitably be a chauvinistic butt-monkey until one of the strong women ends up saving the day and he learns some sort of lesson about respecting the power of women. Once you've seen that story once, you don't need to see it again.
Third, it was written and directed by Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley... writers and directors of such hits as "Game Night" and "Vacation Friends" and was one of the many fired for creative differences teams that directed the upcoming "Flash" movie at some point during its development hell.
Fourth, the Woke don't actually put their money where their mouths are. If they did woke garbage wouldn't keep failing in theaters. This think looking like 21st Century Seattle values pretending to be Medieval fantasy isn't going to make the woke spend money on this.
Fifth, look around at the economy. People will shell out big bucks for something pro-America and good storytelling like last year's Top Gun: Maverick. They're not going to shell out movie theatre money for another off-brand Marvel movie.
Finally, its a Paramount release so its not going to be turning up on HBOMax, Amazon or Netflix. It'll be streaming on Paramount+; where Star Trek went to die.
Its basically a Jenga tower of failure.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 08:11:02 PM
Well, first of all... MCU Fatigue. Post Endgame the magic is gone and interest in Marvel-like films just isn't what it used to be. D&D:HAT looks just like another Marvel movie except there's not even recognizable characters involved.
Second, it stars Chris Pine, the least bankable Chris in Hollywood who hasn't headlined a profitable film since the first Wonder Woman in 2017 and plays exactly one character; Chris Pine; in every film he's in. That little dancing skip in the trailer he makes pretty says how seriously we're supposed to take his character, who will inevitably be a chauvinistic butt-monkey until one of the strong women ends up saving the day and he learns some sort of lesson about respecting the power of women. Once you've seen that story once, you don't need to see it again.
Third, it was written and directed by Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley... writers and directors of such hits as "Game Night" and "Vacation Friends" and was one of the many fired for creative differences teams that directed the upcoming "Flash" movie at some point during its development hell.
Fourth, the Woke don't actually put their money where their mouths are. If they did woke garbage wouldn't keep failing in theaters. This think looking like 21st Century Seattle values pretending to be Medieval fantasy isn't going to make the woke spend money on this.
Fifth, look around at the economy. People will shell out big bucks for something pro-America and good storytelling like last year's Top Gun: Maverick. They're not going to shell out movie theatre money for another off-brand Marvel movie.
Finally, its a Paramount release so its not going to be turning up on HBOMax, Amazon or Netflix. It'll be streaming on Paramount+; where Star Trek went to die.
Its basically a Jenga tower of failure.
One more thing going against it is that it's a fantasy movie. Due to the success of Game of Thrones and D&D, there's this belief that fantasy projects are bankable, but fantasy has a long history of underperforming or flopping outright.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 08:07:23 PMRemind me, why was TSR known as "They Sue Regularly"?
Mostly because gamers think a C&D is a lawsuit.
It's easy to scare people into obedience with legal-ish language.
For instance, "mask mandates" aren't laws, but that didn't matter to the obedient and the enforcers.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 08:07:23 PMThe law doesn't matter if you don't have the money to fight.
As a veteran of many legal actions, "The Law" is whatever the judge feels the law might be today, often depending on what the judge had for breakfast.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 12:28:32 PMI suspect their movie inevitably bombing (which has nothing to do with the OGL mess; it has "failure" written all over it for entirely separate reasons) will have the biggest impact on Hasbro's plans.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 08:11:02 PM
Well, first of all... MCU Fatigue. Post Endgame the magic is gone and interest in Marvel-like films just isn't what it used to be. D&D:HAT looks just like another Marvel movie except there's not even recognizable characters involved.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 20, 2023, 08:11:02 PM
Fourth, the Woke don't actually put their money where their mouths are. If they did woke garbage wouldn't keep failing in theaters. This think looking like 21st Century Seattle values pretending to be Medieval fantasy isn't going to make the woke spend money on this.
Fifth, look around at the economy. People will shell out big bucks for something pro-America and good storytelling like last year's Top Gun: Maverick. They're not going to shell out movie theatre money for another off-brand Marvel movie.
I think this is exaggerating trends. The D&D movie doesn't have to be the top movie of the year to be a success. I'd agree there is MCU fatigue in the sense that they've been less successful. However, that's coming down from an unprecedented success rate. In the 2022 domestic box office, MCU movies were still #2 and #3 of the top five. Here they are:
#1. Top Gun: Maverick -> $718M
#2. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever -> $436M
#3. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness -> $411M
#4. Avatar: The Way of Water -> $401M
#5. Jurassic World: Dominion -> $376M
Note that Avatar: The Way of Water is only #4 because it came out just before the new year. It has gone on to make $578M domestically and is currently still the top movie in the U.S.
I think there's clearly still a big market for CGI sci-fi/fantasy action movies.
I'll certainly take a look at Black Flag if ORC has no morality clause, otherwise, it is a non-starter.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 01:50:44 PM
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Was there any doubt it was going to be woke?
The interesting thing is this:
It's a totally not 5e clone
Presumably published under ORC or some other custom license
What's WotC going to do about it?
How Open is the license they are going to use?
Are there ANY cool mechanics or innovations?
That's the stuff I'm really curious about.
All very good questions!
Unfortunately, I don't think any of that matters any more:
Quote from: KOBOLD PRESS TWITTER on January 20, 2023, 01:50:44 PM
https://twitter.com/KoboldPress/status/1617915504710111232
A Kobold is on the rise!
Reintroducing Chelsea Steverson, who's now our Marketing Director!
Read about her now!
💖: https://koboldpress.com/welcome-new-marketing-director-chelsea-dot-steverson/
📸:
@masonwarddng
| #RaiseTheFlag
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Quote from: Jaeger on January 24, 2023, 06:25:35 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 20, 2023, 01:50:44 PM
....
Was there any doubt it was going to be woke?
The interesting thing is this:
It's a totally not 5e clone
Presumably published under ORC or some other custom license
What's WotC going to do about it?
How Open is the license they are going to use?
Are there ANY cool mechanics or innovations?
That's the stuff I'm really curious about.
All very good questions!
Unfortunately, I don't think any of that matters any more:
Quote from: KOBOLD PRESS TWITTER on January 20, 2023, 01:50:44 PM
https://twitter.com/KoboldPress/status/1617915504710111232
A Kobold is on the rise!
Reintroducing Chelsea Steverson, who's now our Marketing Director!
Read about her now!
💖: https://koboldpress.com/welcome-new-marketing-director-chelsea-dot-steverson/
📸:
@masonwarddng
| #RaiseTheFlag
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnPQyCbWAAIM2QH?format=jpg&name=large)
Between Paizo, BFRP sliding woke, and Kobold... I wonder how many of the ORC-based SRDs won't be shoving their politics down their users' throats.
I'm fully expecting gender-fluid elves with dangerhair as their natural hair color range, a dwarven "non-binary" culture with bearded female dwarves indistinguishable from the males and descriptions of halfling relations with humans that will make NAMBLA ecstatic. Orcs will be noble and misunderstood by oppressive humans.
"Dot brings a wealth of marketing experience to Kobold Press, serving as Marketing and Communications Director for various businesses over the last 10 years, including non-profits, education institutions, live production, and gaming events. In addition, she has been an influential presence in the tabletop community over the last 6 years as both a producer and creator. We are thrilled about her new role at Kobold Press and her plans as marketing lead for Project Black Flag and our other titles moving forward."
Completely ignoring Black Flag now and adding Kobold Press to my ignore list.
8) Well someone must say it: That balayaged fuschia hair is en flique. ;) I have been slain.
Am I doing the young and hip talk right? ;D (Seriously though, I am a little jealous. In my day unnatural hair dyes were a bit more harsh and strictly in primary and secondary colors.)
Quote from: MerrillWeathermay on January 19, 2023, 06:46:12 PM
Are white males actually allowed to participate?
Here is their brand spanking new Marketing Director.
https://koboldpress.com/welcome-new-marketing-director-chelsea-dot-steverson/
You draw your own conclusions about how much input will come from anyone with pale skin and uses his dick correctly.
Whatever. I'll reserve any judgment until I see the actual product. It's not like I'm excited for it anyway. I already have 5e and can play it however the hell I want. If Black Flag is just going to be a shameless 5e clone with no real innovation, I'll have about as much interest in it as I do with 90% of the OSR retro-clones (none).
I'm just wondering if this isn't some type of a business strategy from KP to try to wrest the woke crowd away from WotC after the latter's "sToP tHe BiGoTs" virtue signalling campaign. After all, it seems this lady is only in charge of marketing, not any actual development.
Quote from: Chris24601 on January 24, 2023, 06:48:31 PM
I'm fully expecting gender-fluid elves
Elves are fairies after all.
I'm going to check it out. Anything to help hurt WotC I am in favor of. What WotC is trying to do transcends little political gripes because WotC is challenging the entire core of open source/licenses and big tech is starting to notice.
Kobold Press putting a single paragraph of stupid wokeness in one book is Insignificant compared to WotC trying to upend not just the RPG industry, but challenging open source itself.
Quote from: RebelSky on January 25, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
I'm going to check it out. Anything to help hurt WotC I am in favor of. What WotC is trying to do transcends little political gripes because WotC is challenging the entire core of open source/licenses and big tech is starting to notice.
Kobold Press putting a single paragraph of stupid wokeness in one book is Insignificant compared to WotC trying to upend not just the RPG industry, but challenging open source itself.
Yeah, I'm of the same mind.
Also, as colorful as she is, you can't judge someone based on looks. For every gruff looking guy who's actually super woke, there's a rowdy bitch with danger hair who's down to earth and fun.
I'm going to give it a look and a chance but not getting my hopes up.
Kind of funny, I'm not interested in playing Black Flag as much as how can I hack it to do what I want.
Kobold has been a deceptive company since 5e came out so all Black Flag is is another money grab.
Given that they are already selling future compatible products for Black Flag, it's a fair to say they intend to profit from the project. That's their prerogative as a business.
[Doesn't mean that they'll get anything from me.]
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 25, 2023, 01:17:17 PM
Also, as colorful as she is, you can't judge someone based on looks. For every gruff looking guy who's actually super woke, there's a rowdy bitch with danger hair who's down to earth and fun.
Can confirm. As a punkrocker in my youth, who dressed as gaudily and dyed his hair as garishly as any woke hipster today, plenty of people were surprised to find out I was raving capitalist with right-leaning politics. Nowadays I just look like a hillbilly, but that doesn't mean I don't throw on Dead Kennedys or Anti-flag once in a while (even if A-F are basically commies these days).
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 25, 2023, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on January 25, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
I'm going to check it out. Anything to help hurt WotC I am in favor of. What WotC is trying to do transcends little political gripes because WotC is challenging the entire core of open source/licenses and big tech is starting to notice.
Kobold Press putting a single paragraph of stupid wokeness in one book is Insignificant compared to WotC trying to upend not just the RPG industry, but challenging open source itself.
Yeah, I'm of the same mind.
Also, as colorful as she is, you can't judge someone based on looks. For every gruff looking guy who's actually super woke, there's a rowdy bitch with danger hair who's down to earth and fun.
Okay.
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 25, 2023, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on January 25, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
I'm going to check it out. Anything to help hurt WotC I am in favor of. What WotC is trying to do transcends little political gripes because WotC is challenging the entire core of open source/licenses and big tech is starting to notice.
Kobold Press putting a single paragraph of stupid wokeness in one book is Insignificant compared to WotC trying to upend not just the RPG industry, but challenging open source itself.
Yeah, I'm of the same mind.
Also, as colorful as she is, you can't judge someone based on looks. For every gruff looking guy who's actually super woke, there's a rowdy bitch with danger hair who's down to earth and fun.
I'd say it's more down to who the last several new hires at Kobold are. And I'm with you, anything that can hurt WotC is good.
Quote from: Batjon on January 25, 2023, 04:09:59 PM
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.
I believe so--I think someone was able to use it to get in touch with me a couple of weeks ago.
Quote from: Batjon on January 25, 2023, 04:09:59 PM
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.
Not on yours, no. I can see my own, but pretty sure you can't. This
might be configurable but (1) I doubt it and (2) the "account" panel options are broken at the moment (for me at least) so I can't check for such a setting.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 25, 2023, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: Batjon on January 25, 2023, 04:09:59 PM
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.
I believe so--I think someone was able to use it to get in touch with me a couple of weeks ago.
Not sure how they found your email address, but I don't think it's visible via your profile. I certainly don't see it.
Quote from: Batjon on January 25, 2023, 04:09:59 PM
Totally off subject question here....when you click on user profiles here, does it show the person's personal email? I can see mine when I click on it.
Click on someone else's and see for yourself, IME no you can't except your own.
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 25, 2023, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: RebelSky on January 25, 2023, 12:53:14 PM
I'm going to check it out. Anything to help hurt WotC I am in favor of. What WotC is trying to do transcends little political gripes because WotC is challenging the entire core of open source/licenses and big tech is starting to notice.
Kobold Press putting a single paragraph of stupid wokeness in one book is Insignificant compared to WotC trying to upend not just the RPG industry, but challenging open source itself.
Yeah, I'm of the same mind.
Also, as colorful as she is, you can't judge someone based on looks. For every gruff looking guy who's actually super woke, there's a rowdy bitch with danger hair who's down to earth and fun.
I'd say the proportion is actually something like 1:1000, meaning 1 danger hair isn't crazy. So I totally can judge people based on looks, estereotypes exist for a reason, it's shortcuts our brains take to make decisions.
You see coming towards you a group of say 5 young guys, tanktops, pants below their asses, tatoos all over, you immediatilly assume what?
Unless you are familiar enough you can't distinguish a coral viper from the ones that imitate them, are you gonna take the risk?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 04:42:57 PM
Unless you are familiar enough you can't distinguish a coral viper from the ones that imitate them, are you gonna take the risk?
Of course not, but what's the risk here? Unless you have to pay to be part of the playtest, it's just an investment of time. Talking about it keeps WotC's shenanigans fresh in everyone's mind, so they can't sweep it under the rug for the launch of OneD&D - that's worthwhile time IMO. Playtest it, give feedback, they'll accept it or not. And at a certain point you're probably going to leave anyway.
Spending money on anything from Kobold... I wouldn't.
Quote from: migo on January 25, 2023, 04:52:03 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 04:42:57 PM
Unless you are familiar enough you can't distinguish a coral viper from the ones that imitate them, are you gonna take the risk?
Of course not, but what's the risk here? Unless you have to pay to be part of the playtest, it's just an investment of time. Talking about it keeps WotC's shenanigans fresh in everyone's mind, so they can't sweep it under the rug for the launch of OneD&D - that's worthwhile time IMO. Playtest it, give feedback, they'll accept it or not. And at a certain point you're probably going to leave anyway.
Spending money on anything from Kobold... I wouldn't.
Those are two different questions:
Can/should you judge if someone with danger hair IS a danger hair? I say yes.
Is Black Flag something of value for the hobby? I say yes, even if just for the reasons you cited assuming it's utter shit (and we don't know how good/bad, woke/unwoke it is yet).
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 04:42:57 PM
I'd say the proportion is actually something like 1:1000, meaning 1 danger hair isn't crazy. So I totally can judge people based on looks, estereotypes exist for a reason, it's shortcuts our brains take to make decisions.
Yeah, well, if you decide 999/1000 danger hairs are crazy, then you will stop talking with them and so you will never know. That's the definition of prejudice.
It's the same as someone saying "He had an American flag on his pickup truck, so I knew he was a white supremacist." We all know that's ridiculous, but it cuts both ways.
Unless you're repeatedly getting screwed over by danger hairs (in real life, not Twitter), you're operating on prejudice. Which is fine if that's how you want to be.
Actions are important, not looks.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 04:42:57 PM
You see coming towards you a group of say 5 young guys, tanktops, pants below their asses, tatoos all over, you immediatilly assume what?
I clutch my pearls? I dunno, man. I assume they're going to be loud jackasses, but probably just regular dudes.
If you're facing threat of violence, then it's smart to avoid people who look violent. Prejudice and stereotype can save your life, absolutely.
But we are talking about elf games, man. Context and perspective.
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 25, 2023, 05:13:30 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 04:42:57 PM
I'd say the proportion is actually something like 1:1000, meaning 1 danger hair isn't crazy. So I totally can judge people based on looks, estereotypes exist for a reason, it's shortcuts our brains take to make decisions.
Yeah, well, if you decide 999/1000 danger hairs are crazy, then you will stop talking with them and so you will never know. That's the definition of prejudice.
It's the same as someone saying "He had an American flag on his pickup truck, so I knew he was a white supremacist." We all know that's ridiculous, but it cuts both ways.
Unless you're repeatedly getting screwed over by danger hairs (in real life, not Twitter), you're operating on prejudice. Which is fine if that's how you want to be.
Actions are important, not looks.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 04:42:57 PM
You see coming towards you a group of say 5 young guys, tanktops, pants below their asses, tatoos all over, you immediatilly assume what?
I clutch my pearls? I dunno, man. I assume they're going to be loud jackasses, but probably just regular dudes.
If you're facing threat of violence, then it's smart to avoid people who look violent. Prejudice and stereotype can save your life, absolutely.
But we are talking about elf games, man. Context and perspective.
So I should wait until someone tries to ruin my life or threatens violence BEFORE taking rational steps to avoid getting into those sittuations...
Nope, you can call me all the istophobes you want, once upon a time those words held power, NOW? IDGAFF what labels people want to try and stick to me.
If avoiding all the people that dress like thugs makes me a prejudiced individual so be it. Same with the Danger Hairs.
Would you say the same about a guy that dresses like an officer of the SS? Not to go to a party, not as a joke/prank or to be edgy, someone who goes out everyday dressed like an officer of the SS.
I bet you would make some very reasonable assumptions about the guy.
If you wear che guevara T-Shirts it's safe to assume you a commie.
If you die your hair in unnatural colors it's safe to assume you a Danger Hair.
Don't want to be judged a thug, Danger Hair, Nazi, Commie? Don't looking like one is the first step, and that's on YOU not the people judging your looks and assuming you're a part of the group you look like.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 05:24:53 PM
So I should wait until someone tries to ruin my life or threatens violence BEFORE taking rational steps to avoid getting into those sittuations...
Nope, you can call me all the istophobes you want, once upon a time those words held power, NOW? IDGAFF what labels people want to try and stick to me.
If avoiding all the people that dress like thugs makes me a prejudiced individual so be it. Same with the Danger Hairs.
Would you say the same about a guy that dresses like an officer of the SS? Not to go to a party, not as a joke/prank or to be edgy, someone who goes out everyday dressed like an officer of the SS.
I bet you would make some very reasonable assumptions about the guy.
If you wear che guevara T-Shirts it's safe to assume you a commie.
If you die your hair in unnatural colors it's safe to assume you a Danger Hair.
Don't want to be judged a thug, Danger Hair, Nazi, Commie? Don't looking like one is the first step, and that's on YOU not the people judging your looks and assuming you're a part of the group you look like.
This went from fuchsia hair to full-time SS uniform pretty quick, my friend.
I personally have friends with a wide range of appearances and they're all pretty chill. Not a commie, nazi, etc among them. I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life. But I agree avoiding violence is good, so do what you need to do.
Edit: Not every fashion choice is a declaration of ideology. Lots of regular normal everyday people look how they look because they think it looks cool/sexy/nice/scary, etc.
There are tentative, preliminary assessments, and then there's more firm, even final ones. Based on what has been said, shown thus fair, I'm going to tentatively make my preliminary assessment that the game is probably not going to be even worth my time to evaluate. What's the worst that will happen? I'll miss out on something I might like.
When there is a real product, and it's been out for awhile, and others that make a different assessment of their time have given it reviews that make me question my preliminary view, then I'll probably think again. What's the worst that can happen? I'll miss out on something for a year or two--during which time it was probably not going to be a priority anyway. So effectively, no risk.
It's only an elf game cuts both ways.
Meet the senior game designer for the project:
https://twitter.com/cconowitch (https://twitter.com/cconowitch)
If you had ANY doubts it was gonna be woke as fuck.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 06:18:43 PM
Meet the senior game designer for the project:
https://twitter.com/cconowitch (https://twitter.com/cconowitch)
If you had ANY doubts it was gonna be woke as fuck.
If we DON'T get dangerhaired genderfluid elves, nonbinary dwarves, halflings who tick all the NAMBLA fetish boxes, oppressed orcs in tune with nature and all ciswhite males take a -5 to all stats as reparations for past oppressions, then I'm going to accuse them of being insufficiently woke for 2023 Seattle values.
Make the bastards live up to their own idiot standards. Then mock them for their idiot standards.
Black Flag is not going to save the D&D community.
From the newest Kobold Press newsletter, see image below.
Quote from: Batjon on January 25, 2023, 10:46:16 PM
Black Flag is not going to save the D&D community.
The point is just to damage WotC. The point would also be to split up support between Paizo and Kobold. If Paizo becomes the 800 pound gorilla with PF2e, they're just as woke as WotC, so that doesn't help us. If defection from WotC and D&D is more evenly distributed, that overall weakens the power SJWs have over the hobby as a whole. If people are wondering if they should go to PF2e or Black Flag, the comparison obviously invites suggestions for other systems as well. Which could mean Savage Worlds or Castles & Crusades, and strengthening either of them would only be good.
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 25, 2023, 05:34:21 PM
This went from fuchsia hair to full-time SS uniform pretty quick, my friend.
I'm sure there's already an anime waifu in that very combination. 8) Probably with a gundam mech not too far away, too.
Quote from: migo on January 26, 2023, 05:13:56 AM
Quote from: Batjon on January 25, 2023, 10:46:16 PM
Black Flag is not going to save the D&D community.
The point is just to damage WotC. The point would also be to split up support between Paizo and Kobold. If Paizo becomes the 800 pound gorilla with PF2e, they're just as woke as WotC, so that doesn't help us. If defection from WotC and D&D is more evenly distributed, that overall weakens the power SJWs have over the hobby as a whole. If people are wondering if they should go to PF2e or Black Flag, the comparison obviously invites suggestions for other systems as well. Which could mean Savage Worlds or Castles & Crusades, and strengthening either of them would only be good.
Take a look at my post just above and you will see that Kobold Press is every bit as woke. That ad is for raising money for the Trevor Project. Google that if you are not familiar.
Quote from: Opaopajr on January 26, 2023, 06:00:01 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 25, 2023, 05:34:21 PM
This went from fuchsia hair to full-time SS uniform pretty quick, my friend.
I'm sure there's already an anime waifu in that very combination...
Because I have high curiosity and poor impulse control... it took me less than 30 seconds to find that combination on the internet. ;D
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 06:18:43 PM
Meet the senior game designer for the project:
https://twitter.com/cconowitch (https://twitter.com/cconowitch)
If you had ANY doubts it was gonna be woke as fuck.
Strangely enough, I'm an hour in to this chat and she's actually given some solid RPG design advice. So, I have some hope, at least mechanically, for Black Flag. Now, what happens in the fluff text remains to be seen.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1713146129 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1713146129)
Quote from: zircher on January 26, 2023, 12:50:08 PM
Strangely enough, I'm an hour in to this chat and she's actually given some solid RPG design advice. So, I have some hope, at least mechanically, for Black Flag. Now, what happens in the fluff text remains to be seen.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1713146129 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1713146129)
One can be both thoroughly progressive and a good game designer--see Jonathan "I'll use my games to raise money for Planned Parenthood" Tweet.
Quote from: Batjon on January 26, 2023, 11:41:26 AM
Quote from: migo on January 26, 2023, 05:13:56 AM
Quote from: Batjon on January 25, 2023, 10:46:16 PM
Black Flag is not going to save the D&D community.
The point is just to damage WotC. The point would also be to split up support between Paizo and Kobold. If Paizo becomes the 800 pound gorilla with PF2e, they're just as woke as WotC, so that doesn't help us. If defection from WotC and D&D is more evenly distributed, that overall weakens the power SJWs have over the hobby as a whole. If people are wondering if they should go to PF2e or Black Flag, the comparison obviously invites suggestions for other systems as well. Which could mean Savage Worlds or Castles & Crusades, and strengthening either of them would only be good.
Take a look at my post just above and you will see that Kobold Press is every bit as woke. That ad is for raising money for the Trevor Project. Google that if you are not familiar.
Take a look at my post that you quoted. You're missing the point.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 05:04:03 PM
Is Black Flag something of value for the hobby? I say yes, even if just for the reasons you cited assuming it's utter shit (and we don't know how good/bad, woke/unwoke it is yet).
Ive been ripped off by Kobold before and so the coral snake is still the coral snake and Black Flag I will be expecting to be another standard substandard cash in by them. If not an outright rip-off. Once burned. Twice burned. Not buying the "but they have changed!" gag again.
Quote from: Omega on January 27, 2023, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 05:04:03 PM
Is Black Flag something of value for the hobby? I say yes, even if just for the reasons you cited assuming it's utter shit (and we don't know how good/bad, woke/unwoke it is yet).
Ive been ripped off by Kobold before and so the coral snake is still the coral snake and Black Flag I will be expecting to be another standard substandard cash in by them. If not an outright rip-off. Once burned. Twice burned. Not buying the "but they have changed!" gag again.
I don't expect them to have changed. I don't expect them to not be infested with SJWs. I simply expect participating in and talking about the playtest to maintain ill will against WotC, so they don't get away with their bullshit. And I expect Black Flag to spread out the defection from D&D 5e over two systems instead of the otherwise most likely result which is for them to go straight to PF2e.
Quote from: migo on January 27, 2023, 04:12:05 AM
Quote from: Omega on January 27, 2023, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 05:04:03 PM
Is Black Flag something of value for the hobby? I say yes, even if just for the reasons you cited assuming it's utter shit (and we don't know how good/bad, woke/unwoke it is yet).
Ive been ripped off by Kobold before and so the coral snake is still the coral snake and Black Flag I will be expecting to be another standard substandard cash in by them. If not an outright rip-off. Once burned. Twice burned. Not buying the "but they have changed!" gag again.
I don't expect them to have changed. I don't expect them to not be infested with SJWs. I simply expect participating in and talking about the playtest to maintain ill will against WotC, so they don't get away with their bullshit. And I expect Black Flag to spread out the defection from D&D 5e over two systems instead of the otherwise most likely result which is for them to go straight to PF2e.
I'm not sure what to do here. Kobold/Black Flag are obvious SJW Dangerhairs who probably cannot be trusted, but the ruthlessly evil 800 lb Gorilla of Hasbro needs to be taken down a peg or two. For now, I will just sit back and watch the shitshow, while quietly boycotting Hasbro.
Quote from: Spinachcat on January 20, 2023, 07:00:24 PM
If WotC really had the power to go after anyone who published a Not-D&D game with D&D-ish contents, TSR would have chased down Palladium, Chaosium, Games Workshop (Warhammer) and most importantly, Origins (Ultima), Wizardry and Blizzard (Warcraft) back in the 80s and 90s.
The first went after WotC, and the second TSR, for incorporating elements from
their D&Dish games. And WotC went after someone for making Rust Monster plushies. So if you don't think they'll go after folks using things like Gelatinous Cubes and other IP which originated with D&D you're out of luck, as I'm all out of bridges to sell.
Quote from: jhkim on January 21, 2023, 01:09:48 AM
In the 2022 domestic box office, MCU movies were still #2 and #3 of the top five. Here they are:
#1. Top Gun: Maverick -> $718M
#2. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever -> $436M
#3. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness -> $411M
#4. Avatar: The Way of Water -> $401M
#5. Jurassic World: Dominion -> $376M
Note that Avatar: The Way of Water is only #4 because it came out just before the new year. It has gone on to make $578M domestically and is currently still the top movie in the U.S.
I think there's clearly still a big market for CGI sci-fi/fantasy action movies.
And it's going to have to make those numbers in order to be worth it in the eyes of Hasbro.
Also keep in mind they're trying to establish a lifestyle brand, so the movie must have enough identifiable and emulatable D&Dism to do that. And we're not just talking action figures here. So are any of the characters iconic enough to cosplay? Are there elements of the world which can be smoothly transitioned into our daily lives? Because so far it doesn't seem so.
Quote from: Jaeger on January 24, 2023, 06:25:35 PM
Unfortunately, I don't think any of that matters any more:
Quote from: KOBOLD PRESS TWITTER on January 20, 2023, 01:50:44 PM
https://twitter.com/KoboldPress/status/1617915504710111232
A Kobold is on the rise!
Reintroducing Chelsea Steverson, who's now our Marketing Director!
Read about her now!
💖: https://koboldpress.com/welcome-new-marketing-director-chelsea-dot-steverson/
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@masonwarddng
| #RaiseTheFlag
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 25, 2023, 06:18:43 PM
Meet the senior game designer for the project:
https://twitter.com/cconowitch (https://twitter.com/cconowitch)
If you had ANY doubts it was gonna be woke as fuck.
Black Flag? More like RED Flag. Amirite?
Seriously though I hate that this is a reasonable conclusion to make.
Quote from: Batjon on January 25, 2023, 10:46:16 PM
Black Flag is not going to save the D&D community.
From the newest Kobold Press newsletter, see image below.
And speaking of red, @little_red_dot was one of the
multiple women assaulted by Kobold Press freelancer and GenCon staffer Daisy Grant, who roomed with her during the Con (https://archive.is/Ud7yH). At least Kobold Press made a statement (https://archive.is/wnLGb), which is more than I can say of GenCon. So despite all the safety tools and safe space advocacy these folks seem completely oblivious to the bad actors within their midst. And had Daisy not been trans I'm certain this would have been addressed far sooner. Because it's not that trans people are more likely to do this sort of thing, but that these folks are less likely to hold them accountable when they do, and until that changes these spaces will remain unsafe.
Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on January 27, 2023, 05:45:00 AM
I'm not sure what to do here. Kobold/Black Flag are obvious SJW Dangerhairs who probably cannot be trusted, but the ruthlessly evil 800 lb Gorilla of Hasbro needs to be taken down a peg or two. For now, I will just sit back and watch the shitshow, while quietly boycotting Hasbro.
With WotC's conditional surrender, I think a lot of the wind has been taken out of the sails of ORC as well as Kobold and Black Flag. They're probably going to go ahead with it anyway, but I don't see the benefit to participating in the playtest and giving them exposure anymore. So just sit back and watch is the best.
Quote from: migo on January 28, 2023, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on January 27, 2023, 05:45:00 AM
I'm not sure what to do here. Kobold/Black Flag are obvious SJW Dangerhairs who probably cannot be trusted, but the ruthlessly evil 800 lb Gorilla of Hasbro needs to be taken down a peg or two. For now, I will just sit back and watch the shitshow, while quietly boycotting Hasbro.
With WotC's conditional surrender, I think a lot of the wind has been taken out of the sails of ORC as well as Kobold and Black Flag. They're probably going to go ahead with it anyway, but I don't see the benefit to participating in the playtest and giving them exposure anymore. So just sit back and watch is the best.
The benefit?
Besides helping reduce Wotzi's share of the market if even by a small percentage? Yeah I also don't see the benefit on giving them exposure...
(I need a facepalm emoji)