So, that's the question: if someone were to make a new edition of Greyhawk, would you pick it up, assuming the price is in the ballpark of what we see for (non-Ptolus) campaign setting?
And if you don't see your choice on the poll, click "Other", and explain below.
Also, what would you want in a new edition? Fluff updates? A reset? As-is, just in greater detail? Lots and lots of pretty maps?
I voted "Yes, regardless", but that'd be with the proviso I'd want to hear about any sort of setting changes beforehand.
I couldn't vote for both 4e and 3.x versions, so didn't vote. voted "other."
I'd only buy it if the mecahnics are strong and there's a lot of crunch. I've already got more fluff for settings (including Greyhawk) then I'll ever be able to use, so a book of that's primarily that wouldn't interest me at all.
Quote from: James McMurrayI couldn't vote for both 4e and 3.x versions, so didn't vote.
I'd only buy it if the mecahnics are strong and there's a lot of crunch. I've already got more fluff for settings (including Greyhawk) then I'll ever be able to use, so a book of that's primarily that wouldn't interest me at all.
Crap. I meant to make it so you could vote for multiple options. I don't know if any of the ModAdmins can fix that or not.
Before I vote (to see if the admins can fix it), I just want to thank you and let you know I'm honored to be included.
Although, that could just be my ego and you could really be talking about the Yggsburgh/Dunfalcon from EGG....
Yup - might have to change the name...
i was going to vote "yes, any edition" but then thought about it. a greyhawk CS with updated to 4e stuff would have to adjust for warlords, dragonborn, etc. with that in mind, i had to say "other". i'd get the greyhawk CS for any edition but 4e, and actually the more statless, the better. more fluff, less crunch.
Quote from: James J SkachBefore I vote (to see if the admins can fix it), I just want to thank you and let you know I'm honored to be included.
Although, that could just be my ego and you could really be talking about the Yggsburgh/Dunfalcon from EGG....
Yup - might have to change the name...
It's not your ego. I've been following your project with marked interest. :)
I voted Dunfalcon! because if I'm going to buy Greyhawk, I want Gary Gygax Greyhawk. (I think Dunfalcon is the Yggsburgh option, right?)
Although I'm not really looking to buy *any* campaign settings at the moment...
See? I'm going to have to change the name. Honestly, I just found the existing Dunfalcon stuff this morning. And that's weird because I had done a bunch of searches when I got the domain name, which I do have...
No, Stuart - Zach's referring to my little mapping/d20 haven/living campaign effort, Dunfalcon (http://www.d20haven.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=13). Sorry to disappoint....
I voted for - what else - Dunfalcon!
Never liked Greyhawk. Found it boring and uninspired. I do have great memories as it was the first campaign setting I bought and used.
Quote from: Consonant DudeNever liked Greyhawk. Found it boring and uninspired. I do have great memories as it was the first campaign setting I bought and used.
I have great memories of opening it up. All those little shields. The details. The map.
Seanchai
I already have 1e Greyhawk and the 3e Living Greyhawk thingamabob.
I don't see any way in which I need a new version, but I'd buy one for 4e... if I like 4e when it comes out, anyways.
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Quote from: SeanchaiI have great memories of opening it up. All those little shields. The details. The map.
My hands were shaking. I couldn't wait to get home and opened it in the car on the way back. I was still a pre-teen. My English was terrible, every sentence necessitated time to be understood.
I sure hope that there are products/things that have the same effect on kids today.
That was my experience also. The coats-of-arms in the Gazetteer sucked me in, the huge map in the box did the rest. I didn't find it boring at all.
No, I wouldn't want to buy another one. The official setting is hopelessly encrusted in canon, while Yggsburgh is as exciting as a sack of potatoes.
Nope. Never heard an interesting thing about it, never cared to go hunting around in bargain bins for books last published in 1981 or whenever.
I said yes, regardless. But thinking about it, I'm not actually that interested in Gary's Greyhawk - we more or less have that. I'm more interested in Erik Mona's Greyhawk now.
The version of greyhawk that I by far loved the best was From the Ashes; in fact its one of the only 2e AD&D products I still own (out of MANY, believe me).
If they released a version of Greyhawk that was as good or better than Ashes, then I'd be interested.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditThe version of greyhawk that I by far loved the best was From the Ashes; in fact its one of the only 2e AD&D products I still own (out of MANY, believe me).
If they released a version of Greyhawk that was as good or better than Ashes, then I'd be interested.
RPGPundit
I was lameting the state of my old World of Greyhawk Gazeteer when I remembered I had From the Ashes. The map is almost exactly the same (the latest one from Paizo was a bit different) and there's a lot of material I'll re-explore tonight. The boxed set is immaculate - it's like it just came out of the shrink wrap.
Quote from: Consonant DudeMy hands were shaking. I couldn't wait to get home and opened it in the car on the way back. I was still a pre-teen. My English was terrible, every sentence necessitated time to be understood.
I sure hope that there are products/things that have the same effect on kids today.
Kids? Hell, I love it when products have that effect on
me! (Although, yeah, grow the hobby.)
I think Ptolus was probably the most recent. I did the monthly installments deal and one day, I came home and there was a very heavy box waiting for me. I opened it up. There was a huge book...but then all these other products began to compete for my attention. Maps. Letters. CDs. It was awesome.
Seanchai
Quote from: SeanchaiKids? Hell, I love it when products have that effect on me! (Although, yeah, grow the hobby.)
I think Ptolus was probably the most recent. I did the monthly installments deal and one day, I came home and there was a very heavy box waiting for me. I opened it up. There was a huge book...but then all these other products began to compete for my attention. Maps. Letters. CDs. It was awesome.
Seanchai
I love that feeling.
Quote from: Zachary The FirstI love that feeling.
You can get a used copy on amazon for 220$ or a brand new one for 595$.:)
Quote from: AosYou can get a used copy on amazon for 220$ or a brand new one for 595$.:)
Ehh...I'm good, thanks. :)
I voted for Dunfalcon, those maps are inspiring, espec the B+W one. :)
I...ummm...I'm speechless....
Here's a preview of the migration map!
Quote from: beeberi was going to vote "yes, any edition" but then thought about it. a greyhawk CS with updated to 4e stuff would have to adjust for warlords, dragonborn, etc. with that in mind, i had to say "other". i'd get the greyhawk CS for any edition but 4e, and actually the more statless, the better. more fluff, less crunch.
Not necessarily. You'd just cut out a bunch of that, you'd be paying someone to tell you to ignore certain monsters and classes, and I guess maybe some tone setting. After that Greyhawk isn't a lot more than a map with a collection of country descriptions and a number of names of note, many of which are just bad wordplays from Gary's home game. And personal gaming memories. So my old box set would do fine methinks.
EDIT: I guess there are all those old modules set in Greyhawk that would require restating and maybe in cases some restructuring. Zachary, are you meaning those to be included?
Quote from: blakkieEDIT: I guess there are all those old modules set in Greyhawk that would require restating and maybe in cases some restructuring. Zachary, are you meaning those to be included?
Your discretion. I was thinking like a core, decent-size campaign setting tome, but that's an interesting point. There'd be a lot to restat, if one was to go back and do so (I just convert mine on the fly..).
You know, I might actually buy it if it was system generic. Statless but with varying NPC write-ups and some maps (to scale but not necessarily on a grid). So that's where I'm going to slot my vote. I'd understand if why a company might choose to "clutter it up" with with 4e stats (and I really wouldn't get why they'd do so with stats from any prior edition). But I wouldn't particularly like that and it'd be much lower chance I'd buy it.
What would increase my interest is including the modules, basically stripped of stats. Some of those are already have a low percentage of stats. Sure an adventure w/o stats sounds kind of wierd but it sounds like they are changing monsters to be more scalar anyway. So you just start with a name, look it up in the MM (MM2, MM3, etc. ;) ) and scale it to how you want it in relation to the PCs (at that time).
EDIT: BTW that is by far my least favourite things about Ptolus, the stats. I'd like that book a lot more if it didn't have those. You can say "well skip them" but I still find them in the way, and ultimately adding bulk. Obviously a subjective thing, but.... *shrug*
I'm hoping that Dunfalcon ends up system-less...
I say, "I hope" because you never know. But I'm looking to leave the specifics to the people who use it. Explanations about magic, divine or arcane or whatever, will be as vague as possible. Any NPC stuff will be descriptive, not statistical...
As I said, I hope...
Quote from: James J SkachI'm hoping that Dunfalcon ends up system-less...
I would prefer that too. The crew and I are looking for a setting for our
C&C campaign. I gave them the link to the
Dunfalcon thread. There's some interest amongst them. One of my ideas is to mesh stuff from Sargent's
Greyhawk articles with
Dunfalcon.
Regards,
David R
You just made my weekend, David. If there is interest, let anyone who would like to that I'm totally open to input of any kind. Can't promise what I'll do with it, but bring it, people :D
Quote from: Consonant DudeNever liked Greyhawk. Found it boring and uninspired. I do have great memories as it was the first campaign setting I bought and used.
^
What he said.