https://www.palladiumbooks.com/about-palladium/weekly-updates/1072-palladium-books-weekly-update-march-22-2019
While likely going to make the same mistakes they have made over the past few years. While learning nothing except not using Kickstarter. So they can publish the new material one or two years late if ever. While pocketing the money for something else. Yes I don't trust them as a company.
although I thought the youtube interview was all softball questions and sunshine, I certainly dont discourage him from doing more of that kinda stuff. Dude needs to rejoin the community instead of hiding out so damn much.
If it would actually mean a step in the right direction I would agree. Instead even with the extra money chances are good nothing will change. Instead his new scheme is to not use Kickstarter because he blew up thst bridge and no restrictions or accountability. After all kevin could hide behind the "no one forced any of you to send me money " routine.
Either he holds the fans in utter contempt or too stupid or both to try asking them (beg for cash ) to pay for the books. Or worse desperate. As I cannot see why he would go back and beg the fans for money. Especially after royally screwing over and ripping off so many of them.
Here is the deal Palladium is offering
http://palladium-store.com/1001/category/Megaverse-Insider.html
TL;DR - you can pay PB money to put your name in the book, or get a character in the book named after you.
I imagine the Rifts Bestiary books will do well. It's a Monster Manual in two volumes. I have the other "monster" books for Rifts and they were highly creative.
Anyone who gives money to Palladium books for anything other than a physical book on a shelf is a damn fool.
Even than the Bestiary is mostly recycled rehash from as many existing resources as possible. From existing Rifters, sourcebooks etc. It's one thing to beg for cash for new material. It's another for a book that contains mostly rehash and shows both PB and by extension that Kevin has absolutely no shame.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1080499Anyone who gives money to Palladium books for anything other than a physical book on a shelf is a damn fool.
At this point anyone who does suffers from some kind of mental illness or a glutton for punishment. Knowing the company poor publication history and still throwing money at them is being a damn fool.
Quote from: sureshot;1080539Even than the Bestiary is mostly recycled rehash from as many existing resources as possible. From existing Rifters, sourcebooks etc. It's one thing to beg for cash for new material. It's another for a book that contains mostly rehash and shows both PB and by extension that Kevin has absolutely no shame.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1080499Anyone who gives money to Palladium books for anything other than a physical book on a shelf is a damn fool.
At this point anyone who does suffers from some kind of mental illness or a glutton for punishment. Knowing the company poor publication history and still throwing money at them is being a damn fool.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1080499Anyone who gives money to Palladium books for anything other than a physical book on a shelf is a damn fool.
You mean any company there, chief.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080550You mean any company there, chief.
Nope. Reaper did a kickstarter for their Bones line, and finished it as promised.
What happened with Kickstarter?
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1080552Nope. Reaper did a kickstarter for their Bones line, and finished it as promised.
If I remember correctly, they were also very, very late. Again, the issue is that trusting ANY company before you have their product in your hand runs the risk of having your money taken. It doesn't matter the record of success, don't buy promises, buy products.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556If I remember correctly, they were also very, very late.
I hadn't heard. AFAIK they got it done on time.
QuoteAgain, the issue is that trusting ANY company before you have their product in your hand runs the risk of having your money taken. It doesn't matter the record of success, don't buy promises, buy products.
In Reaper's case, they had a solid plan to retool their metal line to produce plastic Bones versions, and they used Kickstarter to hasten the already-underway process. A far cry from Palladium, with a track record of not delivering, being late, and generally being the company of innane nerd drama, begging for cash repeatedly to cover their poor business decisions.
While any participating in kickstarter is a gamble, some gambles have better odds than others.
Quote from: Trond;1080553What happened with Kickstarter?
Palladium? The Robotech RPG Tactics kickstarter was a predictable failure for Palladium Books.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/2120399
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1080562Palladium? The Robotech RPG Tactics kickstarter was a predictable failure for Palladium Books.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/2120399
Thanks! Palladium is always such a dumpster fire, I can hardly think of an RPG company with a worse reputation.
I won't buy another thing from Palladium after the Robotech Kickstarter debacle.
It's the Palladium Games 17th Annual Going Out of Business Sale!
JG
Just a few things that stand out to me:
Quote6. Items Lost in the Mail is YOUR risk.
This kind of says it all. I don't know of any business other than unscrupulous ebayers or outright scammers who would make that kind of policy. Luckily, with KS you don't have to choose one or the other.
QuoteIN MEMORIAM: $5 – CAT. NO. 12032
You can list the name of a loved one who has passed away recently or long ago, but whom you'd like to acknowledge.
Once upon a time, I called Kevin Siembieda "ghoulish". This is an example of why. The very fact this occurred to him as a separate category that he could charge for just speaks volumes.
QuoteThe Palladium RPG® Crimson Hardcover and the original Rifts® Gold Hardcover sell for $300-$600 on the collectors' market, and they had press runs of 500 and 600 copies, respectively. (FYI: The Rifts® Ultimate Gold Edition had a press run of 1,500 copies and it still regularly commands three and four times the original selling price.)
A copy of Palladium Crimson is on ebay right now for $150 with free shipping. It's a far cry for even the low of $300. People may list Palladium hardcovers at $300 to $600, but they never sell.
I got my Rifts Gold for $30 on ebay. There's one languishing on ebay right now for $195 having been relisted at least once, and it will probably languish for some time at that price. Market value is probably somewhere in the $70 to $100 range,and that might be optimistic.
My research has shown that Rifts Ultimate Gold likely had a print run of over 1,500 (Palladium claimed the run was limited, but just kept on printing extra copies). The book was initially sold for $70 direct through Palladium Books' webstore. Ebay currently has a copy of this book wasting away for $150. It looks like the actual reasonable expected price of the book is somewhere between $130 and $160 on ebay as two copies have sold in recent memory at those price points.
Yes, I know he's trying to hype up the value of the books, but this is a recurring and dishonest marketing scheme which he uses meant to target and take advantage of low information obsessive collectors which do seem to make up a large percentage of his fanbase. And I say that as someone who used to be one of those. As such, it kind of pisses me off.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556If I remember correctly, they were also very, very late. Again, the issue is that trusting ANY company before you have their product in your hand runs the risk of having your money taken. It doesn't matter the record of success, don't buy promises, buy products.
Not very, very. They were a couple months beyond their expectations. They maintained excellent communications throughout, addressing the the delays well in advance of missing the deadlines and keeping the backers informed on their progress. They have successfully conducted at least 3 Bones KS, I only stopped after #2 because as it stands now I'm set for minis to paint for at least two or three decades.
As far as I'm concerned Reaper has been a model of how a KS should be run.
Palladium on the other hand makes me wonder if I'm a fool for not starting a "Give money to the Toadmaster to buy crap he wants" Go Fund Me.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556If I remember correctly, they were also very, very late.
As has been noted, you do not remember correctly.
Quote from: Gabriel2;1080578Quote6. Items Lost in the Mail is YOUR risk.
This kind of says it all. I don't know of any business other than unscrupulous ebayers or outright scammers who would make that kind of policy. Luckily, with KS you don't have to choose one or the other.
Too bad the USPS, and just about any payment service out there disagrees with them on this.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556If I remember correctly, they were also very, very late.
As has been noted by others, you do not remember correctly.
Quote from: WARDUKE;1080575I won't buy another thing from Palladium after the Robotech Kickstarter debacle.
Hey! Nice avatar! :)
Quote from: Toadmaster;1080581Not very, very. They were a couple months beyond their expectations.
Reaper were several months late on Bones #1 - I think it's been the same with the sequels, so they probably ought to add some slack to their delivery estimates. I pledged for #1 and was pretty happy, but passed on the sequels and just picked up a few individual minis from resellers.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1080740Hey! Nice avatar! :)
Ha! You, too, Ratman.
Quote from: kythri;1080586As has been noted, you do not remember correctly.
Reaper did so poorly on their Bones KS that they are currently fulfilling their 4th one...
Which is, running a couple of months late.
But then again, ask Robotech Tactics Kickstarters about "Wave Two"...
Palladium pretty much keeps surviving on account of the goodwill of a tiny group of absolute fanatics.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1081868Palladium pretty much keeps surviving on account of the goodwill of a tiny group of absolute fanatics.
Pretty much.
What gets me us the willful ignorance by them. Angered, astonished and outraged that other fans would dare to even remotely suggest PB latest Insider offer should ve boycotted. If your still suprised by the negativity towards PB euthsr you have veen living in a cave or worse purposefully ignorant.
Quote from: sureshot;1081873Pretty much.
What gets me us the willful ignorance by them. Angered, astonished and outraged that other fans would dare to even remotely suggest PB latest Insider offer should ve boycotted. If your still suprised by the negativity towards PB euthsr you have veen living in a cave or worse purposefully ignorant.
If you're boycotting the company and not buying their product you are no longer a fan and have ceases to be their customer. They should ignore you. You won't be convinced.
Quote from: Lurtch;1081954If you're boycotting the company and not buying their product you are no longer a fan and have ceases to be their customer. They should ignore you. You won't be convinced.
That seems to be their approach, customer or not.
Quote from: Lurtch;1081954If you're boycotting the company and not buying their product you are no longer a fan and have ceases to be their customer. They should ignore you. You won't be convinced.
Ah yes the galaxy sized cop-out of a counter argument. With the right GM I might join a Rifts campaign. I still sometimes read the books and see such wasted potential. Both in rules and as a company.
Unlike you Lurtch I can both enjoy and criticize an rpg company. I don't bend over backwards to make excuse for rpg companies and the owners that run them.
Considering how poorly PB and Kevin treats their fans they deserve to have the Insider fail. Thry ripped off fans of their money thsn tried to hide behind the Kickstarter terms of service.
Anyway expecting most of my post to be ignored by you as it does not fit the narrative followed by insults. Not to mention I thought I was supposed to be on your ignore list.
I didn't insult you. You're not a customer of theirs. It's interesting that you took me just simply pointing out that you're not a customer of Palladium as an insult. You don't play their games and you implied you're boycotting their products.
Here is the thing: you have a major chip on your shoulder about Kevin. And I'm not saying your hate isn't unearned or passing judgement on if they deserve it or not. But, why would a company spend two seconds trying to market anything towards somebody who doesn't like their games, doesn't buy their games, and may or may not be boycotting their products.
Kevin could come out an apologize tomorrow and it won't do anything to make you purchase their products. It's pretty clear that you want his head more than you want his games. You are childish.
Do you know what adults do when they have no interest in something? They move on. I really liked the 7th Sea but I hate the new edition. I spend no time hating on it. I won't run to a forum when John Wick faces troubles. But, I'm an adult.
Maybe you should try to grow up.
I'm not spending all my time dwelling on Kevin. If someone were to ask if they should invest in the their latest cash grab I will advise them not too. Nor is anyone forcing you to participate in this thread.
I find it funny Lurtch that your trying to call me obsessed yet went after no one else in the thread who is saying negstive things about Palladium. As for chips on shoulders your one to talk. How about you fix your on faults and flaws first begore pointing out other peoples flaws.
So I take it then I'm not on your ignore list anymore. Or am I on it when it's convient for you.
I miss the old 80's Palladium. My favourite games of theirs still remain Eric Wujcik's TMNT, Ninja and Superspies and the later Mystic China. Also, loved the Palladium Fantasy 1st. edition core.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1081975I miss the old 80's Palladium. My favourite games of theirs still remain Eric Wujcik's TMNT, Ninja and Superspies and the later Mystic China. Also, loved the Palladium Fantasy 1st. edition core.
Ninjas & Superspies is really good. My favorite Palladium product is the Compendium of Weapons Armour and Castles series. I really loved those books. The Orient book was my favorite. TMNT is really good too.
Quote from: sureshot;1081973I'm not spending all my time dwelling on Kevin. If someone were to ask if they should invest in the their latest cash grab I will advise them not too. Nor is anyone forcing you to participate in this thread.
I find it funny Lurtch that your trying to call me obsessed yet went after no one else in the thread who is saying negstive things about Palladium. As for chips on shoulders your one to talk. How about you fix your on faults and flaws first begore pointing out other peoples flaws.
So I take it then I'm not on your ignore list anymore. Or am I on it when it's convient for you.
Nobody asked you. You started the thread. I get it that you're angry. But the best thing for you would be just not to give two fucks what Palladium books does. I know you're hoping that the company fails and all of the brands you like are taken from Kevin and given to somebody else.
You're on my ignore list but it's really easy to click that little button and I have a bad habit of engaging with people when I shouldn't. Nobody is perfect.
Quote from: Lurtch;1081979Nobody asked you.
I was not aware I needed anyone permission especially yours. Again no one forced yourself or anyone else to participate in this thread. I don't get the issue here.
Yes I admit I am somewhat bitter towards PB and Kevin. As D&D 1E was my first and Robotech my second rpg to the hobby. I don't get the issue here. Are you trolling, bored or simply want to increase your post count? Perhaps to derail the thread in the hopes Pundit closes it?
Quote from: Lurtch;1081979But the best thing for you would be just not to give two fucks what Palladium books does. I know you're hoping that the company fails and all of the brands you like are taken from Kevin and given to somebody else.
I don't want the company to fail as some employees would be out of jobs. Which would be a bad thing for those employees. Yet eventually even with begging fans for cash if they maintain the status quo and change nothing the situation for them will not get better just worse. Spare me the "your a bad person for wanting a business to fail routine". If it was Wotc or some other rpg company you dislike you would be here ripping them a new one for ripping off fans. As per usual gamer geek behavior favored rpg companies are sacrosanct and above reproach while those they dislike are the span of the devil out to rip-off their fans.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1081975I miss the old 80's Palladium. My favourite games of theirs still remain Eric Wujcik's TMNT, Ninja and Superspies and the later Mystic China. Also, loved the Palladium Fantasy 1st. edition core.
Ninja and Superspies badly needs an ultimate edition or a rewrite as in terms of technology the rpg has aged badly. Actually all their rpgs like Heroes Unlimited that have technology are incredibly dated and could use a rewrite. The sad part is if they had made an effort to come out with a new edition or even just a rewriting of the core system they would be a profitable rpg company. Too little too late to do it know as they would need to borrow and/or beg for more money from the fans or some other source. While losing profit that could have gone into their pockets to others like Pinnacle with Savage Rifts.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1081975I miss the old 80's Palladium. My favourite games of theirs still remain Eric Wujcik's TMNT, Ninja and Superspies and the later Mystic China. Also, loved the Palladium Fantasy 1st. edition core.
All good games, played the heck out of them, PFRPG 1st edition is still my favorite fantasy game...
Sureshot, you started this thread to complain about Palladium "begging for money" for having what essentially is a KS campaign on their website. You have a huge chip on your shoulder and it's silly. You're bitter and you don't like Kevin then ignore them.
Also, you said if anybody asked you'd advise them not to. Nobody asked you. You started a thread to complain about a small RPG publisher in Detroit. You don't like their games and you don't like the guy writing the games. What did you hope to gain from this thread? Palladium is a niche publisher that sells products to their audience. You're mentally I'll. Seek help.
Again looks who is taking when it comes to chips on shoulders. Take a look at yourself first before critcizing others. One more fucking time I don't need to ask for your damn permission to post a thread here or elsewhere. Don't like my post or thread your not forced to respond let aline read it.
As you can't come up with a good response beyond copy and pasting a previous response I'm no longer going to respond to you in this thread. But hey feel free to copy and paste the same post a third time. You sure showed us and especially me.
I always liked the Palladium Fantasy setting. The vsriety of non-human races. Though many like trolls are way too powerful. As well as Dwarves and Elves dislike each other and went to wat and almost annihilated each other. Like too many settings past and present it does suffer from humanity being st the top of the food chain
Lurtch, are you familiar with Palladium's actions vs. fansites, its Crisis of Treachery, its first Palladium Insider and its Robotech Kickstarter?
I'm a Palladium fan and I've GM'd their games for decades, but I've had to separate my feelings for Kevin as Creator vs. Kevin as Businessman because of the numerous times Palladium has so very unfortunately shot itself in the foot, much to the detriment of its most devoted fans. There is only so much goodwill that a fandom can maintain before it just wanders away to other games.
Its sad because Palladium should be tremendously successful, just on its highly creative IPs.
If anything good came of the kickstarter debacle, its that kevin attempted to use the newest tool in business finance and bungled it so bad that he's pretty much shut off his own access to it in the future.
Following that the resounding success of the Critical Role cartoon shows him that there's tons of money in the industry through that channel if he hadn't misbehaved on an epic level.
Palladium is still my system of choice to this day, but he did it to himself. Most unfortunately, as a palladium gamer I do now have to carry the baggage of that publicity with me into any prospective new gaming groups.
Still prefer it to savage rifts though.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1082141Lurtch, are you familiar with Palladium's actions vs. fansites, its Crisis of Treachery, its first Palladium Insider and its Robotech Kickstarter?
I'm a Palladium fan and I've GM'd their games for decades, but I've had to separate my feelings for Kevin as Creator vs. Kevin as Businessman because of the numerous times Palladium has so very unfortunately shot itself in the foot, much to the detriment of its most devoted fans. There is only so much goodwill that a fandom can maintain before it just wanders away to other games.
Its sad because Palladium should be tremendously successful, just on its highly creative IPs.
I am fully aware and I completely understand people that want nothing to do with Palladium. I didn't say Sureshot was wrong for how he feels about Palladium. Palladium mismanaged tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The deserve a lot of the hate.
My point is that if you're not a customer and you are boycotting Palladium why should they give two hoots about you? Let Palladium be Palladium and find a company you like and has product you like. I don't think the seething anger is healthy. I also didn't consider these insider deals to be begging for money more than any KS is.
If Palladium didn't fuck up so much they could do a KS. I'm not giving Palladium money for this because I did back during northern Gun and how late was that book? I gave money for RTT and received duplicate pieces of plastic instead of the product i pre paid for.
Quote from: Lurtch;1082204My point is that if you're not a customer and you are boycotting Palladium why should they give two hoots about you?
Because too many of those "boycott Palladium" people are ex-Palladium customers, ex-Palladium gamers and ex-Palladium fans.
I've GM'd a lot of Palladium at game days and cons. It's sad how often the table conversation is focused on the company's missteps and how many of the players are self-described "ex-fans". That does not bode well.
Quote from: Lurtch;1082204Let Palladium be Palladium and find a company you like and has product you like.
That's exactly the long term problem for Palladium.
RPGs survive because of their fandom. If your fandom is off playing other RPGs, they aren't customers, recruiters or evangelists for you anymore.
And admittetly palladium's most ardent fans congregate on the company's own forum and are a bit of an insular bunch probably for good reason.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1082545Because too many of those "boycott Palladium" people are ex-Palladium customers, ex-Palladium gamers and ex-Palladium fans.
I've GM'd a lot of Palladium at game days and cons. It's sad how often the table conversation is focused on the company's missteps and how many of the players are self-described "ex-fans". That does not bode well.
That's exactly the long term problem for Palladium.
RPGs survive because of their fandom. If your fandom is off playing other RPGs, they aren't customers, recruiters or evangelists for you anymore.
Lapsed fans are different than people who are boycotting the company.
There is nothing Palladium can do, other than offering Kevin's head on a platter, to a lot of people.
Nobody disagrees that Palladium needs to change and their fan base is aging and shrinking. But, you know what I do? I stopped caring and I'll buy the Savage Worlds product. If the new editions come out and they are better I'll buy them .
But Kevin has been running his company for almost 40 years and I'm not going to wish him ill. Let him do him and when gets a product I want I'll buy it
The kids at my store love Palladium. Sadly, I was sick of them by TMNT. Sorry, Heroes Unlimited ruined a great system. But yeah, the teenagers still eat that stuff right up.
I liked Palladium 30 years ago because the art was great and I could get the books in India and it was hard to get RPG products there
Quote from: David Johansen;1082553The kids at my store love Palladium. Sadly, I was sick of them by TMNT. Sorry, Heroes Unlimited ruined a great system. But yeah, the teenagers still eat that stuff right up.
Unfortunately not enough of them. The company has a fanbase and it keeps shrinking. With Kevin actions doing nothing to stop the trend. With the system also not being as popular as it once was.
Heroes unlimited is about the only thing I play anymore and i'm in my mid 40s. None of my group are teenagers. Teenagers lookin for superhero campaigns rarely get palladium as a recommendation. Usually its just me and usually I get a lot of downvotes for it.
I'm a lapsed fan that would be willing to come back. My groups were never big into Rifts, but we had a good time with Heroes Unlimited and TMNT. I still throw in bits of Palladium Fantasy in my D&D games. I'd like to get updated pdfs of their stuff, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I get that their business in general is a little wonky, but they way they handled the Robotech Kickstarter is something I just can't get past.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1082621I'm a lapsed fan that would be willing to come back. My groups were never big into Rifts, but we had a good time with Heroes Unlimited and TMNT. I still throw in bits of Palladium Fantasy in my D&D games. I'd like to get updated pdfs of their stuff, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I get that their business in general is a little wonky, but they way they handled the Robotech Kickstarter is something I just can't get past.
If you cannot get past it how are you willing to come back?
Quote from: Lurtch;1082637If you cannot get past it how are you willing to come back?
Well, if they somehow managed to take responsibility for the Robotech fiasco and make it right to those backers. The odds of me hitting the Powerball jackpot are probably better than that happening. The only other way would probably be a 100% change in ownership, not that I'm holding my breath for that either.
Could always be the old fashioned type of supporter: The one that buys the physical products when they come out but knows better than to put any money down on Palladium stuff until that moment.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1082651Could always be the old fashioned type of supporter: The one that buys the physical products when they come out but knows better than to put any money down on Palladium stuff until that moment.
That's my tactic.
Mine as well
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1082650Well, if they somehow managed to take responsibility for the Robotech fiasco and make it right to those backers. The odds of me hitting the Powerball jackpot are probably better than that happening. The only other way would probably be a 100% change in ownership, not that I'm holding my breath for that either.
The Middle East has a better chance of converting to Christianity before Kevin admits to any mistakes. Given his new Insider offer has also not learnt from past mistakes either.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1082650Well, if they somehow managed to take responsibility for the Robotech fiasco and make it right to those backers. The odds of me hitting the Powerball jackpot are probably better than that happening. The only other way would probably be a 100% change in ownership, not that I'm holding my breath for that either.
So, you're not a customer or going to be a customer. That's my point. I understand and don't disagree with why you aren't a customer. But, if I'm running a business I wouldn't spend two seconds trying to appease you because it's not possible. Palladium doesn't have the money to refund people and selling my company doesn't work either. So, while you are a lapsed fan you're not a gettable fan.
I don't buy Palladium products anymore either. I'm a lapsed fan. Unless they convert to a system like BRP I'm not interested in their rules. The Savage Rifts product is better but fugly. I don't understand how PEG can see all of that great Palladium art and decide not to hire Chuck Walton or Kevin Long to do the art.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1082651Could always be the old fashioned type of supporter: The one that buys the physical products when they come out but knows better than to put any money down on Palladium stuff until that moment.
Or wait for the grab bags and get the product cheap
Quote from: Lurtch;1082677So, you're not a customer or going to be a customer. That's my point. I understand and don't disagree with why you aren't a customer. But, if I'm running a business I wouldn't spend two seconds trying to appease you because it's not possible. Palladium doesn't have the money to refund people and selling my company doesn't work either. So, while you are a lapsed fan you're not a gettable fan
For as much as of an apologist for Palladium as you are, one might think you're being paid to shill for them, but since they (as evidenced by this latest plea for cash) haven't got a pot to piss in, we can rule that out.
Seriously, what the fuck already?
Quote from: kythri;1082696For as much as of an apologist for Palladium as you are, one might think you're being paid to shill for them, but since they (as evidenced by this latest plea for cash) haven't got a pot to piss in, we can rule that out.
Seriously, what the fuck already?
Agreed and seconded. We are told we have every right not to like Paladium Books due to the many mistakes thst the company and by extension Kevin has done. Yet we also can't criticize them because apparently if we are not bending over backwards kissing Kevin's ass we are not allowed too. Who made Lurcth the authority on what we can or cannot say. It's like a broken record.
Quote from: Lurtch;1082677I don't understand how PEG can see all of that great Palladium art and decide not to hire Chuck Walton or Kevin Long to do the art.
Agreed. PEG should have definitely gotten PB's top artists to do Savage Rifts. I'm a huge fan of Chuck Walton's work (Kevin Long too).
Quote from: Spinachcat;1082754Agreed. PEG should have definitely gotten PB's top artists to do Savage Rifts. I'm a huge fan of Chuck Walton's work (Kevin Long too).
Well Pinnacle do have their own artists in house just like PB. So it makes sense they give the art to them first. Though I wish they they would get John Zelenik to do the covers for their books.
In my opinion, if you give palladium money you're not only an idiot, but you're actively hurting the RPG industry.
Quote from: asron819;1082776In my opinion, if you give palladium money you're not only an idiot, but you're actively hurting the RPG industry.
So, it's bad enough that we've got Lurtch as an apologist for Palladium, but this is equally as idiotic.
Quote from: kythri;1082789So, it's bad enough that we've got Lurtch as an apologist for Palladium, but this is equally as idiotic.
is it? one bad apple spoils the bunch I say... we've already heard of people's disgust with how they handled their kickstarter, that those same people wont support RPGs funded through KS because of trust issues...
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556It doesn't matter the record of success, don't buy promises, buy products.
This is the way it is supposed to work in capitalism. Some people prefer a handout in exchange for warm fuzzies, though.
Quote from: sureshot;1082768Well Pinnacle do have their own artists in house just like PB.
I know art is subjective, but for my dollar, PB has the best b/w artwork in any RPG since the early Warhammer books.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1082866I know art is subjective, but for my dollar, PB has the best b/w artwork in any RPG since the early Warhammer books.
I'm a fan of Chuck Walton myself yet I'm also getting tired of seeing his work in PB. As like Wayne Reynolds for Pathfinder it begins to look too much of the same thing.
In the drama-free world of offline hobby gaming, I have ZERO qualms about buying stuff from Palladium. Still one of my favourite publishers, because when I get a new book from Palladium I'm genuinely excited for the content.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1082866I know art is subjective, but for my dollar, PB has the best b/w artwork in any RPG since the early Warhammer books.
Palladium's art has always been amazing, and again, very oriented at their target demographic. The company's marketing has always actually been great; its other stuff, like their scheduling, that's been awful.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1083942Palladium's art has always been amazing, and again, very oriented at their target demographic. The company's marketing has always actually been great; its other stuff, like their scheduling, that's been awful.
Their scheduling of products being abysmal is all on them. Don't tell me as a company they have been in the business for 30+ years. Yet some how Kevin can't accurately predict how long it takes to produce and release a product. At this point Kevin should be predicting release dates in his sleep. As for art I like most of it though I cannot stand most of the Bradshaw art. To me his art takes one out of reading a product not immerse one in the book. Way too much recycling of art as well. Like many rpg companies with the release of Savage Rifts Paladium takes every opportunity to miss an opportunity.
If they had not screwed up with their robotech mini kickstarter as well as trying to scam the fans a second time with their latest Insider. Theuy could have used Pihnnacle success with Rifts to release either a new edition or simply revise and clean up their current set of rules. As they like missing opportunities, continually making and not learning from past mistakes. Well PB is a shadow of its former shelf
To be fair, every one of these fundraisers for books by palladium has resulted in the product as promised to come out. Robotech RPG Tactics.... thats interesting case. Palladium tried to do a joint venture with Ninja Division to produce the game, Ninja division wefe sappose to handle the miniatures side. They dropped the ball so hard, and and then told palladium how to fix thier issue. Turns out that was not the right answer. Now because palladium had shallower pockets, a janky system, and a very small fanbase for a now obscure franchise to draw from with zeroe experience in producing miniatures. They ended up fucking them selves hard, especially when they were trying to bail out that sinking ship. To put it in perspective Ninja Division is in trouble for the same exact ahit again, as palladium was in ROBOTECH RPGTT. So with this new evidence I think we can forgive them la little of that mustake. BTW here is the Nija Division fire Idaho gaming biz Ninja Division in trouble over Kickstarter games | Idaho Statesman - https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article225610455.html
Quote from: videopete;1083997To be fair, every one of these fundraisers for books by palladium has resulted in the product as promised to come out. Robotech RPG Tactics.... thats interesting case. Palladium tried to do a joint venture with Ninja Division to produce the game, Ninja division wefe sappose to handle the miniatures side. They dropped the ball so hard, and and then told palladium how to fix thier issue. Turns out that was not the right answer. Now because palladium had shallower pockets, a janky system, and a very small fanbase for a now obscure franchise to draw from with zeroe experience in producing miniatures. They ended up fucking them selves hard, especially when they were trying to bail out that sinking ship. To put it in perspective Ninja Division is in trouble for the same exact ahit again, as palladium was in ROBOTECH RPGTT. So with this new evidence I think we can forgive them la little of that mustake. BTW here is the Nija Division fire Idaho gaming biz Ninja Division in trouble over Kickstarter games | Idaho Statesman - https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article225610455.html
This, I think, is a point many who follow this tend to forget about. Ninja Division totally screwed up in many things...and Palladium received a lot of the flak for ND's incompetence. Siembeda probably knew blaming someone else would make him look worse...
Quote from: joewolz;1084024This, I think, is a point many who follow this tend to forget about. Ninja Division totally screwed up in many things...and Palladium received a lot of the flak for ND's incompetence. Siembeda probably knew blaming someone else would make him look worse...
Hasn't stopped him in the past...
People are saying the big rumor out of last year's open house is a new edition of Rifts in time for the next open house. Who knows if it will happen.
Quote from: Lurtch;1084125Hasn't stopped him in the past...
I don't know, this was most definitely his fuckup in a way he couldn't really weasel his way out of. I do think Ninja Division fucked him over, but this was way after he'd already screwed that particular pooch.
Quote from: Lurtch;1084125Hasn't stopped him in the past...
Yeah blaming other people for his screw-ups is practically Siembeda's primary business model.
Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084138Yeah blaming other people for his screw-ups is practically Siembeda's primary business model.
It never seems to be his fault whenever they screw up.
Quote from: Lurtch;1084126People are saying the big rumor out of last year's open house is a new edition of Rifts in time for the next open house. Who knows if it will happen.
If there had not been the mini fiasco they could have possibly kickstarted it. Now whether they use that or their Insider model I'm not sure it will get funded. Honestly the company needs a huge shot in the arm. New edition of their game system or just an updating or clarifying of their current one would have reinvigorated the company like the original Rifts core did way back in 1990. First things first less mistakes and not another Ultimate edition. Unlike the RMB I hate looking through RUE. It is a jumbled mess which required at least another 6 months to year of editing and possibly playtesting.