It's the Palladium Games 17th Annual Going Out of Business Sale!

JG

Just a few things that stand out to me:

Quote6. Items Lost in the Mail is YOUR risk.

This kind of says it all.  I don't know of any business other than unscrupulous ebayers or outright scammers who would make that kind of policy.  Luckily, with KS you don't have to choose one or the other.

QuoteIN MEMORIAM: $5 – CAT. NO. 12032
You can list the name of a loved one who has passed away recently or long ago, but whom you'd like to acknowledge.

Once upon a time, I called Kevin Siembieda "ghoulish".  This is an example of why.  The very fact this occurred to him as a separate category that he could charge for just speaks volumes.

QuoteThe Palladium RPG® Crimson Hardcover and the original Rifts® Gold Hardcover sell for $300-$600 on the collectors' market, and they had press runs of 500 and 600 copies, respectively. (FYI: The Rifts® Ultimate Gold Edition had a press run of 1,500 copies and it still regularly commands three and four times the original selling price.)

A copy of Palladium Crimson is on ebay right now for $150 with free shipping.  It's a far cry for even the low of $300.  People may list Palladium hardcovers at $300 to $600, but they never sell.

I got my Rifts Gold for $30 on ebay.  There's one languishing on ebay right now for $195 having been relisted at least once, and it will probably languish for some time at that price.  Market value is probably somewhere in the $70 to $100 range,and that might be optimistic.

My research has shown that Rifts Ultimate Gold likely had a print run of over 1,500 (Palladium claimed the run was limited, but just kept on printing extra copies).  The book was initially sold for $70 direct through Palladium Books' webstore.  Ebay currently has a copy of this book wasting away for $150.  It looks like the actual reasonable expected price of the book is somewhere between $130 and $160 on ebay as two copies have sold in recent memory at those price points.

Yes, I know he's trying to hype up the value of the books, but this is a recurring and dishonest marketing scheme which he uses meant to target and take advantage of low information obsessive collectors which do seem to make up a large percentage of his fanbase.  And I say that as someone who used to be one of those.  As such, it kind of pisses me off.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556If I remember correctly, they were also very, very late.  Again, the issue is that trusting ANY company before you have their product in your hand runs the risk of having your money taken.  It doesn't matter the record of success, don't buy promises, buy products.

Not very, very. They were a couple months beyond their expectations. They maintained excellent communications throughout, addressing the the delays well in advance of missing the deadlines and keeping the backers informed on their progress. They have successfully conducted at least 3 Bones KS, I only stopped after #2 because as it stands now I'm set for minis to paint for at least two or three decades.

As far as I'm concerned Reaper has been a model of how a KS should be run.


Palladium on the other hand makes me wonder if I'm a fool for not starting a "Give money to the Toadmaster to buy crap he wants" Go Fund Me.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556If I remember correctly, they were also very, very late.

As has been noted, you do not remember correctly.

Quote from: Gabriel2;1080578

Quote6. Items Lost in the Mail is YOUR risk.

This kind of says it all.  I don't know of any business other than unscrupulous ebayers or outright scammers who would make that kind of policy.  Luckily, with KS you don't have to choose one or the other.

Too bad the USPS, and just about any payment service out there disagrees with them on this.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1080556If I remember correctly, they were also very, very late.

As has been noted by others, you do not remember correctly.

Quote from: WARDUKE;1080575I won't buy another thing from Palladium after the Robotech Kickstarter debacle.

Hey! Nice avatar!

Quote from: Toadmaster;1080581Not very, very. They were a couple months beyond their expectations.

Reaper were several months late on Bones #1 - I think it's been the same with the sequels, so they probably ought to add some slack to their delivery estimates. I pledged for #1 and was pretty happy, but passed on the sequels and just picked up a few individual minis from resellers.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1080740Hey! Nice avatar!

Ha! You, too, Ratman.

Quote from: kythri;1080586As has been noted, you do not remember correctly.

Reaper did so poorly on their Bones KS that they are currently fulfilling their 4th one...

Which is, running a couple of months late.
But then again, ask Robotech Tactics Kickstarters about "Wave Two"...

Palladium pretty much keeps surviving on account of the goodwill of a tiny group of absolute fanatics.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1081868Palladium pretty much keeps surviving on account of the goodwill of a tiny group of absolute fanatics.

Pretty much.

What gets me us the willful ignorance by them. Angered, astonished and outraged that other fans would dare to even remotely suggest PB latest Insider offer should ve boycotted. If your still suprised by the negativity towards PB euthsr you have veen living in a cave or worse purposefully ignorant.

Quote from: sureshot;1081873Pretty much.

What gets me us the willful ignorance by them. Angered, astonished and outraged that other fans would dare to even remotely suggest PB latest Insider offer should ve boycotted. If your still suprised by the negativity towards PB euthsr you have veen living in a cave or worse purposefully ignorant.

If you're boycotting the company and not buying their product you are no longer a fan and have ceases to be their customer. They should ignore you. You won't be convinced.

Quote from: Lurtch;1081954If you're boycotting the company and not buying their product you are no longer a fan and have ceases to be their customer. They should ignore you. You won't be convinced.

That seems to be their approach, customer or not.

Quote from: Lurtch;1081954If you're boycotting the company and not buying their product you are no longer a fan and have ceases to be their customer. They should ignore you. You won't be convinced.

Ah yes the galaxy sized cop-out of a counter argument. With the right GM I might join a Rifts campaign. I still sometimes read the books and see such wasted potential. Both in rules and as a company.

Unlike you Lurtch I can both enjoy and criticize an rpg company. I don't bend over backwards to make excuse for rpg companies and the owners that run them.

Considering how poorly PB and Kevin treats their fans they deserve to have the Insider fail. Thry ripped off fans of their money thsn tried to hide behind the Kickstarter terms of service.

Anyway expecting most of my post to be ignored by you as it does not fit the narrative followed by  insults. Not to mention I thought I was supposed to be on your ignore list.