So, it appears that the Pathfinder system is being adapted to a science-fantasy setting. A whopping 560 page corebook lands in August.
I presume it'll keep all the crunch, which will be a shame, but i can't help feeling that it might be pretty cool.
http://paizo.com/store/starfinder
I suspect it will live or die on the quality of the setting material rather than the mechanics.
It likely won't even be the most complex d20 Space Game. Traveller 20 was a sight to behold and literally managed to knock me out. I had it on a high bookshelf and as I walked by, it fell off and hit me in the head.
Stargate was pretty hefty as well (thankfully I always kept it on a lower shelf), though as a third generation Spycraft product, was mostly coherent.
This seems a lot more like Dragonstar, which I quite liked. More Fantasy than Sci-Fi
So they are doing a super glitz version of Dragonstar?
Quote from: Omega;943090So they are doing a super glitz version of Dragonstar?
Yeah, I definitely picked up a Dragonstar meets Golarion vibe. Meh.
Well, certainly the people who complained about lack of 3e Spelljammer will finally have their wish granted.
The setting hints at some mashup fun, but nowadays "massive 560 page rulebook" makes me flinch more than smile.
Quote from: JamesV;943112The setting hints at some mashup fun, but nowadays "massive 560 page rulebook" makes me flinch more than smile.
Unless it's all-inclusive, i kinda agree. Knowing Paizo, this will be anything
but all-inclusive.
Quote from: One Horse Town;943113Unless it's all-inclusive, i kinda agree. Knowing Paizo, this will be anything but all-inclusive.
Look at what they did with Golarion with regards to classes and pretige classes, feats, etc. Now give them a universe.
Even if every AP only contains one new world that has only one single new race, skill, feat, spell, and prestige class , it's a neverending supply.
This is a partial answer to 5e...not Pathfinder 2.0 but an entire new game with it's own splatmill compatible with PF 1.
Quote from: CRKrueger;943118Look at what they did with Golarion with regards to classes and pretige classes, feats, etc. Now give them a universe.
Even if every AP only contains one new world that has only one single new race, skill, feat, spell, and prestige class , it's a neverending supply.
This is a partial answer to 5e...not Pathfinder 2.0 but an entire new game with it's own splatmill compatible with PF 1.
Not a bad answer. Not for me, but still, I can see this doing really well for them.
There was a thread on this a year or so ago, I think. I was really hoping that they would take the regular PATHFINDER route and release free beta versions prior to hardback release, but I haven't seen any sign of that so I'm guessing that we would have to buy the full thing to actually get a good look at it. A shame, since I'm not a big PATHFINDER fan and was more interested in the ideas than the whole shebang.
Quote from: One Horse Town;943054So, it appears that the Pathfinder system is being adapted to a science-fantasy setting. A whopping 560 page corebook lands in August.
I presume it'll keep all the crunch, which will be a shame, but i can't help feeling that it might be pretty cool.
http://paizo.com/store/starfinder
Some more links for those who may be banned from the big purple
Q&A (https://quip.com/yFhBANDAGDYb)
an interview (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/12/09/top-of-the-table-the-starfinder-interview.aspx)
Looks to me like they are tweaking 3e yet again in order to retread the same shit they already put out.
Dead Suns Adventure Path
In the first 6-part Adventure Path for the Starfinder Roleplaying Game, the players take on the roles of members of the Starfinder Society, a loose association of scholars and adventurers who travel the galaxy uncovering the secrets of a weird universe.
I'm looking forward to seeing what the classes wind up looking like. One thing is that the two spellcasting classes (mystic & technomancer) are only six level spellcasters like bards. Spell levels of 7-9 still exist, but apparently they are accessed through something other than class abilities. They haven't said yet, but I imagine through some sort of ritual practice. Also, both classes are spontaneous casters.
560 pages? I'm not looking to bludgeon a man to death, Paizo. Yikes.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;943211560 pages? I'm not looking to bludgeon a man to death, Paizo. Yikes.
Actually that's 16 pages less than Pathfinder. They put the Player's Handbook and GM's Guide in one book.
Quote from: CRKrueger;943223Actually that's 16 pages less than Pathfinder. They put the Player's Handbook and GM's Guide in one book.
I'm not a big fan of Pathfinder because it just seems to encourage 3.5e bloat. That said, it is highly likely that when this is released I will be taking a little trip to my FLGS.
Quote from: CRKrueger;943223Actually that's 16 pages less than Pathfinder. They put the Player's Handbook and GM's Guide in one book.
Yeah, and I can kill a man with that book. I don't need two.
Quote from: Krimson;943234I'm not a big fan of Pathfinder because it just seems to encourage 3.5e bloat. That said, it is highly likely that when this is released I will be taking a little trip to my FLGS.
I agree with the bloat, it's a bit too much for me, especially seeing as I'm still burnt out on 3.x
I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I liked Dragonstar an awful lot. I figure I'll at least get the core book (I have an in who can get me a 30% discount on it), and base my further purchases off my impressions of that.
I never got into Pathfinder as I lost interest around 3.0 and had even less interest in a knock off but I was always fond of the gonzo nature of Spelljammer and the core setting material was solid.
Quote from: remial;943246I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I liked Dragonstar an awful lot. I figure I'll at least get the core book (I have an in who can get me a 30% discount on it), and base my further purchases off my impressions of that.
I loved Dragon Star, until I saw that they didn't go far enough. It was more or less Spelljammer lite. No rules on firearms of any sort (there was a decent third party supplement called Arsenal, which added things like Fireball SMGs and Magic Missile firing assault weapons for 3.x, with balancing changes of course) nothing on 'computers' or artificial intelligence using D&D magic (Another 3rd party supplement by the same guys who did Arsenal did on called Factory, I think, which added more science fantasy bits, this one was more miss than hit.)
I've wanted a Pathfinder version of Dragonstar since Pathfinder was released. I've already pre-ordered a copy.
Quote from: One Horse Town;943113Unless it's all-inclusive, i kinda agree. Knowing Paizo, this will be anything but all-inclusive.
Well, it's Paizo, so it's definitely going to be inclusive.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;943338Well, it's Paizo, so it's definitely going to be inclusive.
Oh, and they'll make sure to virtue-signal on all the required boxes, the entire LGBTQUNPWTFBBQ spectrum in iconics, npcs, how-to-roleplay blurbs, etc, etc.
With girl pronouns, too!
Quote from: AaronBrown99;943342Oh, and they'll make sure to virtue-signal on all the required boxes, the entire LGBTQUNPWTFBBQ spectrum in iconics, npcs, how-to-roleplay blurbs, etc, etc.
With girl pronouns, too!
I was making a joke.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;943343I was making a joke.
I was triggered.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;943338Well, it's Paizo, so it's definitely going to be inclusive.
Quote from: AaronBrown99;943342Oh, and they'll make sure to virtue-signal on all the required boxes, the entire LGBTQUNPWTFBBQ spectrum in iconics, npcs, how-to-roleplay blurbs, etc, etc.
With girl pronouns, too!
Quote from: Warboss Squee;943343I was making a joke.
Quote from: AaronBrown99;943344I was triggered.
Well played, gentlemen, well played.
So there's not a huge amount of info at this point, but it looks more like Star Wars than Spelljammer. Star Wars with orcs and elves and magic spells.
I'm mildly interested. There might be some good stuff to mine for ideas, at least.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;943370So there's not a huge amount of info at this point, but it looks more like Star Wars than Spelljammer. Star Wars with orcs and elves and magic spells.
I'm mildly interested. There might be some good stuff to mine for ideas, at least.
The nice thing is a lot of material from d20 Star Wars/RCR and d20 Future could be imported with little to no modification.
Let's hope WotC launches 5e Star Frontiers as a response. It's got the nostalgia angle and it hasn't been officially revived since its early days.
Fanboys won't care about the mechanic. It's Paizo, with Paizo art inside.
Quote from: Spinachcat;943374Let's hope WotC launches 5e Star Frontiers as a response. It's got the nostalgia angle and it hasn't been officially revived since its early days.
I don't believe they hold the copyright on that any longer. It is legally free online.
I have to admit, this is an interesting setting concept and I was very curious as to how they designed their Ship rules. I'm not terribly impressed with what I've seen so far, though (full disclosure, I have spent the last 5 months or so brainstorming up ship-to-ship rules for Earthdawn 4e :P ).
Quote from: Spinachcat;943374Let's hope WotC launches 5e Star Frontiers as a response. It's got the nostalgia angle and it hasn't been officially revived since its early days.
It may not be official, but this conversion (http://www.tribality.com/2014/10/04/star-frontiers-5e-conversion-part-1/) exists.
Quote from: Spinachcat;943374Let's hope WotC launches 5e Star Frontiers as a response. It's got the nostalgia angle and it hasn't been officially revived since its early days.
I think you may be harvesting ideas from my dreams. Which is a good thing.
Quote from: Tetsubo;943407I don't believe they hold the copyright on that any longer. It is legally free online.
They still hold copyright, they just have not enforced it. Which kind of screams they have no intent to re-issue it in any fashion. Which makes me sad. Fortunately their is the free remastered version online. Course a new game with different mechanics is intriguing to me.
Quote from: JeremyR;943064It likely won't even be the most complex d20 Space Game. Traveller 20 was a sight to behold and literally managed to knock me out. I had it on a high bookshelf and as I walked by, it fell off and hit me in the head.
Wow. Back in the Satanic Panic there were all those kids supposedly "killed by D&D". You almost became the only person ever to die from Traveller!
Traveller, the game where there is a chance you can die in character creation! Yes, your character too!
And the player too.