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Is it against forum policy to post lyrics from Alestorm songs in an ironic 'fuck you' to Paizo?

Just askin'.

Who even plays PF these days?

with an anchor no less.

Another issue is and I and some of my gaming circle noticed is like too many rpg companies they either don't like any push-back or just want to hear from their butt kissing fanbase. That thread linked in on page one has not only been closed. Surprise surprise they had not only heavily moderated the thread in making it look like all the fans were happy with the decision. They also had and pretty much will continue to censor anyone not towing the party line. In any case we will see if it hurts their sales which I don't think it will imo. Problem is gamers forget that boycotts only work if enough fans do them.

Oh it will hurt their sales but marketing and the SJW infiltrators will convince the suits that it an "acceptable loss" in older to "cultivate a new and larger customer base" eg: mindless cattle that buy what they are told to buy.

All this "Vote with your wallet" stuff is meaningless if you were never a customer to begin with or hadn't been a customer for years prior to the thing you object to now. You're not making a sacrifice to decline to buy from a company you were never buying from, and you're not making a "vote" against the company if the vote wasn't previously for the company. They cannot even notice your absence if you were not previously present.

Quote from: Omega;1138089Oh it will hurt their sales but marketing and the SJW infiltrators will convince the suits that it an "acceptable loss" in older to "cultivate a new and larger customer base" eg: mindless cattle that buy what they are told to buy.

This does seem to be the strategy doesn't it? Well I'm certainly playing the game with them. I'm a "whale" when it comes to my hobbies... I'm a middle-aged man with zero qualms about dropping money on my favorite games. All I ask is these companies don't preach their personal morality (or lack thereof) at me via their game material - and everyone wins.

But no. It seems as a company they, and others like WotC, don't have the capacity to just make an entertaining game free of their personal ideology unnecessarily intruding. Which I take to mean that this insistence IS intended, and *I* am not a desired customer, and my money is not wanted.

I say so be it.

Quote from: Mistwell;1138178All this "Vote with your wallet" stuff is meaningless if you were never a customer to begin with or hadn't been a customer for years prior to the thing you object to now. You're not making a sacrifice to decline to buy from a company you were never buying from, and you're not making a "vote" against the company if the vote wasn't previously for the company. They cannot even notice your absence if you were not previously present.

Well I'm one of those "Vote with you wallet" people. I have *THOUSANDS* of dollars invested in WotC and Paizo material. And I would continue to happily shower thousands more on them - if they didn't go the route they have.

And that's the bet, isn't it? Most of the young people indoctrinated into their silly ideology will make up for the loss of others like myself that have considerable discretionary money due to my age and time earning money... But the question is WHY? Why does there need to be this dichotomy at ALL? It has nothing to do with the money... clearly. Oh it's because of ideology. Not something worth banking on imo.

But that's the bet they're calling for. And I'm game. It costs *me* nothing to make this wager.

Quote from: tenbones;1138179This does seem to be the strategy doesn't it?

Probably another factor bundled into the problem is they may be pulling an outtage marketing maneuver as well to push sales. Marketing is infatuated with this damn idea across the board.

Alot of the problems in gaming and entertainment would be alot lessened if marketing werent either assisting or encouraging them.

Quote from: tenbones;1138180Well I'm one of those "Vote with you wallet" people. I have *THOUSANDS* of dollars invested in WotC and Paizo material. And I would continue to happily shower thousands more on them - if they didn't go the route they have.

And that's the bet, isn't it? Most of the young people indoctrinated into their silly ideology will make up for the loss of others like myself that have considerable discretionary money due to my age and time earning money... But the question is WHY? Why does there need to be this dichotomy at ALL? It has nothing to do with the money... clearly. Oh it's because of ideology. Not something worth banking on imo.

But that's the bet they're calling for. And I'm game. It costs *me* nothing to make this wager.

I am not making idle threats either.  I spend lots--buy all the books, hundreds of dollars of minis, etc.

I am going to watch all of this closely.  They may not change much in practice but we will soon see.  But I promise if they act like traditionalists don't matter, I AM OUT and so are my pals.  We're mostly middle upper class professionals and we will redirect our dollars.

I think we count for double our number of younger counterparts or more in disposable income.  I buy all the stuff my kids want too.  That is also going to be over if they get heavy handed.

It is reaching absurd heights in theory.  We grew up with D&D archetypes and want them still.  If they sacrifice them for the Twitter-whiners why would I NOT just play another game, use what I have or play 1e AD&D?

But here is the catch.  It only matters if people stick to it.  Talk is cheap.  We will see.  If they pussify the game, I will be interested to see if the pendulum swings back.

Quote from: Mishihari;1136184That was the old ENWorld, with Eric Noah.  Morrus's rule is "no politics, but if it's one of my pet issues, it's not politics."  I posted a lot there over a 15 year period, had a lot of fun, lots of cool people, but when the new policies went into effect I bailed.  It was a shame - it used to be a really nice community.

Me too. I spent a ton of time there before 3e released and for years after. Pretty much stopped all D&D during 4e, then back for 5e. I saw the decline when Eric left and it only got worse until I stopped altogether a few years ago.

In regards to "vote with your wallet", let's be grateful we live in the Golden Age of RPGs.

There's a constant stream of cool RPG shiznack being made by people who aren't worthless arse drippings.

Reward them and enjoy their cool stuff.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1137559Is it against forum policy to post lyrics from Alestorm songs in an ironic 'fuck you' to Paizo?

Yes it is. You're required to post the whole video!!

[video=youtube;th4Czv1j3F8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th4Czv1j3F8[/youtube]

It's SO much fun with the whole audience singing along when they play this live.

Quote from: Warpiglet;1138263I think we count for double our number of younger counterparts or more in disposable income.  I buy all the stuff my kids want too.  That is also going to be over if they get heavy handed.

Great point. Many of us were the first generation of kids playing D&D. Nowadays, plenty of RPG consumers are middle-aged, and the choices they make will not only affect the current market, but will inform and direct the market decisions for the next generation as well.

As said before. Marketing pushes that older players are "problematic". They have "expectations" that get in the way of the "creatives" "vision" of what the game should be about.

Older players are also "problematic" because they are more often savvy and resistant to modern marketing tactics like outrage marketing and the five year plan. They want "modern" customers. Cattle that will buy and re-buy their product without question. Happy to be slaughtered and bled out.