They're either 12 years old or it's a joke.

Keeping it positive:

I remember playing in this playstyle before. Eventually I parted ways with it, much to our mutual pleasure. They seem to be enjoying it about as much as I remember my table's enjoyed it. I wish them the best and many more sessions with their kind of fun!
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Quote from: Bill;591091True to a point, but that would not really help those people

You assume they are unhappy and need our 'help'.

It's a charitable point of view though, and that's what makes you one of the best of us.

Quote from: noisms;591188They're either 12 years old or it's a joke.

I truly would love to believe this.

Yeah, that's a seriously strange way to handle this problem...

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I admire their spunk in wanting to hunt down the 20th lvl npcs; big game hunting!

Quote from: Bill;591046human werewolf (lvl3)... 2 silver claw guantlets that he keeps on his hands with a partial shift at all times... oh and also we are playing 3.5"

Does not look right, rules-wise. Joke, kid, or not the droids your looking for.

Quote from: Opaopajr;591195You assume they are unhappy and need our 'help'.

It's a charitable point of view though, and that's what makes you one of the best of us.

I had not considered that anyone could enjoy that style of play.

Quote from: Bill;591046Our party has decided we don't like how controlling our DM is so in order to get her to loosen our chains...

Problem #1 - What 'chains'?  'Controlling' as in railroading?  Domineering?  'Plays my character for me'?  Or 'has final authority on which books can be used and which cannot'?

Obviously, different issues would lead to different solutions.

Quote from: Bill;591046...a portion of the party has decided we will split from the group and become evil.

...that being said, this simply isn't one of them.  If you want to split off and 'become evil' because you think it might be fun, that makes sense.  It makes you a jerk, but still understandible.  If you decide to do it because it will in some way change your GM's behavior - well that just makes you shortsighted.

Quote from: Bill;591046Throughout the campain the DM has introduced several level 20 character ... that could easily massacre us.

Or, perhaps - "Hi, I am a player who doesn't yet 'get' the whole GM concept."

Dear player, if said GM wanted a 20th level werewolf hunter with immortality and perfect hair to swoop in on a white pegasus and mess up your day, well there's absolutely jack you can do about it.  They don't even need to have such a character rolled up when you think about it, let alone have introduced you to it.

Also some of the 'threats' described above sounded on the 'bad guy' side.  If it were me and I was feeling domineering, I'd find some way to press those evil PCs into the service of one of those devils.  'Chains' indeed...

Anyway, you can't beat the GM, period.  Even starting to dream up ways to do it is a mistake.  You're supposed to be working together, and if you're not, there's no 'in game' manuver that can resolve it.  As far as I know, anyway.

Quote from: Bill;591046I was wondering what is the best way to "break" my ranger( lvl4)/human werewolf (lvl3) from cross classing/presteige classing to make him the best I can so that he can actually stand a chance.

This makes me die a little inside.  That poor ranger.  He has no identity.  No goals of his own.  The question I'd have a player ask is 'what sorts of choices are ahead of me that can make this character even more awesome', not 'how do I break it'.

Sad, sad, sad.

Some people are happiest when they are arguing. If there's no discord and struggle, they will create it and thrive. In my experience they tend to be "oh and also we are playing 3.5." Not my style of game, but since I conveniently already do not like 3.x/PF we don't have to travel similar circles this way. Win, win.

As far as I know, it was a serious post. It's pretty far from any gaming experience I have had. The closest I ever got to that was one of my very first gaming groups that had a dm and player that fought all the time. Instigated mainly by the dm's annoying uber pet npcs.

But the 'beat the dm' mentality is strange to me.

Quote from: Bill;591637As far as I know, it was a serious post. It's pretty far from any gaming experience I have had. The closest I ever got to that was one of my very first gaming groups that had a dm and player that fought all the time. Instigated mainly by the dm's annoying uber pet npcs.

But the 'beat the dm' mentality is strange to me.

I wish I could say so myself.  But as I detailed in some other post here somewhere (and won't bore you with again), I have even seen 'beat the dm' go so far as 'kill whatever character Bob plays when he is not the dm'.  So it does happen.

But as Opaopajr said, most people grow out of it eventually.

I've seen this style before.  It wasn't from a 12 year old either.  It was an early 20s player.  Everything from the "I'm going to beat the GM" and "how do I augment my character so I stand the best chance".  

Sadly the only methods to break this are:  the whole group gets a new GM, one with many years of experience.  Or the group continues playing until either they grow out of it or they part ways because one day "this game sucks!"

Words and advice, unless it's advice on how the player can twink his character out to the max, will be ignored and forgotten.  Telling the player his style sucks, even if you say it nicely, results in a no-win argument.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;591049Sounds like a broken play group, where the first step is for everyone involved to have an adult conversation about what type of gaming experience they want, and start from scratch.

Fairly certain no adults are involved.

Opinions?  Everything wrong with D&D in one post?  

There was a great series of posts a while back (unfortunately from /tg, if I remember right) where some player got frustrated with his DM's railroading and 2-D characters, and started acting out. Now, I would LOVE to have someone 'act out' like he did in a group I was running, because he turned the game into an elaborate intrigue, complete with playing various NPCs off against eachother and another player, and playing at international politics. He even managed to di it while playing 4E.

If "turn evil" translates to "become engaged in the game world," more power to this guy. I would rather have players who are trying to wreck up the setting than passive ones.