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Hey guys,

What would all of you say to creating a new subforum on this board dedicated to the works of Erick Wujcik in general, and Amber Diceless Roleplaying in particular?

Let's hear your opinions.

RPGPundit

Here is an idea. Stop bashing "The Borg", threadcrapping, and creating Nobilis threads and just start talking about Amber and Erick. Given that Amber posts here are minimal I'm not sure exactly what creating a new dedicated forum would accomplish....besides being another RPGSite forum that I DON'T bother to read? Don't misinterpret that as not wanting to hear people's thoughts on Amber, I just find it pretty damn pointless to dedicate an entire Forum to something that can get covered in likely a single thread (even if it gets spread across 3).

EDIT: Actually I guess there are a couple of Amber threads. But they've mostly slipped down the borad due to relatively low activity. I'm confident they'll pop up again thought once there is actually something new and interesting to talk about of this new one coming out.

Such a thing should have its own domain (amberforum.com or something). Otherwise people would just consider it an outgrowth of this site when the two should really be unrelated.

By "Official" you mean "Wujcik-approved" ?

Maybe I really should bring forth the violins and wine...

I agree, while a highly influential and monumental game, there isnt enough activity to warrant its own sub-forum. Unless of course someone wants to run a PBEM version of it.

Based on threads alone, I think Ms Borg and her Nobilis warant her own sub-thread.

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Id like every game to have its own sub-forum, but thats just being silly...

It's your show, so do what ya want, but since you're soliciting opinions...I don't see the point of it. Has Amber generated enough discussion it's crowding out other topics? If so, fine. If not, then why? A whole forum to itself would mean it would be in a forum that rarely got used.

I'd be up for an Amber sub-forum certainly.  It's a cult game so would probably suck in some new members and it's a game for which I have a deep deep love.

I don't see the need.  I understand that the Pundit loves the game and everything, but it seems to be very much a niche game.  

Also, I'm opposed to the proliferation of 'subfora' as much as possible.  Let's discuss the games we like in the main forum!  :)

Actually, I agree that creating a sub-forum is dangerous as it means sucking people away from the main discussion forum (in fact, I don't see a point in the theory section).

But Amber does have a following so it might grow us a bit if we could lure people in with the promise of an amber forum.  *shrug* I don't mind either way actually.

Quote from: YamoSuch a thing should have its own domain (amberforum.com or something). Otherwise people would just consider it an outgrowth of this site when the two should really be unrelated.

Is that the type of forum you were thinking of RPGPundit? An Amber go-to forum?  If so I think Yamo is spot on, it only can make sense as it's own domain. Or grouped with a stable of games for that publisher or such.  That assuming Erick Wujcik hasn't already arranged a more offical board offering to support the new product.

Because the RPGSite is, as I understand it, a general RPG site. And at that has maybe enough traffic to support the forums it's got now. Trying to grow it with Amber fans? Setting aside questions about the merit of Amber to drive such an expanson, marketing theory basically says you can be known well for only one thing at a time, and trying to force it to be known for two different things results in serious dilution. Dilute and die.

It's your board, setup whatever sub forums you want to.  D&D, Amber, Vampire -- whatever.  My only suggestion is that unless there are people asking for this, or you already see the topics being discussed, you'll have to fill the void until new forum members arrive.

I, for one, welcome our new Amber Michaels forum.

Quote from: RPGPunditWhat would all of you say to creating a new subforum on this board dedicated to the works of Erick Wujcik in general, and Amber Diceless Roleplaying in particular?

To answer a lot of the questions...

The idea is that Erick Wujcik (that's me) would moderate the forum, just as RPGPundit moderates 'The RPGPundit's Own Forum' - albeit with a tad less venom.

Amber Diceless would be one of the subjects, but I'd also weigh on in other subjects of the day, including perspectives on role-playing games in general, opinions and observations about my day job (digital games), and other stuff.

With a heavy dose of talk about my various experimental games. The kind of thing I run for friends, or at conventions and other outings, ranging from my 'Hard Science RPGs' to various role-playing systems and scenarios.

Your opinions?

Erick

Erick Wujcik
//www.47rpg.com

Quote from: Erick WujcikWith a heavy dose of talk about my various experimental games. The kind of thing I run for friends, or at conventions and other outings, ranging from my 'Hard Science RPGs' to various role-playing systems and scenarios.

Your opinions?

Sounds cool. I think this would be interesting.

Regards,
David R

Definitely! That would be very interesting.
Especially if it would be about the whole Wujcik-verse.

Quote from: Erick Wujcik..., opinions and observations about my day job (digital games), ...

That would be awesome, to have a game developer running a subforum about video games.

Quote from: Erick WujcikTo answer a lot of the questions...

The idea is that Erick Wujcik (that's me) would moderate the forum, just as RPGPundit moderates 'The RPGPundit's Own Forum' - albeit with a tad less venom.

Amber Diceless would be one of the subjects, but I'd also weigh on in other subjects of the day, including perspectives on role-playing games in general, opinions and observations about my day job (digital games), and other stuff.

With a heavy dose of talk about my various experimental games. The kind of thing I run for friends, or at conventions and other outings, ranging from my 'Hard Science RPGs' to various role-playing systems and scenarios.

Your opinions?

Erick

Erick Wujcik
//www.47rpg.com

Well, hell, see, if I'd known what Pundit was getting at was that you'd be personally involved, then that would've been a different story. In that case, I think it'd be cool.

Quote from: Erick WujcikThe idea is that Erick Wujcik (that's me) would moderate the forum, just as RPGPundit moderates 'The RPGPundit's Own Forum' - albeit with a tad less venom.

"Erick's Own Forum"?

I'd read that.  That would rock.

Since it would be Erick's own forum I'm up for that.

That said, I really agree with Blakkie's original post, a bit more posting about games we love like Amber or Space 1889 (both of which I know Pundit is into) and a bit less bashing the Borg would make this a better place for me.

Bashing games I don't care about doesn't really get me going, talking about how great Space 1889 is though works every time.

Yeah, the multi-thread Borgstrom obsession isn't particularly pleasant.

I think it would be great for any RPG forum to have something like this. A nice feather to have in the RPGsite's cap!

We'll have to see, but this doesn't exactly look like the most fertile ground for discussions, so a blog would probably be better suited to that endeavor.

I would be interested in a sub-forum run by Mr.Wucjik.

Quote from: BalbinusSince it would be Erick's own forum I'm up for that.

That said, I really agree with Blakkie's original post, a bit more posting about games we love like Amber or Space 1889 (both of which I know Pundit is into) and a bit less bashing the Borg would make this a better place for me.

Bashing games I don't care about doesn't really get me going, talking about how great Space 1889 is though works every time.

I agree with Balbinus that a little more love and a little less hate would be far better.

Also, ColonelHardisson is right about misreading Pundit this time--his OP was confusing given the recent Borg threads.

As to "Erick's Own Forum", I give it a HELL YEAH!

Hah hah!

You all underestimated the Pundit, didn't you? Didn't you??

Erick and I have been talking about this for a long time; its something I've wanted to do here almost since the beginning, but I wanted to wait till we passed the 1000-member mark, and till Erick was at the end of his Job-search to do it.

I'm not suggesting making this board because there ALREADY is a ton of talk about Amber, or about Erick, but because I WANT there to be more talk about these things, and I want people that like these things coming here to write and participate.

Since GoO shut down, there really hasn't been an official and recognized forum for Amber DRPG, and as far as I know, there's never been a forum dedicated to Mr.Wujcik and his works (Erick can correct me on that if I'm wrong).

The point is, I don't care if the swine start up a million billion threads about Nobilis, it would NEVER have a subforum here.  
Amber and Erick merit a subforum for two reasons:
1. Unlike Mz. Borgstrom, Erick Wujcik is a friend and an active participant in this site, who's presence here is something that no doubt adds legitimacy to theRPGsite.

2. Mr. Wujcik's games (be they Amber, TMNT, Mystic China, etc) and his philosophy of gaming, embody the ideological position of this board (of games being fun and of substance), whereas Nobilis is pretty well the polar opposite ideology (of style over substance and pretentiousness over fun).

Note that there are a lot of other RPG authors who participate here, both big-time guys like Mike Mearls, and smaller-time guys like the gang at Better Mousetrap games.  I'm not suggesting that Mr.Wujcik is more important to this site than they are.  The only reason he's going to get his own subforum here is because as far as I know there isn't one already present dedicated to Mr.Wujcik and the Amber RPG, whereas the others already have their own stuff going on; and also obviously due to the very personal impact Mr.Wujcik's games have had on my development.

Now, if any other bigger-name gaming author is reading this and would be similarly interested in having his own special forum dedicated to him (Mike? Mr. Gygax?), just send me a PM and we'll talk!

Meanwhile, keep your eyes open. The new forum will be up sometime after I get back from vacation.  It might be a little slow at first, but I'm sure that, especially advertising at places like Amber fansites and the Palladium boards, we'll end up having, as someone said "a feather on our caps" with the addition of this new feature to the forums.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditThe point is, I don't care if the swine start up a million billion threads about Nobilis, it would NEVER have a subforum here.

Er... Sorry, but aren't you the one who does that? I certainly haven't started any of those.

Well, if this is done as a forum, one should be able to expect that I could write questions and that the likelihood of receiving an answer is moderately high.

If it's just Erick writing about stuff and we unwashed masses comment on that, I don't see a reason why this couldn't be done as a normal weblog.

If it's just talking about his stuff, I think the normal forum will suffice. I don't see a huge influx of TMNT fans out there who're just waiting out there like dead baseball players.

(Not that there is _that_ big a difference between some forums and blogs, as this site shows)

No need to say anything about what Nobilis is not that Amber or Erick are. Erick is cool on so many levels, he doesn´t need a comparison.

Apart from that:

Ultra Awesome Move!

Quote from: SosthenesWell, if this is done as a forum, one should be able to expect that I could write questions and that the likelihood of receiving an answer is moderately high.

If it's just Erick writing about stuff and we unwashed masses comment on that, I don't see a reason why this couldn't be done as a normal weblog.

If it's just talking about his stuff, I think the normal forum will suffice. I don't see a huge influx of TMNT fans out there who're just waiting out there like dead baseball players.

(Not that there is _that_ big a difference between some forums and blogs, as this site shows)

No no, it will be Erick writing about stuff, AND everyone else writing about stuff. It'll be a place to start and write in threads about Amber, TMNT, Mystic China, or anything else Erick was involved in; as well as a place where Erick can talk about his upcoming projects, and start threads about general topics or GM advice.

RPGPundit

Quotewrite in threads about Amber, TMNT, Mystic China, or anything else Erick was involved in; as well as a place where Erick can talk about his upcoming projects, and start threads about general topics or GM advice.

Awesomeawesomeawesome!!!!!!!111111one11111eleventy!!!

If Eric is going to be posting and participating in the discussion, this is very cool.  I played a lot of TMNT when I was younger, and getting Eric's thoughts on designing and running RPGs would be great!

Although Not official there is an Amber Discussion Forum over at the forum I used to own (and is now owned by a guy name StrongBlade).  This is also a fill in "official" forum since GOO is gone:

http://www.goofanforums.com

I don't think there can be an "official" GoO forum, now that GoO is no more.  The URL doesn't make it look all that "official" either. ;)

Quote from: Geek MessiahAlthough Not official there is an Amber Discussion Forum over at the forum I used to own (and is now owned by a guy name StrongBlade).  This is also a fill in "official" forum since GOO is gone:

http://www.goofanforums.com

Thanks for posting! I had no idea this existed!

Erick

Quote from: RPGPunditIt'll be a place to start and write in threads about Amber, TMNT, Mystic China, or anything else Erick was involved in; as well as a place where Erick can talk about his upcoming projects, and start threads about general topics or GM advice.

You did TMNT?!?! I have really fond memories of munching that game - I think it turned me into the ethical munchkin that I am today.  "No, I really, really want to examine the social and political implications of playing an miniature blue whale.  The fact I get 80 bonus points by buying his size down from 20 to 6 and I only need 45 of them to give him full hands, feet and the power of speech has absolutely nothing to do with it." :D

But seriously, I think this forum is a great idea

Quote from: GrimGentEr... Sorry, but aren't you the one who does that? I certainly haven't started any of those.

Maybe you didn't notice, he said swine. So back off, his acknowledging that he has a problem is a good first step. :mischief:

Quote from: Erick WujcikTo answer a lot of the questions...

The idea is that Erick Wujcik (that's me) would moderate the forum, just as RPGPundit moderates 'The RPGPundit's Own Forum' - albeit with a tad less venom.

Amber Diceless would be one of the subjects, but I'd also weigh on in other subjects of the day, including perspectives on role-playing games in general, opinions and observations about my day job (digital games), and other stuff.

With a heavy dose of talk about my various experimental games. The kind of thing I run for friends, or at conventions and other outings, ranging from my 'Hard Science RPGs' to various role-playing systems and scenarios.

Your opinions?

Erick

Erick Wujcik
//www.47rpg.com

That sounds like stuff I'd really like to read about. It would be great to have your comments on that stuff around here.

I will ask though, isn't the subject material overlapping with multiple forums here? For example there is already an "Electronic Games and Other Games" forum and a "Craft" forum. Maybe this could be part of a reorg?  Or I'd just welcome Erick as a frequent poster here at this forum and just call the thing a Potpourri [without the flowery aroma]. Or another forum named "Potpourri With Erick". With some Kenny G background music? :D

Speaking of reorg I don't get exactly why "Craft" and "Design" are separate (take a look at the thread/post counts). Even reviewing the description I don't really get it (even setting aside the rhetoric of the "Design" description). But then the "Design" forum could drop off the face of the earth and I'd not really care one bit, so maybe I'm biased? *shrug*

Sounds interesting, but if the threads appear in the forums they would naturally fall into you're likely to get move coverage from people that don't play Amber and don't know who Erick is. For example a thread in an Amber subforum is very unlikely to get anyone interested in the game that isn't already, but an Amber thread in the main forum might.

It worked for Nobilis. :)

Sounds good. I'm a Wujcik fan.

Quote from: RPGPunditYou all underestimated the Pundit, didn't you? Didn't you??

Sadly, it's been increasingly easy to do.

Slam firmly in place, finding out that it would be Erick Wujcik's forum to discuss Amber (and apparently other of his games) and not your forum to deride any game that you feel detracts from Amber, I found myself quite amenable to the idea.  I want to hear from him, not you.

Oh, but then you had to go and add this...

Quote from: RPGPundit...I don't care if the swine start up a million billion threads about Nobilis, it would NEVER have a subforum here.

...which suggests to me that you're purposefully setting this site up to favor games you like, and not RPGs in general.  You go on and on about how "honest" you are and how you'll never abuse your administrative authority, then you propose something like this.

Sorry, I have to say no.  If your desire is to promote one game over another -- any game over any other -- then be "honest" and set up a separate site.  Or rename this site "TheAMBERsite.com" and dispense with any cross-traffic.  And, you know, the funny thing is that I probably wouldn't have had any problem with this proposition if you hadn't been expressing such an editorial hard-on to promote Amber at the expense of Nobilis.

!i!

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaSorry, I have to say no.  If your desire is to promote one game over another -- any game over any other -- then be "honest" and set up a separate site.  Or rename this site "TheAMBERsite.com" and dispense with any cross-traffic.  And, you know, the funny thing is that I probably wouldn't have had any problem with this proposition if you hadn't been expressing such an editorial hard-on to promote Amber at the expense of Nobilis.

!i!

Although I get where you  going when you say this, I have to say, the idea of Erick, having a playground to discuss his ideas trumps my disdain for the Pundit and his most times delusional rants . (I'm still surprised that there are designers who take him seriously...) But, hey we got a lot of folks here who design games I like - Clash for instance - so, the draw for me, is having one more designer voice (albeit in a forum of his own) out his opinons on stuff...

Regards,
David R

Quote from: RPGPunditNow, if any other bigger-name gaming author is reading this and would be similarly interested in having his own special forum dedicated to him (Mike? Mr. Gygax?), just send me a PM and we'll talk!

Gygax already has his own forum over at Dragonsfoot, and has a series of Q&A threads at EN World that have been going on for years now.

---Pedantic Spikey

Sounds good, I had forgotten about Gygax's forum over at Dragonsfoot.  This will give Erick the same opportunity in this forum, then.

As for the question of "overlap": This forum would fall into the same "vanity forum" category as my own "Pundit's forum", one that recognizes the significance of Mr.Wujcik's particular work.  I'm also directly hoping that it will draw in new members from Amber fansites etc.

As for the accusation that this is an "editorial decision" to encourage the promotion of certain games on this site and detract others, well of course it fucking is.  That's the point of this entire site, shithead! Its to create a place where RPGs that are based on solid mainstream principles of play are loved and promoted, and NOT a place to give "equal time" to all games regardless of how overflowing with pretentious manure and unplayability said games are.
So yes, it is directly an editorial decision.
Yes, it is to specifically promote Amber and its worth and significance in the RPG world over other less meritorious games.
It must really suck for the Swine to finally run into a site where the people making the "editorial decisions" aren't THEIR editors, huh?
Suck me.

RPGpundit

Quote from: RPGPunditAs for the accusation that this is an "editorial decision" to encourage the promotion of certain games on this site and detract others, well of course it fucking is.  That's the point of this entire site, shithead!  

~sometimes you seem speak in cryptic german. It leaves me wondering how you actually feel on some subjects. :killingme:

Quote from: RPGPunditIt must really suck for the Swine to finally run into a site where the people making the "editorial decisions" aren't THEIR editors, huh?

Actually, I'm thinking that it must really suck for all of your good intentions to be undermined by your acting like a braying jackass.

Erick, if this is where you want to plant your roots, more power to you.

!i!

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaActually, I'm thinking that it must really suck for all of your good intentions to be undermined by your acting like a braying jackass.

Erick, if this is where you want to plant your roots, more power to you.

!i!

The only way this site could be undermined would be if I listened to the likes of you and compromised, be it by the pressure to be fashionable, corrupting appeals to power, fear of being shunned, whatever, and turned this site into another RPG.net.

But see, no matter how much you dislike the current course of things, that isn't going to happen. This site WILL be the site that supports and actively aggressively promotes mainstream RPGs and traditional roleplaying conventions.

RPGPundit

Though I know nothing about Amber, I am familiar with and like Erick's work for Palladium and I think it would be neat if he had a subforum here.

Quote from: RPGPunditThe only way this site could be undermined would be if I listened to the likes of you and compromised, be it by the pressure to be fashionable, corrupting appeals to power, fear of being shunned, whatever, and turned this site into another RPG.net.

But see, no matter how much you dislike the current course of things, that isn't going to happen. This site WILL be the site that supports and actively aggressively promotes mainstream RPGs and traditional roleplaying conventions.

RPGPundit

Compromised... to what?

Quote from: ImperatorCompromised... to what?

"With who", not "to what".

To "giving equal time" or "being fair" to the Swine games.. which actually translates into letting them run things.

RPGpundit

Quote from: RPGPunditTo "giving equal time" or "being fair" to the Swine games.. which actually translates into letting them run things.

Personal Pundit-predicting powers: Perfect.

And in other news, the Forum is up, but empty.

Go, fill it.

RPGPundit

I don't understand. If "Swine" games are so irrelevant and shitty, where's the problem? Nobody should want to talk about them! Everyone will talk about mainstream games!

Man, people will talk about any topic, as long you don't ban it. If people fancy talking about those games, then that's because those games interest them. Where's the big deal?

Quote from: Levi KornelsenPersonal Pundit-predicting powers: Perfect.

Scooped!

BTW, thanks for the correction, mate.

Quote from: ImperatorWhere's the big deal?

People that like non-mainstream games tend to be highly active online in general terms, especially of forums.  This naturally translates to disproportionate forum activity for such games.  And that, in turn, naturally translates to mainstream gamers sometimes feeling sidelined, rarely being sidelined, and once in a very rare while even being deliberately sidelined.

Pundit amps those feeling up quite a ways, exagerrates, hyperbolises, and the like, but I've heard the basic complaint from other, much more moderate individuals before.

That being the case, why is there any shock in having some folks "defend" the core of the hobby very - even excessively - fervently in this way online?

Quote from: Levi KornelsenThat being the case, why is there any shock in having some folks "defend" the core of the hobby very - even excessively - fervently in this way online?

Oh, I'm not shocked by the idea of it. Actually, I'm cool with it: I think that people at Dragonsfoot.org are making a superb work at it. But, frankly, most of the time, the indie games seem to be brought by the Pundit et al, starting a ton of threads about how Nobilis must be hated or something.

I frankly feel that Pundit and Settembrini make a very shitty job at defending their preferences, but hey, is not like they (or any other online persona) have any influence on the hobby. As you say, I think that indie games seem bigger than they are over the Internet, and the mainstream hobby does not need to be defended. Also, there are places to discuss mainstream games all over the Web, so online discussion is not threatened.

That's why I am surprised: Pundit wants people to talk only about the things he's interested in, and you can't change the interests of people.

Quote from: ImperatorOh, I'm not shocked by the idea of it. Actually, I'm cool with it: I think that people at Dragonsfoot.org are making a superb work at it. But, frankly, most of the time, the indie games seem to be brought by the Pundit et al, starting a ton of threads about how Nobilis must be hated or something.

I frankly feel that Pundit and Settembrini make a very shitty job at defending their preferences,

*Shrug*

Their prefences are theirs.  I'd love to read more "GM advice" columns from Pundit, myself, but ain't none of us the boss of him.

Quote from: Imperatorbut hey, is not like they (or any other online persona) have any influence on the hobby.

Dude, I totally think that indie designers should get Pundit to review their stuff all the time.  He's like a litmus test.

Quote from: ImperatorAs you say, I think that indie games seem bigger than they are over the Internet, and the mainstream hobby does not need to be defended. Also, there are places to discuss mainstream games all over the Web, so online discussion is not threatened.

That's why I am surprised: Pundit wants people to talk only about the things he's interested in, and you can't change the interests of people.

He wants not only to talk about them, but to talk about them with complete freedom of expression - good, bad, mean, everything.

The Pundit is, plainly, an arrogant, loudmouthed son of a bitch.

But he's also up-front about it, and while he may not take insults well, he won't ever stop anyone from making them, which makes him my very favorite arrogant, loudmouthed son of a bitch.

You make good points. Allow me to expand on it :)

I like to read GM advice from the Pundit. I loved the RIFTS AP from Settembrini at The Forge. I always like to read about the Pundit's games, because they seem a blast. Actually, I like reading people who spreads love for their games, traditional or not.

In promoting and spreading love for trad games, people like Jeff Rients do a more superb work. My g/f read some posts from his blog (she has never played D&D), and said that Jeff made the OD&D look sexy. That fulfills the stated mission of the site far more than the crazed antics of Pundit and the Cocksmock Commando. Sorry, but they are acting against their own games.

I agree that indie designers should get Pundit to review their stuff. He's a big seller, as in Internet, you don't get more attention than through ranting. So, Pundit's rants get people interested in a game by the reasoning of, if such a rethrograd maniac says that this game is a shit, probably it will have some worth.

On the freedom of expression thing: I'm cool with the way Pundit, Jrients and Mcrow handle these boards. And he has managed his goal on that. But, along that achievement, comes the unavoidable truth: people will talk shit that you don't like. So, there's no reason to complaining about that.

Of course, most of the time he has no real reason for the things he says.

We all wouldn´t be here, if we did, as you would like us to.
Mind you at least I started out as a very polite person, until I met the swine, and saw that only big guns could take the big shitheads out.

Acta est fabula, porci!

QuoteMind you at least I started out as a very polite person, until I met the swine, and saw that only big guns could take the big shitheads out.

Really? How many have you "taken out?" How many of "the swine" have forsworn nontraditional gaming and stopped promoting their favorites because you called them a name?

Internet discussions are not about changing peoples minds, but about adressing the spectators. You are an example. Your mind will never change, at least you won´t admit. But lurkers and spectators have seen that your shitty lines of argumentation in the recent thread aren´t tolerated and are false.

It´s about fighting intellectual Lawncrappers. Not to change their lawncrapperish ways, but to make a stand to show everybody thinking of moving into the area, that such behaviour isn´t tolerated.

You don't read very well then. There's several threads here and elsewhere where my mind has changed. You certainly won't change my mind in this thread, as we can't even agree on what we're discussing.

You can change a spectator's mind without insulting people. In fact, you're more likely to garner respect by being respectable. The only people who hoot, holler, and cheer you on when you're shouting cuss words at people are the peanut gallery that already agrees with you.

If you're fighting a war of diplomacy and not being diplomatic, then you're not going to win. In fact, since I think on some level you know that (Your Lord and Master Pundit certainly does) then by making the choice to act like "a fucktard" you're conscientiously choosing defeat.

People running around and crapping are going to have a hard time showing that it isn't tolerated.

QuotePeople running around and crapping are going to have a hard time showing that it isn't tolerated.

That is best applied to yourself.

Quote from: RPGPunditTo "giving equal time" or "being fair" to the Swine games.. which actually translates into letting them run things.

That's almost funny, on so many levels.

Almost. :D

Play on, minstrel!

!i!

Quote from: Settembrini

QuotePeople running around and crapping are going to have a hard time showing that it isn't tolerated.

That is best applied to yourself.

Not really. To apply to me I'd have to be trying to show people that crapping isn't tolerated, since that's the group that statement is clearly aimed at. Quite the opposite, I'm acting in the way the board owner encourages me to act by his example. If this were a different board (say RPoL, the Hackmaster boards, or Star Fleet Battles forums) I'd be acting completely differently because the people that run those places know how to show/demonstrate that crapping isn't tolerated.

Quote from: RPGPunditAs for the accusation that this is an "editorial decision" to encourage the promotion of certain games on this site and detract others, well of course it fucking is.  That's the point of this entire site, shithead! Its to create a place where RPGs that are based on solid mainstream principles of play are loved and promoted, and NOT a place to give "equal time" to all games regardless of how overflowing with pretentious manure and unplayability said games are.

Could I get a check on this... is the above true?

Because if so, maybe I'd better move on.

It's true. You're free to discuss any game, but will get called many names and incite much flamage if you mention the wrong game and say you like even the slightest thing about it.

For example: I read parts of Nobilis the other day and really liked the idea that the players have so much control over the cosmos. That the game can handle nobles of table manners as easily as it handles nobles of nuclear forces is great. And I really like the term Hollyhock God. It's got just enough symbollism and irreverence to make it vastly superior to the cliched GM and DM everyone seems so fond of.

Step back. You don't want to get caught in the backlash. :)

Quote from: WillCould I get a check on this... is the above true?

Because if so, maybe I'd better move on.

In broad terms, looking at Pundit's general policies here?

Yes.

True of every poster present, and the population here generally?

Some yes, some no.

Quote from: James McMurrayIt's true. You're free to discuss any game, but will get called many names and incite much flamage if you mention the wrong game and say you like even the slightest thing about it.

Which is a universal truth. Whether the one who does the flaming owns the site doesn't really matter unless he moderates it. And I'd rather be called a swine than be banned for passive-aggressiveness or other trivial crap.

(such as using the word "crap")

Ok, well, bye all. :/ Guess I'll see some folks on Levi's Craft site.

Quote from: SosthenesWhich is a universal truth.

Sure. If the only places you've been do that sort of thing, then it's true for your limited universe. It's certainly not true for the entire internet.

QuoteOk, well, bye all. :/ Guess I'll see some folks on Levi's Craft site.

Link?

Yes, The RPG Site is loaded with more traditional gamers. However, I think that this site also offers good conversation for indie fans.

While it is clear that The Pundit is ant-forge, I think the other mods are a bit more opne minded. I for one own several Forgie games and I like some of them and some of them I dislike.

Quote from: James McMurrayYou're free to discuss any game, but will get called many names and incite much flamage if you mention the wrong game and say you like even the slightest thing about it.

Of course, there's really only one, maybe two people who will do so.  I've found practically everyone else here downright civil thus far.  But, yeah, RPGPundit appears to be on a mission to declare a moral victory over "thin-skinned Swine" who have the temerity to admit that they like a game he hates.  The irony, of course, is that the real "thin-skinned Swine" want nothing to do with a site run by him, and he's cutting off his nose to spite his face by railing against the people who are here.

If it's any consolation, Will, I find that it helps if you treat his posts like performance art:  You snigger at the blatant self-mockery, and duck when the person on stage starts throwing raw meat at the audience. :)

!i!

Quote from: James McMurrayLink?

http://gamecraft.7.forumer.com/index.php (http://gamecraft.7.forumer.com/index.php) :D

!i!

QuoteThe irony, of course, is that the real "thin-skinned Swine" want nothing to do with a site run by him, and he's cutting off his nose to spite his face by railing against the people who are here.

There is much truth in there. I´l have to ponder this.

Quote from: James McMurrayNot really. To apply to me I'd have to be trying to show people that crapping isn't tolerated, since that's the group that statement is clearly aimed at. Quite the opposite, I'm acting in the way the board owner encourages me to act by his example. If this were a different board (say RPoL, the Hackmaster boards, or Star Fleet Battles forums) I'd be acting completely differently because the people that run those places know how to show/demonstrate that crapping isn't tolerated.

So you perceive the board owners as acting like asses, and have decided to act like an ass as well.  I guess that means there's little point discussing things with you in other threads. :(

Quote from: StuartSo you perceive the board owners as acting like asses, and have decided to act like an ass as well.  I guess that means there's little point discussing things with you in other threads. :(

slight correction, Pundit is the only owner of this site.

It might be helpful if the people who thought the Pundit was acting like an ass, and had decided that they were going to do the same, let the rest of us know about it...

Quote from: StuartSo you perceive the board owners as acting like asses, and have decided to act like an ass as well.  I guess that means there's little point discussing things with you in other threads. :(

Not at all. I've certainly tried to be civil with you, even when we disagree. However, there are people (including the owner) who feel it is their right and/or duty to act like an ass. when they do so, I respond in kind. I'm more than happy to have a real conversation with someone, similar to the "swinification" thread's discussion of varied levels of railroading we had (and may still be having, I haven't checked that thread yet).