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OBS new policies

Started by VengerSatanis, June 27, 2022, 04:26:48 PM

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Ghostmaker

#60
June 29, 2022, 07:43:59 AM
I would like to note that thanks to raging degenerate activism, the 'right to refuse service' is not nearly as far reaching as it used to be.

You can thank that mental defective in Colorado who keeps harassing the baker with lawsuits over that one.

GhostNinja

#61
June 29, 2022, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 10:25:19 PM

I agree and was relieved that the camera never went lower than it did.

If it had gone down any farther I would have stopped to video. gThe good news is, when someone says "fatbeard" I know who to picture in my head.
Ghostninja

THE_Leopold

#62
June 29, 2022, 09:39:30 AM
How much of this came down from WOTC/Hasbro in order to keep selling old TSR products?
NKL4Lyfe

BoxCrayonTales

#63
June 29, 2022, 09:50:05 AM
QuoteProduct Content

Neither your Work, description, nor any promotional material, including blog posts or press releases, may contain racist, homophobic, discriminatory, or other repugnant views; overt political agendas or views; depictions or descriptions of criminal violence against children; rape or other acts of criminal perversion; or other obscene material without the express written permission of OneBookShelf.

From their product standards guidelines: https://onebookshelfpublisherservice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227866467-Product-Standards-Guidelines

I don't think they're going to enforce this against the woke.

This also means a ton of edgy 90s books are in violation of the guidelines, particularly on Storyteller Vault. Are those going to be deactivated? Probably not.

Hooray for hypocrisy.

HappyDaze

#64
June 29, 2022, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 29, 2022, 04:14:06 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on June 28, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Hopladamus on June 28, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
I should be allowed to criticize a company for bad practices, which is what OBS is trying to ban with these new rules. No, they are not obligated to host Venger's content on their platform, but then, they are failing to provide me a service that I want, which I should be allowed to criticize.

Private companies are not allowed to do what they want BTW. They can't for example, fire or refuse service to people based on their religious beliefs. Why should political beliefs be any different?

Now, that being said, Venger does like to purposely create drama just for the sake of it, and OBS is a platform that is pretty clear about its dislike of drama.
You can criticize them, and then they can then "reserve the right to refuse service" to you.

Yes, but it's an extremely poor business practice for a big marketplace such as OBS. They can just ignore my criticism if they are not interested.
Or perhaps, as another poster pointed out, they really aren't that big so that when shit is flung at them, they feel it and want to hit back. If that's the case, you can put up your fight, but on their turf you're going to lose. They might lose you as a customer, but they seem comfortable with the consequences. You'll lose access to anythign there you might want to sell as well as anything you've bought. Is it worth it to you?

It's not that they are not a big company, it's just that tabletop RPGs are not a big industry. What would happen if the other companies started banning people from criticizing them? Are we to just stop doing game criticism completely?
They can't take away your free speech, but they can impose consequences as it relates to your continued access to their products/services. That doesn't mean anyone has to stop criticizing them...but they might not want to shit where they eat.

Shirtless dude took a stand on his video. Let's see what happens.

Zelen

#65
June 29, 2022, 10:59:06 AM
For those of you who have extensively used DT/OBS, what are the customer or vendor-facing features you would need to support a competitor?


As both a customer and a vendor of RPG products, I'm not interested in doing business with an untrustworthy & hateful service like this. I would be interested in creating some exclusive content for a competitor site, and would happily support a site that more closely aligned with healthy values.

Palleon

#66
June 29, 2022, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: Zelen on June 29, 2022, 10:59:06 AM
For those of you who have extensively used DT/OBS, what are the customer or vendor-facing features you would need to support a competitor?

Really it's not the features that everyone is relying on in any of these digital market places.  It's the product placement in front of the customer base that makes it appealing to authors.

GhostNinja

#67
June 29, 2022, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 28, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
If Raggi, You, FelixGamingX1 and others are serious about it you could pull together your resources, get a hosting service, buy a domain, install prestashop and buy the books template.

It's an instant ebook ecommerce bookstore.

I am not speaking for the person you were talking to, but I am considering doing just what you suggested.  I have no dog in this fight as I do not have products on OneShelf but I have hosting and I work in IT and could get a site up pretty quickly.

I would need support to get the word out so that people will sell items and people will know to come.

What is the average % that OBS gets for a .pdf?  I would try to price a bit lower to make it a little more desirable. 
Ghostninja

FelixGamingX1

#68
June 29, 2022, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: Zelen on June 29, 2022, 10:59:06 AM
For those of you who have extensively used DT/OBS, what are the customer or vendor-facing features you would need to support a competitor?


As both a customer and a vendor of RPG products, I'm not interested in doing business with an untrustworthy & hateful service like this. I would be interested in creating some exclusive content for a competitor site, and would happily support a site that more closely aligned with healthy values.

The hobby isn't large enough to build a website from scratch. However, if there's some talented individuals here who are serious about starting something new with real expectations then the community could crowdfund?
American writer and programmer, since 2016.
https://knightstabletoprpg.com

GhostNinja

#69
June 29, 2022, 11:15:57 AM
Quote from: Zelen on June 29, 2022, 10:59:06 AM
For those of you who have extensively used DT/OBS, what are the customer or vendor-facing features you would need to support a competitor?


As both a customer and a vendor of RPG products, I'm not interested in doing business with an untrustworthy & hateful service like this. I would be interested in creating some exclusive content for a competitor site, and would happily support a site that more closely aligned with healthy values.

I have the hosting space and the IT knowledge and as someone who doesnt have a product on OBS but doesnt like their policy am seriously thinking of setting something up.
Ghostninja

FelixGamingX1

#70
June 29, 2022, 11:18:32 AM Last Edit: June 29, 2022, 11:20:57 AM by FelixGamingX1
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 28, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
If Raggi, You, FelixGamingX1 and others are serious about it you could pull together your resources, get a hosting service, buy a domain, install prestashop and buy the books template.

It's an instant ebook ecommerce bookstore.

I am not speaking for the person you were talking to, but I am considering doing just what you suggested.  I have no dog in this fight as I do not have products on OneShelf but I have hosting and I work in IT and could get a site up pretty quickly.

I would need support to get the word out so that people will sell items and people will know to come.

What is the average % that OBS gets for a .pdf?  I would try to price a bit lower to make it a little more desirable.

If you're serious, as an independent dev I'm not willing to pay more than 20% unless there's enough spotlight time that would justify a increased percentage.

It's important to remember publishers bring traffic to your business even if the customer doesn't buy your product they could acquire a different title. In the end you profit, regardless. The more publishers you have the more traffic you generate. You get a lot of free marketing so 20% is good enough.
American writer and programmer, since 2016.
https://knightstabletoprpg.com

GhostNinja

#71
June 29, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 29, 2022, 11:18:32 AM

If you're serious, as an independent dev I'm not willing to pay more than 20% unless there's enough spotlight time that would justify a increased percentage.

I am as serious as it gets.  So would 15% be acceptable?  I think that could cover costs while giving the lions share to the developer.
Ghostninja

Palleon

#72
June 29, 2022, 11:23:47 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 29, 2022, 11:18:32 AM

If you're serious, as an independent dev I'm not willing to pay more than 20% unless there's enough spotlight time that would justify a increased percentage.

I am as serious as it gets.  So would 15% be acceptable?  I think that could cover costs while giving the lions share to the developer.

You are discounting all the marketing and accounting costs that will be associated with such a startup.  Remember that it's not the platform that OBS is providing that all these publishers want, it's the captured user base purchasing based on recommendations.

FelixGamingX1

#73
June 29, 2022, 11:24:39 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on June 29, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 29, 2022, 11:18:32 AM

If you're serious, as an independent dev I'm not willing to pay more than 20% unless there's enough spotlight time that would justify a increased percentage.

I am as serious as it gets.  So would 15% be acceptable?  I think that could cover costs while giving the lions share to the developer.

Sounds reasonable enough.
American writer and programmer, since 2016.
https://knightstabletoprpg.com

GhostNinja

#74
June 29, 2022, 11:25:55 AM
Quote from: Palleon on June 29, 2022, 11:23:47 AM

You are discounting all the marketing and accounting costs that will be associated with such a startup.  Remember that it's not the platform that OBS is providing that all these publishers want, it's the captured user base purchasing based on recommendations.

You are right.  As FelixGames said 20% would be acceptable and I think going any higher than that is just greedy.  If you keep it lean you can do well, attract more Devs and more traffic.
Ghostninja
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