Numenera 2 KS has started

Llew ap Hywel · September 19, 2017, 11:51:52 AM

If your so inclined

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montecookgames/numenera-2-discovery-and-destiny?ref=discovery

Already funded.

Caesar Slaad · September 19, 2017, 06:22:24 PM

I was on board for the original and the setting expansion (which gave me a ton of material), but I'm not sure I'm on board for this one. I love the setting, but the Cypher system does nothing for me, and I don't think I'll ever get use out of the destiny campaign.

Dumarest · September 19, 2017, 06:39:56 PM

I'm not even familiar with Numenera 1.

artikid · September 19, 2017, 06:59:19 PM

I was going to support N2 the way I had done for N1. Then I noticed that the full page count for N2 is (including settings) around 800 pages...
I think I'll pass this time or get pdfs.

Shawn Driscoll · September 19, 2017, 09:15:42 PM

More coffee table art books for the Monte Cook collectors.

Abraxus · September 19, 2017, 09:45:45 PM

What is it with rpg companies and issuing a new edition every five to six years. Is there going to be a new edition of the Strange and Cypher system as well. I'm all for rpg companies making money give it at least ten years. Unless it's D&D I'm not going to invest in a new edition every five years.

I may not like all the mechanics yet Monte rpgs has some of the better art in them imo.

Tait Ransom · September 19, 2017, 10:03:42 PM

I love the system, but it seems the prices are higher than I recall prior MCG Kickstarters. $100 for all the pdfs? I'm thinking I'll pass - even with their track record of good stretch goals, this is too pricey for me.

Xuc Xac · September 19, 2017, 10:11:52 PM

Quote from: sureshot;994088What is it with rpg companies and issuing a new edition every five to six years. Is there going to be a new edition of the Strange and Cypher system as well. I'm all for rpg companies making money give it at least ten years.

Yeah! Why can't they do it like they did in the old days and release an edition bit by bit over three years and then immediately (or concurrently) release another edition? 5 years (between AD&D2 revised and 3.0, and between 3.5 and 4th Ed) is the longest D&D has gone without an edition change, revision, or update. It's usually been 2 or 3 years.

Baulderstone · September 19, 2017, 10:38:54 PM

Quote from: sureshot;994088What is it with rpg companies and issuing a new edition every five to six years. Is there going to be a new edition of the Strange and Cypher system as well. I'm all for rpg companies making money give it at least ten years. Unless it's D&D I'm not going to invest in a new edition every five years.

I may not like all the mechanics yet Monte rpgs has some of the better art in them imo.

It isn't a new edition. It is just a revised version. The Kickstarter makes it clear that anyone using the old core book will have no issues continuing to use their old book with new supplements.

The pricing on this seems iffy. If I put down $40 for the PDF version, and I still don't qualify for stretch goals, I don't see the point in going in on the kickstarter at all. I'd be better off waiting for it come out before I buy it.

Brand55 · September 19, 2017, 11:09:11 PM

Quote from: Baulderstone;994101It isn't a new edition. It is just a revised version. The Kickstarter makes it clear that anyone using the old core book will have no issues continuing to use their old book with new supplements.

Yep. I was worried when I heard there was a new edition of Numenera coming out as I just picked up Predation a few weeks ago and it's only been on shelves about a month; if MCG was releasing a new version of the Cypher System already, I would not have been pleased. But it looks like the core Cypher System itself is remaining exactly the same and they're just revising some Numenera stuff and adding a bunch of new options.

I picked up The Strange but passed on Numenera after looking over a friend's book as the setting didn't wow me at all. The new stuff sounds good, but the pricing is a big deterrent for me. It doesn't help that there have been a bunch of good Kickstarters lately and even more on the way.

trechriron · September 20, 2017, 12:59:20 AM

Quote from: sureshot;994088What is it with rpg companies and issuing a new edition every five to six years. Is there going to be a new edition of the Strange and Cypher system as well. I'm all for rpg companies making money give it at least ten years. Unless it's D&D I'm not going to invest in a new edition every five years. ...

From the KS page...

Quote from: Numenera KickstarterBut Numenera Discovery is not a new edition. We will make virtually no changes to the way the game plays mechanically--and none of those changes affect the way NPCs, creatures, or items like cyphers or artifacts work. We also won't be making changes to the setting. So if you already play Numenera, your bestiaries, adventures, card decks, character portfolios, and books like Into the Night, Technology Compendium, and Jade Colossus will not be affected by these changes. We will not issue any "second editions" of the existing supporting titles--and if you choose not to get Numenera Discovery, future Numenera supplements will work fine with your existing Numenera corebook. Your ongoing campaign will flow smoothly through the change in corebooks. You will even be able to mix existing characters with those from Numenera Discovery into your game. In fact, the game can be played with both the existing corebook and Numenera Discovery in use at the same game table!

Mistwell · September 20, 2017, 01:16:08 AM

But Monte Cook said it was wrong to do a change like this, this soon after the initial release. That it's a sign of a money grab.

Remember these?

https://web.archive.org/web/20120430224053/http://www.montecook.com:80/arch_review26.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040223201928/http://www.gamingreport.com:80/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=66

Baulderstone · September 20, 2017, 01:30:59 AM

Quote from: Mistwell;994155But Monte Cook said it was wrong to do a change like this, this soon after the initial release. That it's a sign of a money grab.

Remember these?

https://web.archive.org/web/20120430224053/http://www.montecook.com:80/arch_review26.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040223201928/http://www.gamingreport.com:80/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=66

Sure. And Monte Cook spells out clearly what he sees as the difference between a new edition and a revisions and how 3.5 is more than just a revision because of the compatibility issues it brings. If Numenera doesn't have compatibility issues, he isn't being hypocritical.

It can be done. Savage Worlds has been through four versions so far, and they are all easily compatible. If you stuck with the first version of the rules, you can still use the newest supplements just fine.

dar · September 20, 2017, 02:38:00 AM

Savage Worlds. Call of Cthulhu. And probably others. GURPS before 4th comes to mind. It's not common with RPGs but it isn't strange.

crkrueger · September 20, 2017, 03:00:44 AM

Quote from: Baulderstone;994161Sure. And Monte Cook spells out clearly what he sees as the difference between a new edition and a revisions and how 3.5 is more than just a revision because of the compatibility issues it brings. If Numenera doesn't have compatibility issues, he isn't being hypocritical.

It can be done. Savage Worlds has been through four versions so far, and they are all easily compatible. If you stuck with the first version of the rules, you can still use the newest supplements just fine.

Well, he also said that he was against the originally planned 3.5 that was supposed to be a compatible minor cleanup/revision - and here he is offering his own relatively soon after the first release.

It's an odd kickstarter. Did they cut and paste the backer levels or are people getting the materials playtesters of the original corebook got, as opposed to playtesters of the new set?
He's screwing the pooch by not doing an "All-in pdf" level that's too good to pass up if he wants a bigass KS that won't cost him anything.