What current KS should i pop my cherry on?
AFAIAC none of them. I've backed quite the number of KS but at the moment nothing tickles my fancy. The next thing I throw any money at will probably be the new edition of Delta Green or Colonial Lovecraft Country for CoC.
If you like Kevin Crawford / Sine Nomine's work (Stars Without Number, Silent Legions, etc), then I highly recommend checking out his future Kickstarters. He uses KS very smartly. You get the beta PDF as soon as you pledge so if you read it and hate it, you can always bail out. Also, his betas are more complete and better edited than many publisher's final drafts. Effectively, he is using KS to pay for artwork, get pre-orders and drum up attention.
If you love Conan and boardgames, you can still jump into the Conan Boardgame kickstarter. The sheer number of minis alone make the price worth it, but the game itself looks like a badass RPG/board/minis hybrid. Remember the Heroquest boardgame? Think that highly evolved and expanded.
It's only available until 9/23 or 9/25 I think.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/conan
Footsoldiers: might be one for a starter as it is dirt cheap at 10$ Low fantasy setting. Looks like it is PDF/PNP only.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/771647680/foot-soldiers-pandp-rpg (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/771647680/foot-soldiers-pandp-rpg)
The Cloud Dungeon: Also dirt cheap at 3$ for the PNP version, 15$ for the print. Looks cute.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andhegames/the-cloud-dungeon-diy-paper-craft-rpg-game-diy-fun (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andhegames/the-cloud-dungeon-diy-paper-craft-rpg-game-diy-fun)
Legacy's Wake: 5e module. Little dubious on anything labled "adventure path". 40$ for the basic hardcover so not necessarily a good first foray if it caves.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/352549847/legacys-wake-adventure-path-5th-edition (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/352549847/legacys-wake-adventure-path-5th-edition?ref=discovery)
Lovecraftesque: GM-less game. Storytelling focused. 31$ for the print version 15$ for the PDF. If you dont like these sorts of games then pass.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1122788890/lovecraftesque (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1122788890/lovecraftesque)
I would say this one:
Infinity; RPG (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modiphius/corvus-bellis-infinity-roleplaying-game)
Based on the miniature game of the same name.
If you like Call of Cthulhu, then take a look at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/golden-goblin-press/tales-of-the-caribbean . Golden Goblin Press has done a number of previous kickstarters and delivered well. I'm backing for the pdf.
If you like funky dice, take a look at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2025825791/death-by-dietm-dice-of-treasure-and-loot . I haven't backed him before, but looking at previous kickstarters he's delivered in the past. I'm backing at the "Greed+5" level.
Quote from: Sommerjon;856518I would say this one:
Infinity; RPG (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modiphius/corvus-bellis-infinity-roleplaying-game)
Based on the miniature game of the same name.
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I would back Phil McGregor's Kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1009649146/road-to-armageddon-a-modern-military-role-playing
Simply because the guy has been designing games since the 1970s, having worked on Space Opera
With some interest, I'm watching "The Others: 7 Sins (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/the-others-7-sins)" which is basically a boardgame riff on Hellboy/BPRD.
CMON has a pretty good track record of successful KS's, though they almost always take longer than projected to deliver.
It still has 17 days to go.
Thing is that many projects from CMON, you can wait until the whole drive is over, see what's offered, and, more likely than not, you'll have an opportunity to get exactly the same deals as a "late backer."
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Seconding the Sine Nomine recommendation, even if you don't play Stars Without Number (neither do I, actually); his books are delivered on time and chock full of good content. Starvation Cheap had me at the title.
Quote from: JeremyR;856659I would back Phil McGregor's Kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1009649146/road-to-armageddon-a-modern-military-role-playing
Simply because the guy has been designing games since the 1970s, having worked on Space Opera
I hadn't heard of that one, and it sounds like he's got most of the work already done - stretch goals are intended to provide more art, which is a nice way to handle this. I'm not sold on the genre, mind, but that sounds like a kickstarter that's very unlikely to fail.
Quote from: Saplatt;856663With some interest, I'm watching "The Others: 7 Sins (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/the-others-7-sins)" which is basically a boardgame riff on Hellboy/BPRD.
CMON has a pretty good track record of successful KS's, though they almost always take longer than projected to deliver.
It still has 17 days to go.
Thing is that many projects from CMON, you can wait until the whole drive is over, see what's offered, and, more likely than not, you'll have an opportunity to get exactly the same deals as a "late backer."
If I were to do that, I'd probably pledge a dollar, so that at least I'd have full access to the kickstarter and could post comments and read all updates. (Not that I remember CMON doing a lot of backer-only updates.) I did something similar when I got in on a bulk shipment of a boardgame kickstarter.
I've got my eye on this project, mostly seeing how crazy the number of minis grow to before I back.
Id suggest a few FF style gamebooks but all the current ones have ended, including a re-release of the original Way of the Tiger series as hardbacks.
Westward Dystopia I missed out on, and unfortunately for me The Frankenstein Wars was app only. Megara has been cranking out the gamebooks lately. Another Fabled Lands entry and the aformentioned Way of the Tiger among others.
It seems like Modiphius was formed solely for trying to make the world record for the number of licensed RPGs destroyed by a single game designer. :D
Thanks for the 7 Sins headup. Pride and Sloth demons, woohoo Dragon Age, here we come.
Total cop-out on the Lust Demons, expected better from the Cmon people. Alien, lust-inspiring, disgusting and horrific is possible. Bioware's been doing it for years, Games Workshop for decades. The sculpts themselves technically though are top notch.
While not quite to the "no-brainer" level that the Monolith Conan was, this is a great opportunity.
BTW, Dan, I think you can still do a Late Pledge on the Monolith Conan game.
Quote from: Omega;856708Id suggest a few FF style gamebooks but all the current ones have ended, including a re-release of the original Way of the Tiger series as hardbacks.
Westward Dystopia I missed out on, and unfortunately for me The Frankenstein Wars was app only. Megara has been cranking out the gamebooks lately. Another Fabled Lands entry and the aformentioned Way of the Tiger among others.
Hey Omega, Jeffrey Dean here, author and publisher of Westward Dystopia! I wanted to let you and any other interested parties know that the book is now available to gamebook fans that may have missed the kickstarter.
It's available as an ebook on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Westward-Dystopia-Road-Traveled-Gamebook-ebook/dp/B014H5FIF0 (http://www.amazon.com/Westward-Dystopia-Road-Traveled-Gamebook-ebook/dp/B014H5FIF0)
And you can purchase it in paperback directly from my website http://www.greekwinter.com (http://www.greekwinter.com)
Book 2: Spire Ablaze is also in its final stages. You can follow updates at the official Greek Winter Media social media page here: https://www.facebook.com/GreekWinter (https://www.facebook.com/GreekWinter)
Great news. Thanks for hopping in and letting people know.
Quote from: CRKrueger;856726It seems like Modiphius was formed solely for trying to make the world record for the number of licensed RPGs destroyed by a single game designer. :D
Sure does. :D Which is a pity, because I really like
Achtung! Cthulhu and their English edition of
Mutant: År Noll (Mutant: Year Zero), a lot.
This is kind of crazy, but it looks like Blood Rage is taking late pledges, despite the fact that some of the backers have already received their stuff.
What's even stranger is that the order has to be accessed through the late pledges for Black Plague: Zombicide.
Go figure.
The new Car Wars will go up on KS soon. I am passing on it as its stated to make alot of changes to the system and the backhanded way the whole thing has been handled.
Quote from: Omega;857552The new Car Wars will go up on KS soon. I am passing on it as its stated to make alot of changes to the system and the backhanded way the whole thing has been handled.
I'll probably take a look - I'm fond of Car Wars Classic and I'm looking forward to the Arenas that should be arriving soon.
Had a glance over on Indiegogo and did not see anything really interesting over there currently running other than Rats. Indiegogo is not as easy to navigate with the search feature hidden.
Quote from: Sommerjon;856518I would say this one:
Infinity; RPG (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modiphius/corvus-bellis-infinity-roleplaying-game)
Based on the miniature game of the same name.
I will second that recommendation, but I'm biased.
What I will say is this
(1) If you like PDFs, then the value of the £100 / $150ish PDF Subscription is going to be absolutely phenomenal. (The £300 Print & PDF level is a hefty price tag,
(2) If you're a fan of my node-based scenario design and you really wish there were more scenarios and campaigns that used it... I can't even begin to express to you the incredible amount of scenario support INFINITY is going to have.
As for those who weren't big fans of the more dissociated/narrative mechanics in the implementation of the 2d20 System used in
Mutant Chronicles, we're going to be developing the system in different ways for
Infinity. (Although if you just don't like the GM using abstract mechanics in general -- for example, if you really hate random encounter tables -- then you still won't like what we're doing with the Heat mechanics.)
Quote from: Omega;857552The new Car Wars will go up on KS soon. I am passing on it as its stated to make alot of changes to the system and the backhanded way the whole thing has been handled.
I've been really excited about this one, but hadn't heard about any problems with it. What's been happening?
Quote from: One Horse Town;856444What current KS should i pop my cherry on?
None. Don't do it. Do not work on promises that rarely deliver on time, or that will likely burn out. There's nothing in a Kickstarter, especially when it comes to table top that's worth the potential headache.
As I said, don't work on vague promises, work on products delivered already.
Quote from: Justin Alexander;857729I've been really excited about this one, but hadn't heard about any problems with it. What's been happening?
The first hints of trouble was when they set up on the Ogre KS that only the people who bought a T-shirt for Car Wars on the Ogre KS would have say or be able to discuss how the game was developed. Everyone else? Fuck off. We'll maybee listen. Yeah dream on.
The first mentions of changes came out last year and just recently was announced that the new CW would have several changes in the system.
QuoteIt's as different, from what's been leaked to those of us not in on the Ogre KS, in almost every way except basic concept.
And from Reed.
QuoteThe new edition has vehicle design rules. The system is much faster than the old Car Wars game, and players can sit down and design cars in 5 to 10 minutes. The focus is on car combat, not car math. We want players getting in and duelling quickly.
Expansions will add more car options, but the basic games will have everything players need to get in to design cars and start combat right away.
They have some playtest data up now if you want to peruse that. You may like all the changes, may hate it. YMMV on the battle highway.
Quote from: Saplatt;857493This is kind of crazy, but it looks like Blood Rage is taking late pledges, despite the fact that some of the backers have already received their stuff.
What's even stranger is that the order has to be accessed through the late pledges for Black Plague: Zombicide.
Go figure.
Okay, so apparently what happened is that CMON allowed a limited number of late, late, late pledges for
Blood Rage, most likely to deal with overstock resulting from people who, for one reason or another, didn't follow through on their pledges. (
Blood Rage has actually been delivered to some customers in Asia and Europe and is scheduled to arrive in the USA in a week or two.)
Mechanically, you basically had to already have an account with them or at least backed a previous late pledge in order to take advantage of this one.
It looks like the window of opportunity for this lasted less than 48 hours and it seems to be over.
It caused quite a little controversy among early backers, some of whom feel bitterly misled and betrayed upon learning that someone else got the same deal, including exclusives, many months later, and only after almost all of the "risk" (of production or shipping problems or simply bad reviews) was gone.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;857731None. Don't do it. Do not work on promises that rarely deliver on time, or that will likely burn out. There's nothing in a Kickstarter, especially when it comes to table top that's worth the potential headache.
As I said, don't work on vague promises, work on products delivered already.
Completely wrong. Kevin Crawford delivers like a clockwork, his products are top notch, and he funds art (which he then makes public domain) and different file formats through KS.
Quote from: Luca;857735Completely wrong. Kevin Crawford delivers like a clockwork, his products are top notch, and he funds art (which he then makes public domain) and different file formats through KS.
True. A well done KS is great.
Unfortunately theres an increasing number of either fails, or delays or other problems. This isnt surprising as alot of these people are amatures and never ever factored in all the costs of production. Or get sticker shock when they learn its costing more to make and ship the game than the retail.
Then there are companies like Game Salute who have made a business model of fucking up KS campaigns and delays counting into the multiple years. To the point they are now fronting through covers so backers dont catch on as easily.
Makes things harder for the legitimate ones.
Quote from: Omega;857738Makes things harder for the legitimate ones.
Just do your homework and things will likely work out. For those on which you can't find enough info either forget it or accept the loss upfront.
Something you can do immediately and easily: click on the KS creator name, the page lists the number of previous KS as "
created". Click on that number and go check how previous projects panned out.
Unfortunately, there's nothing going on right now that's drawing my interest, so be sure to follow the cardinal rules of KS backing:
Be patient and wait for projects that are actually interesting. Do some homework, and from the projects you're interested in pick one from a creator that has a solid reputation in KS, IRL, or both.
Shoot OHT, considering the forum, you're implying interest in an RPG KS, but there's tons of other stuff there too.
Cheapass Games is about to do a Kill Doctor Lucky kickstarter. Totally worth it. Their last Kickstarter, Give Me The Brain, was totally worth it as well and arrived on time and looking great!
Quote from: Christopher Brady;857731None. Don't do it. Do not work on promises that rarely deliver on time, or that will likely burn out. There's nothing in a Kickstarter, especially when it comes to table top that's worth the potential headache.
As I said, don't work on vague promises, work on products delivered already.
Total crap. (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=32493)
Now there are green flags and orange/red flags when it comes to which projects to back, but personally I'd just bide your time and wait until you see some RPG that takes your fancy. (Scan the KS and IGG pages once a week or something).
If you do want to dive in immediately, I think the biggest upcoming one is Delta Green.
But there are always plenty of little projects that you can back for ten bucks or so for the PDF only.
Quote from: Motorskills;857769Total crap. (http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=32493)
Just because YOU got lucky doesn't mean everyone else will. The Law of Averages does not care who, or what, you are.
Don't do it. Do NOT work on promises. Work on products delivered. I don't think one of those actually hit it's promised release date. In fact, some of them take years to come out, even if they do.
The only thing you can do is pick a respected name, and hope for the best. Do you do what when you buy a TV? Or even pick up groceries on a promise that it will deliver on the day in the future.
Kickstarting is a dumb idea, and promotes the fact that Gamers are gullible fools who would love to back an idea, a promise that may or may not deliver. But because most of the denominations are so low, if they don't come out, the loss will be written off, with a wistful 'Oh well'.
Don't do it. Save your money for something that actually exists and is tangible beyond an idea on paper, or someone's head.
Overall, KS has been great for me - both RPG stuff and non-RPG stuff.
My experience has ranged from good to great.
In some ways, the charity projects have been the most fun. I am absolutely loving the Lightsail space project with Bill Nye and I got to help a DIY heavy metal festival kick ass and got 25 demos from local bands.
Slacktivism? Kinda sorta.
My only semi-regret has been the Robotech wargame from Palladium, Wave 2 of the minis is a year late and probably will be 2-3 years late. However, I got Wave 1 which I can easily sell for more than price I paid for all the minis. So if I wait, I can sell the whole package at profit or decide to paint and play.
Why semi-regret? The minis are a pain in the ass to construct so I am going to have to decide whether I am going flip it on eBay or drop $1000 to have all the minis built and painted for me. I have no talent for minis.
And even that was $150. I've wasted that in the past 6 months on three restaurants with 5 star Yelp reviews only to feel the meal was worth 2 stars.
I don't back pie-in-the-sky projects where the creator has an idea and a wish. I like seeing prototypes, detailed plans, track records and most of all with RPGs, I like seeing the beta as soon as I pledge.
Heck, how different is that from flipping through a book at the FLGS?
Hey, I just got my Monsters Macabre PDF for Chill/Cryptworld!!
I've only read monsters A through C (Batsquatch! Creeping Eye!) and there's no doubt it was worth the cheap purchase, especially the new kewl monster powerz.
Quote from: Luca;857742Just do your homework and things will likely work out. For those on which you can't find enough info either forget it or accept the loss upfront.
Something you can do immediately and easily: click on the KS creator name, the page lists the number of previous KS as " created". Click on that number and go check how previous projects panned out.
Thats great IF they ever did one previously.
But that totally screws the legitimate startups. And KS was created to fasciliate startups. That is is becoming more a venue for "known" publishers gradually is the problem.
Last year I backed the Fallout game and one of my friends backed both the Facerig voice-sync animator and the Shadowrun PC game. Those all went through fine.
Way of the West was the exact opposite and the "Heroquest 25th anniversary" game has become an epic beyond epic train wreck.
And the "Doom that came to Atlantic City" disaster no one saw coming, not even the designer and artist until it was too late. It had two well known people working on it and all looked fine.
And game Salute has taken to using fronts and other tricks so you really have to dig to find out.
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/171113/game-salute-cautionary-tale (https://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/171113/game-salute-cautionary-tale)
Sure they get the game eventually. But that is 40+ incidents alone and getting harder to pin them down.
Quote from: Omega;857805That is is becoming more a venue for "known" publishers gradually is the problem.
Agreed. However, I think if a new publisher who follows the Sine Nomine model (aka 99% of the writing is done, just asking $$ for art), I believe they can get some traction via KS.
Boardgames are hell to produce because of the variety of components which have to then be packed into the box for fulfillment. New companies are probably better off starting with a non-CCG card game since all you need is cards, text, art and the box.
Quote from: Spinachcat;857821Agreed. However, I think if a new publisher who follows the Sine Nomine model (aka 99% of the writing is done, just asking $$ for art), I believe they can get some traction via KS.
Boardgames are hell to produce because of the variety of components which have to then be packed into the box for fulfillment. New companies are probably better off starting with a non-CCG card game since all you need is cards, text, art and the box.
Some KS claim to be "90% done!" and then, well, they aint.
With an RPG you have that yin-yang of do you do the writing beforehand. But maybee dont get funded, or wait for funding then start. Selling an "idea". Personally I wouldnt fund an "idea" as it may never see completion.
Quote from: Omega;857852Some KS claim to be "90% done!" and then, well, they aint.
That's absolutely true.
The Palladium Robotech KS is an example of an KS where the creators believed they were at the finish line, instead of realizing they were at the starting line.
However, those RPG KS where there is a downloadable beta as soon as you pledge, the backers can see exactly what % of the project is actually complete. I'd even be okay with a 50% done beta if after pledging I saw the 50% was good stuff.
I am surprised more publishers don't follow the Sine Nomine model.
Of course, presenting a beta is a double edged sword. A young metal band was seeking funding for their debut album and posted a couple songs for backers to hear...and after a listen, I decided not to pledge.
Quote from: Christopher Brady;857773Just because YOU got lucky doesn't mean everyone else will. The Law of Averages does not care who, or what, you are.
Never get out of bed in the morning, some people have been hit by cars.
You're talking absolute nonsense. Are there risks, have there been scams, let-downs, whathaveyou?
Absolutely.
But KS continues to be hugely successful for RPGs, and other sorts of games for a reason. For the vast majority of projects IT WORKS.
I haven't been lucky, my experience is totally typical.
(As an aside, I think the jury is still out on whether small / new outfits are being harmed by the big guys joining in. My feels is that there is room for everyone, but time will tell.
Either way, it doesn't affect the OP.)
Quote from: Christopher Brady;857773Kickstarting is a dumb idea, and promotes the fact that Gamers are gullible fools who would love to back an idea, a promise that may or may not deliver. But because most of the denominations are so low, if they don't come out, the loss will be written off, with a wistful 'Oh well'.
No, Kickstarting is a great idea, because it lets people create cool stuff without already having access to the capital required to create it.
The big thing to realize is that Kickstarter carries the risk of an investment without actually being an investment. There is no guarantee that the cool thing will ever be created, and there's not much protection for people who get ripped off.
So, the best thing to do is to research the people running the Kickstarter, to see if they are likely to deliver (eventually). Also, like investing, never put in more than you can afford to lose.
I've backed 17 Kickstarters, and 13 of those were fully delivered. Most of them were a little late, but not by more than I was willing to wait. Of the 4 that haven't fully delivered, 2 have partially delivered and the other 2 aren't late yet.
My worst Kickstarter experience was with the Peril on the Purple Planet kickstarter, only because the shipping costs were much higher than I anticipated. The biggest problem there was that they invoiced it AFTER the Canadian dollar tanked, which made it about 50% higher than it would have been when I actually received the product (which is awesome and worth it anyway).
It's easy to get screwed on Kickstarter, but with a little due diligence it is also a great way to help people create some cool stuff that might not exist without it.
Quote from: Omega;857805Thats great IF they ever did one previously.
But that totally screws the legitimate startups. And KS was created to fasciliate startups. That is is becoming more a venue for "known" publishers gradually is the problem.
Well, the problem is that the legitimate startups are being held back by the people who ran kickstarters and then failed to deliver, or failed to deliver well.
The solution is really the same as with any similar endevour - make your point that what you're delivering has the best chances of succeeding. If it's an RPG, have a beta document. If it's a boardgame, make a print-n-play and share it, and make a few copies by hand and send them off to trusted reviewers.
If people can't use your reputation to judge if you're worthwhile, then you've got to convince them that you've got the chops to get it done.
to go back to the OP's request, the Kickstarter from arcdream for the new edition of Delta Green just started, and is half way funded.
if it is anything like the previous edition, it should rock.
Quote from: remial;858189to go back to the OP's request, the Kickstarter from arcdream for the new edition of Delta Green just started, and is half way funded.
if it is anything like the previous edition, it should rock.
Yeah, I'm backing it for a fair chunk of money.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/arcdream/delta-green-the-role-playing-game if you want to take a look.
Quote from: remial;858189to go back to the OP's request, the Kickstarter from arcdream for the new edition of Delta Green just started, and is half way funded.
if it is anything like the previous edition, it should rock.
Tempting, but difficult to estimate eventual shipping costs to Europe.
Quote from: 3rik;858196Tempting, but difficult to estimate eventual shipping costs to Europe.
Well, there are a few PDF-only support levels.
Quote from: 3rik;858196Tempting, but difficult to estimate eventual shipping costs to Europe.
If they ship from the USA without going through an european warehouse first, it will be expensive. It will also depends on how many printed books you want to get, of course.
Personally, I just estimate an added $35 or so and if it turns out to be lower so much the better.
Also, the KS funded in 4 hours or so.
Quote from: Delta Green KickstarterDelta Green had always been a setting for Call of Cthulhu. After Targets of Opportunity, it was obvious the time had come to make it a standalone game. That was not a simple decision. Call of Cthulhu has always been our favorite role-playing game, bar none. But creating a dedicated set of rules would focus the game like a targeting laser on the issues that are most compelling in Delta Green: not only individual characters’ health and sanity but the impact of their investigations on their personal lives. At the same time it gave us the chance to streamline the rules to fit the way Delta Green ought to play: fast, suspenseful, unpredictable, and rife with terrors that not even the most experienced players can predict.
Umm...
Quotecreating a dedicated set of rules would focus the game like a targeting laser on the issues that are most compelling in Delta Green: not only individual characters’ health and sanity but the impact of their investigations on their personal lives.
Oh Sweet Jesus H Christ on a pogosticked crutch! Not again...
Attack: Cthulhu punches 1d6 investigators in their significant other per round. Players may choose to have Acquaintances(TM) take the damage instead.
Nah, I'm probably jumping to conclusions, it can't be that ba...
Quote from: Delta Green KickstarterBONDS: Most agents have a few Bonds, powerful personal relationships that are a source of strength and of vulnerability. You can rely on Bonds to reduce SAN loss by projecting the trauma onto the Bond. The Bond score suffers as your relationship deteriorates, but it might keep you sane. You can also use a Bond to keep control of yourself when temporary insanity strikes or a long-term disorder threatens to take over. That stress, too, causes the Bond to erode. Long-term Delta Green campaigns feature occasional scenes of an agent’s home life to explore the shape of those deteriorating Bonds and to offer a chance to repair them — unless you’d rather undertake important training or research instead, or work extra hard to save your career instead of keeping your family close.
Oh so Cthulhu can PUNCH you in the Mary Jane...but only if you as a Player don't want the Character to accept Sanity Loss.
Thank god, for a second there I thought they were going down the road of turning yet another classic RPG into a storywank.
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/suicide.gif)
P.S. I hope the whole "War on Terror" cover isn't so that PCs can work with ISIS against DHS (which is probably what MJ-12 turned into).
CRK, the new Delta Green is nowhere near a storywank. It's far more traditional than ToC or CoC7e. Check out the DG Rpg Cheat Sheets (https://www.dropbox.com/s/icny21ke8lblraj/Delta%20Green%20RPG%20cheat%20sheets.pdf?dl=0) for more detail.
I've been a CoC fan for the past 30 years, and was really disappointed in the direction that Chaosium took 7e in. I participated in the KS, got burned per se, and will never use 7e. I had concerns about the new DG and was really impressed when I looked at the playtest docs many months ago. If I wasn't using 6e for a CoC campaign I would definitely use the new DG instead because I find it that solid.
Quote from: CRKrueger;858217Umm...
Oh so Cthulhu can PUNCH you in the Mary Jane...but only if you as a Player don't want the Character to accept Sanity Loss.
My feeling is more that you're suffering from sanity loss, turn to drinking more, which erodes the relationship with your girlfriend, who doesn't understand why you're always drunk. And you care too much for her to explain to her exactly why your choices are being drunk or putting a bullet in your head.
So, you're not insane, but you're not well either. I haven't looked in more detail yet - but personally my general feeling after buying a few decades of stuff from Delta Green and The Unspeakable oath is that I can trust them with my money.
Quote from: CRKrueger;858217Oh so Cthulhu can PUNCH you in the Mary Jane...but only if you as a Player don't want the Character to accept Sanity Loss.
There's a finite amount that Bonds can limit the amount of Sanity-loss (a loss of 1d6 Willpower preventing that much Sanity-loss, half of which is also subtracted from the value of the Bond), so clearly not enough to limit the impact of seeing a Great Old One.
That Delta Green Kickstarter has me interested, and I've never had anything to do with Kickstarter before. I find the tiers a bit confusing, due to the multiplicity of options, and the price for a physical book seems a bit high to me. Fifty dollars plus shipping? Woah.
Quote from: Géza Echs;858223I find the tiers a bit confusing, due to the multiplicity of options, and the price for a physical book seems a bit high to me. Fifty dollars plus shipping? Woah.
The tiers are indeed confusing, however $50 for a full color hardback is pretty much par for the course today, unfortunately. The pdf of just the main book is at $20 if you don't need the print version.
Quote from: Luca;858224The tiers are indeed confusing, however $50 for a full color hardback is pretty much par for the course today, unfortunately. The pdf of just the main book is at $20 if you don't need the print version.
I'd vastly prefer a physical copy for a game I'd intend to play (PDFs are fine for games I'm more likely to read than play). Fifty bucks for a retail copy I could understand (due to store markup, and so on), but for what is, effectively, a mail-order product (complete with shipping)? That's a bit rich for me.
Quote from: jcfiala;856694I've got my eye on this project, mostly seeing how crazy the number of minis grow to before I back.
This one is really taking off today, with 7 days still to go. The "Apocalypse Box (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/the-others-7-sins/posts/1366927)" add-on created quite a stir.
Quote from: jcfiala;858220My feeling is more that you're suffering from sanity loss, turn to drinking more, which erodes the relationship with your girlfriend, who doesn't understand why you're always drunk. And you care too much for her to explain to her exactly why your choices are being drunk or putting a bullet in your head.
So, you're not insane, but you're not well either. I haven't looked in more detail yet - but personally my general feeling after buying a few decades of stuff from Delta Green and The Unspeakable oath is that I can trust them with my money.
Quote from: K Peterson;858221There's a finite amount that Bonds can limit the amount of Sanity-loss (a loss of 1d6 Willpower preventing that much Sanity-loss, half of which is also subtracted from the value of the Bond), so clearly not enough to limit the impact of seeing a Great Old One.
I get it, I do. I think it's a thematic improvement over the Lovecraftian Model of "We all go insane...eventually." I just don't like to author my own story as a player from the outside, that's not what I roleplay for, and mechanics that force me to do it make the game useless to me. Now from the Cheat Sheet, the Bonds seem completely ignorable, although everything in the game is handing out SAN loss assuming you will offload insanities onto Bonds, so it might be tweaked on the high side, but not a problem.
Now if I had a GM who kept track of Bonds based on what I did in the actual game and weakened/lowered/cratered them based on making Sanity work behind the scenes, that would be awesome, watching your world crumble around you for reasons you can't define while you feel no different, crazy people don't know their crazy. It's basically roleplaying going crazy without the player facing the mechanics, just the GM running the world. That's how I'd use Bonds anyway.
Quote from: CRKrueger;858230I just don't like to author my own story as a player from the outside, that's not what I roleplay for, and mechanics that force me to do it make the game useless to me.
Sure, that's understandable. It does break the fourth wall of immersion by requiring out-of-character consideration. Personally, I think it's a very minor
storywank inclusion - if you put it on the spectrum between CoC 6e and Modiphius, it's not going to be anywhere near the latter. ;)
If you feel that way about bonds, you'd also probably want to also reject or modify the "Home" part of play (which is a little like Pendragon's Winter phase, I guess). Where agents can rebuild Bonds (or create new ones), or train skills, or research Mythos tomes, or get some psychotherapy. The former would also be fourth-wall, player storyboarding his character's downtime, type of experience.
Quote from: CRKrueger;858217Oh so Cthulhu can PUNCH you in the Mary Jane...but only if you as a Player don't want the Character to accept Sanity Loss.
I'm not sure that's a fair characterization.
Bonds sound like ToC Sources of Stability.
Quote from: Trail of Cthulhu Player's Guide, p. 81, "Refreshing Stability Between Adventures"In campaigns using Sources of Stability, the Investigator must spend calm, undisturbed quality time with his Sources, allowing him to forget the shadowy world of the Mythos for a moment. Keepers who wish to add a soap opera element to their campaigns, in which the Investigators must balance the everyday pressures of ordinary life against their activities as covert battlers of the supernatural, can complicate this process. In this campaign type, the Investigators must work to keep their support networks intact. If they fail, they refresh no Stability between episodes.
That's not "Cthulhu punches you in the girlfriend." That's "your loved ones keep you sane, but as you keep seeing weird shit you lose the capacity to relate and spiral into madness."
Sounds tricky to implement, but it's not "dissociated" and something a good GM can manage.
I'll look into the playtest doc and report back.
Quote from: The Butcher;858236I'm not sure that's a fair characterization.
Bonds sound like ToC Sources of Stability.
That's not "Cthulhu punches you in the girlfriend." That's "your loved ones keep you sane, but as you keep seeing weird shit you lose the capacity to relate and spiral into madness."
Sounds tricky to implement, but it's not "dissociated" and something a good GM can manage.
I'll look into the playtest doc and report back.
The cheat sheet rules are linked. If you will suffer from a Temporary Insanity, you can resist it by spending WillPower and losing rating from a Bond. It's not so much "If I don't keep up my Bonds I can't use them to recover from a Mythos experience off-camera." it's "On-camera, right after seeing a Mythos creature, which would otherwise drive me temporarily insane, the player can choose to deny that insanity, but it will result in the lessening of the Bond, or "Denied Stress Causes Fallout" if you want to use terms other games have used.
In the end, Cthulhu scared Spidey in the Mary Jane.
It's an absolutely brutal and brilliant OOC narrative genre mechanic, but I like roleplaying Charles Legrasse and Prof. Warren Rice, not HP Lovecraft.
Quote from: K Peterson;858235Sure, that's understandable. It does break the fourth wall of immersion by requiring out-of-character consideration. Personally, I think it's a very minor storywank inclusion - if you put it on the spectrum between CoC 6e and Modiphius, it's not going to be anywhere near the latter. ;)
If you feel that way about bonds, you'd also probably want to also reject or modify the "Home" part of play (which is a little like Pendragon's Winter phase, I guess). Where agents can rebuild Bonds (or create new ones), or train skills, or research Mythos tomes, or get some psychotherapy. The former would also be fourth-wall, player storyboarding his character's downtime, type of experience.
I playtested this and I didn't really feel the downtime rules required stepping out out of character. It's really an easy decision to make in character. Are you spending your downtime with loved ones, or are you spending all your time poring over a book that you can never let them even glimpse, to give one example. It didn't feel any more meta than Runequest's training rules or spending XP at the end of a session.
It's worth remembering, that these are abstract downtime rules. Delta Green isn't a Spider-Man comic, where the story is about about his adventures and the time he spends with Mary Jane, with the two regularly overlapping.
Game sessions focus on the secret missions you perform for Delta Green. Mary Jane probably is never going to be "on-screen". The other PCs will probably never meet her. The downtime "mini-game" just lets you spend a few minutes at the end of every session to get an idea of what it going on with your PC outside of missions.
The system as a whole didn't feel any more meta than CoC already does, with its rules that dictate behavior at times. It simply felt like CoC with a more sensible, less randomly immersion breaking sanity system, and the PC felt a little more like they actually did things aside from investigate eldritch horrors.
Quote from: CRKrueger;858240The cheat sheet rules are linked. If you will suffer from a Temporary Insanity, you can resist it by spending WillPower and losing rating from a Bond. It's not so much "If I don't keep up my Bonds I can't use them to recover from a Mythos experience off-camera." it's "On-camera, right after seeing a Mythos creature, which would otherwise drive me temporarily insane, the player can choose to deny that insanity, but it will result in the lessening of the Bond, or "Denied Stress Causes Fallout" if you want to use terms other games have used.
In the end, Cthulhu scared Spidey in the Mary Jane.
Of course, trouble connecting with loved ones is a very real symptom of PTSD, so I am not sure what your complaint there is.
Quote from: CRKrueger;858240The cheat sheet rules are linked. If you will suffer from a Temporary Insanity, you can resist it by spending WillPower and losing rating from a Bond. It's not so much "If I don't keep up my Bonds I can't use them to recover from a Mythos experience off-camera." it's "On-camera, right after seeing a Mythos creature, which would otherwise drive me temporarily insane, the player can choose to deny that insanity, but it will result in the lessening of the Bond, or "Denied Stress Causes Fallout" if you want to use terms other games have used.
Or Mythos madness lessened your ability to relate to a fellow human being.
It's questionable psychology (the popular idea that you can "suck in" or "dam" stress instead of "blowing off steam" in a fit of temporary insanity, but the pent-up crazy will eat you), but it does make a certain amount of sense from a in-game-world perspective, without necessarily breaking immersion. We do have a degree of choice on how we deal with mental hazards.
Decapitalize the sentence between quotes and you'll see what I mean.
Quote from: Baulderstone;858242Of course, trouble connecting with loved ones is a very real symptom of PTSD, so I am not sure what your complaint there is.
The point is that a soldier can't choose to not freeze in combat and die at the expense of suffering PTSD later, it just happens. The author of the story the soldier is in has to make that determination.
I want to RP the soldier, not the author and the soldier. Pretty simple.
Ok lets look at how I can mitigate SAN loss.
QuoteAdaptation
If you lose SAN from a threat three times without going insane, you become adapted. When adapted to a threat, you always succeed at Sanity tests for it. You cannot adapt to unnatural threats.
• VIOLENCE: Lose 1D6 CHA and the same amount from each Bond.
• HELPLESSNESS: Lose 1D6 POW and add the same amount to your Breaking Point.
Lets look at what causes Violence SAN loss.
QuoteSUFFERING VIOLENCE LOSS
- Ambushed or hit by gunfire - 0/1
- Surprised by a corpse - 0/1D2
- —It’s someone you love - 0/1D4
- Unexpectedly stabbedor strangled - 0/1D4
- Reduced to 2 HP or less - 0/1D6
- Tortured - 0/1D10
So if I am "Adapted to Violence" (either by starting that way, or successfully making three saves against that type of loss), then I automatically make a SAN save which means, the more violence I get into, the greater a chance of losing CHA and thus ratings in all my Bonds. So WAR will drive you insane or make you deadened to violence, then from that point on the more violence you survive, the worse your relationships will become.
Another way out...
QuoteProjection
When you lose SAN, you can spend 1D6 WP to reduce the SAN loss by that amount. Reduce one Bond by half that much (round up). The next time you interact with that Bond, describe the deterioration.
100% Pure Narrative Control. I choose to reduce the SAN loss, I choose the Bond lost, I narrate how the Bond is reduced...as the character? Obviously not.
Finally...
QuoteRepressing Insanity
When you suffer temporary insanity or an acute episode of indefinite insanity, you can try to keep control of your character by focusing on the people who depend on you.
• Spend 1D6 WP.
• Reduce one Bond by half the WP you spent (round up). The next time you interact with that Bond, describe the strain.
• Attempt a Sanity test, adding the Bond’s value as a bonus, to repress the insanity.
"you can try to keep control of your character" - again 100% Player facing mechanic meant to give the player narrative control over the Mythos Fallout affecting the character.
The key signature aspect of a Mythos game is how it deals with Sanity. This game storywanks it.
Quote from: CRKrueger;858247The key signature aspect of a Mythos game is how it deals with Sanity. This game storywanks it.
Well to be fair,
Adaptation is a personality mechanic, but can simply be an in-setting effect. It's the
Projection and
Repressing Insanity mechanics that bring the storywank, and again, to be fair, they are completely optional.
There's a more detailed playtest doc (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OogZHpifybUFvdSi9lCpttF50hkiRPGw3J-Efiax-YQ/edit) than just the Cheat Sheets, if you want to get more perspective on the rules. (This is linked off their Kickstarter 'campaign' page, so it's not secret knowledge or anything).
Hm... perhaps instead of continuing in this thread, we should create a new thread on the new Delta Green? This is supposed to be about suggesting kickstarters, not dissecting them. :)
Quote from: CRKrueger;858364Well to be fair, Adaptation is a personality mechanic, but can simply be an in-setting effect. It's the Projection and Repressing Insanity mechanics that bring the storywank, and again, to be fair, they are completely optional.
I have just read the relevant headings in the full playtest doc linked by K Peterson, and I stand by my previous assessment. It's questionable psychology, but not storywank.
Quote from: The Butcher;858384I have just read the relevant headings in the full playtest doc linked by K Peterson, and I stand by my previous assessment. It's questionable psychology, but not storywank.
You have a different definition of "In-Character" than I do then. :D
But I'll stop threadjacking, we can debate how a character can possibly choose to defy going insane by offloading the damage onto a specific NPC relationship of their choice in a different thread. :D
While not an RPG. The 7th Continent a new Kickstarter game was pointed out to me today.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1926712971/the-7th-continent-explore-survive-you-are-the-hero?ref=card (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1926712971/the-7th-continent-explore-survive-you-are-the-hero?ref=card)
A bit pricy at 100$ though. But they have the rules up for examination before you back. Which is usually a good sign.
Interesting premise and system.
Thule 5e is still accepting late backers (http://www.sasquatchgamestudio.com/products/primeval-thule/thule-5e-crowdfunding/)for a limited time.
The $20 digital package gets the pdf campaign book (273 pages), which has become available for download in the past couple of days, as well as upcoming pdfs for three 24 page adventures, three 8 page adventures, a 32 page player's companion and a 24 page GM companion (mostly with additional monsters.)
Hard copies can also be ordered, but the pdf package is a great value at this point.
7 Sins (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/the-others-7-sins/description)is entering its final 24-hour phase (which is usually fun to watch), and has about $1.18m in funding.
Looks like a decent board game on its own, but with over 100 minis, that's less than $1 a piece and many of them are generic weird-azz monsters that could act as stand-ins in a variety of sci-fi, horror or urban fantasy rpgs. Verrrry tempting.
And the Norse god biker gang (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/the-others-7-sins/posts/1373342)add-on also looks wild.
another non-RPG. But the same people that did the Shadowrun PC games has a Kickstarter up now for a Battletech tactical PC game. Looks vaugly reminiscent of Crecent Hawks Inception.
If you're interested in Savage Worlds and Victorian horror, they just launched the Rippers Resurrected (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/545820095/savage-worlds-rippers-resurrected-rpg) kickstarter. Pinnacle's got a lot of experience in running Kickstarters and, IIRC, tends to deliver PDFs almost immediately after the Kickstarter closes, so you'll almost certainly get something out of it.
"Tome of Beasts (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/350683997/tome-of-beasts-300-new-monsters-for-5th-edition)" by Kobold Press: kickstarter for 5E bestiary (mostly converting Midgard) well-funded with 25 days to go.
Quote from: Saplatt;859379"Tome of Beasts (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/350683997/tome-of-beasts-300-new-monsters-for-5th-edition)" by Kobold Press: kickstarter for 5E bestiary (mostly converting Midgard) well-funded with 25 days to go.
Ah yes. 5th edition monster that are really 3rd edition OGL/SRD rules monsters. I'll pass after the last time they pulled that bait-n-switch.
Quote from: Omega;859487Ah yes. 5th edition monster that are really 3rd edition OGL/SRD rules monsters. I'll pass after the last time they pulled that bait-n-switch.
In what way is that a "bait and switch?" And when was the last time they did it?
Bigger issue for me is that even assuming it's a great monster manual, I don't yet see that much of a discount via the kickstarter. And it's not available until April.
Quote from: Saplatt;859492In what way is that a "bait and switch?" And when was the last time they did it?
It says its 5e. It isnt. And the last time they did that was Southlands Heroes which has the same phony 5E logo as this monster set does. And that one reads at the back.
QuoteOPEN GAME LICENSE Version 1.0a
The following text is the property of Wizards of the Coast, Inc. and is Copyright 2000 Wizards of the Coast, Inc ("Wizards"). All Rights Reserved.
and
System Reference Document Copyright 2000. Wizards of the Coast,
The whole 3e OGL/SRD boilerplate
Im pretty sure WOTC wasnt planning 5e THAT far in advance. (er. wait. Yeah they were... :mad:)
Quote from: Omega;859643It says its 5e. It isnt. And the last time they did that was Southlands Heroes which has the same phony 5E logo as this monster set does. And that one reads at the back.
The whole 3e OGL/SRD boilerplate
Not necessarily decisive, since the OGL requires a listing of every source. So if you're doing something for any form of D&D with the OGL, it's going to start with the SRD, no matter how much you fold, spindle and mutilate it to look like OD&D/1E/2E/5E.
^ Yeah, and the 3rd edition OGL, is far as I can tell, mainly a legal loophole allowing 3pp to produce 5E content without a 5E OGL.
The monster previews I've seen so far are clearly using 5E style stat blocks and a terminology that's close enough to 5E to make it translate pretty obviously. And the challenge ratings, which are a little borked in 5E anyway, also look like they're at least in the ballpark.
So for me, it's not really a bait & switch issue; it's more a matter of whether the book will contain inspirational and useful monsters and whether it's worth the cover price for what amounts to a pre-order at this point.
I passed on "Fifth Edition Foes" (from Necromancer Games) because it didn't really impress me on either of those grounds. I guess I'll wait to see some more previews before I make up my mind one way or another on this one.
Quote from: One Horse Town;856444What current KS should i pop my cherry on?
How about the Wheelchair Friendly RPG Trailer: http://gofundme.com/rpgtrailer (http://gofundme.com/rpgtrailer)
More details at http://rpgtrailer.com (http://rpgtrailer.com)
Wait. So is Tome of Monsters 5E or 3.5? I thought it was 5E.
Tome of Beasts (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/350683997/tome-of-beasts-300-new-monsters-for-5th-edition)is explicitly for 5E.
Aquelarre has a Kickstarter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1861515217/aquelarre-the-dark-and-mature-medieval-rpg-now-in) for its English translation.
Quote from: JongWK;861135Aquelarre has a Kickstarter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1861515217/aquelarre-the-dark-and-mature-medieval-rpg-now-in) for its English translation.
Yup, I was just about to suggest that one. It's easily the greatest Spanish RPG,and there are a lot of great spanish RPGs.
I'm backing Wild Skies: Europa Tempest by Wet Ink Games. Its funded with them now trying to reach some of their stretch goals in the next 4 days.
QuoteWild Skies is a story-driven, dieselpunk RPG of anthropomorphic animals, where sky pirates fight for survival over 1930's Europe.
It looks like it will be a lot of fun to play.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2103068465/wild-skies-europa-tempest
Well, there's a kickstarter for a new printing of the Dungeon Crawl Classics RPG: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1409961192/dcc-rpg-4th-printing
Interestingly enough there's a level meant for new players, at $40, giving you a copy of the game, a random module, and stretch goals - and the first four big stretch goals include reprints of out of print modules. I haven't got a copy, so I've backed at that level.
I jumped on the Folklore (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gbg/folklore-the-affliction-0/description) boardgame for the minis. But the game looks like it might be fun as well. Ends today, though...
Quote from: jcfiala;861992Well, there's a kickstarter for a new printing of the Dungeon Crawl Classics RPG: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1409961192/dcc-rpg-4th-printing
Interestingly enough there's a level meant for new players, at $40, giving you a copy of the game, a random module, and stretch goals - and the first four big stretch goals include reprints of out of print modules. I haven't got a copy, so I've backed at that level.
Aw. I JUST bought it from the store too. At least it's basically the same thing.
Mine needs backers:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613337354/fortunes-wheel (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613337354/fortunes-wheel)
Its been getting some great reviews but its struggling at the moment. Why not help out a small indie game that's a real labour love and not just another established company using Kickstarter to sell you something early that would probably get made regardless and you would normally buy anyway?
The Delta Green Kickstarter ended up doing amazingly well, with something like nine hardcover books getting funded, and another ten or so PDFs. Apparently things might be available after the backers get their copies, depending on whether or not Arc Dream has enough copies to send out to retailers (they didn't want to get burned on overstock this time around, so they're being very, very careful).
I ended up backing the project after they came up with the one-with-everything tier. Can't wait for the new and old material to be released!
Quote from: One Horse Town;856444What current KS should i pop my cherry on?
Whilst not strictly through Kickstarter, Alephtar Games has a crowdfunder using ulule for Revolution D100 (//www.ulule.com/revolution-d100/), which is worth backing if you like D100-style games, Alternate Earth or Merrie England.
I keep wondering if I'll ever end up doing one of these.
If I do, I will damn well fucking make sure I've actually written the thing before starting.
Quote from: RPGPundit;863502I keep wondering if I'll ever end up doing one of these.
If I do, I will damn well fucking make sure I've actually written the thing before starting.
That's what I did. Apart from any other reason, it puts way less pressure on you the writer.
Quote from: soltakss;862745Whilst not strictly through Kickstarter, Alephtar Games has a crowdfunder using ulule for Revolution D100 (//www.ulule.com/revolution-d100/), which is worth backing if you like D100-style games, Alternate Earth or Merrie England.
Seconding this to try and help push it over the top. For an example of how it's going to look, check out these stats for everyone's favorite two-fisted archaeologist:
Quote from: Revolution d100Professor Henry "Indiana" Jones Jr.
STR 15 CON 18 DEX 19 INT 18 WIL 15 CHA 14
Might +1, Toughness 9, Life Points 33, Strike Rank 19
Skills: Athletics (Climb, Dodge, Jump, Roll, Swim, Take Cover, Whip Stunts] 97%, Close Combat [Brawl, Knife, Whip, Whip Disarm] 84%, Communication [Hindi, Arabic, Greek, Teach] 62%, Drive [Car, Motorcycle] 67%, Knowledge [Ancient History, Archaeology, Written Sanskrit/Latin/Jewish/Greek/Arabic] 96%, Operate [Mechanisms] 67%, Perception [Search] 63%, Pilot [Airplane, Motorboat] 67%, Ranged Combat [Revolver, +2 DEX] 68%, Ride [Camel, Horse, Llama] 63%, Survival [Affluent Resources, Desert, Jungle, Streetwise, +1 CON] 63%.
Motivations: I'm as good as my father when it comes to knowledge and skill 90%; Don't hate me, baby, but duty calls me elsewhere 40%; Nazis, Commies, no matter the name, I hate all those bastards 54%; In real archaeology, X does not mark the spot 30%.
Weapon Cost Damage Notes
Fist 2 1d2+1d2
Whip 5 1d3+1d2 Entangle
M1917 .45 revolver 3 1d6+3d2 Impale (effect)
Feeling like a dumbass for missing out on the Delta Green KS.
Still going back and forth on DCC. I own it in PDF but a hard copy would be nice but GOD DAMN IT +30 dollars to ship to Brazil. And right now the real is worth shit.
Quote from: The Butcher;863555Feeling like a dumbass for missing out on the Delta Green KS.
Still going back and forth on DCC. I own it in PDF but a hard copy would be nice but GOD DAMN IT +30 dollars to ship to Brazil. And right now the real is worth shit.
It's a beautiful book, but I had one huge issue with it. The text went right into the gutter, and in a book that big, made it a chore for me to read. The pdf would probably be the way to stay.
Also drooling over the DCC Kickstarter. The a pledge nets you one fine book thanks to the stretch goals.
Which is something to look out for regarding a project. Stretch goals that are essentially baubles or swag are a little sketchy, IMO. Stretch goals that improve or add to the product, are less bad.
Quote from: The Butcher;863555Feeling like a dumbass for missing out on the Delta Green KS.
Still going back and forth on DCC. I own it in PDF but a hard copy would be nice but GOD DAMN IT +30 dollars to ship to Brazil. And right now the real is worth shit.
Does the US Postal Service have some kind of ongoing beef with Brazil?
I did some pricing on POD shipping a while back and found that it would be cheaper to have everything sent to my house in Hong Kong and then posted onward to Brazil. Slower, sure, but still. It's the principle of the thing.
(I am selfishly hoping the real doesn't recover until the end of November.)
Quote from: Caudex;863518That's what I did. Apart from any other reason, it puts way less pressure on you the writer.
God yes. I think some people really don't get what happens after you're done. I've consulted for a couple of kickstarters, and I think it's a common double-error to grossly underestimate how long it will take from the end of the KS to when you have a finished product ready to ship AND you haven't even finished writing the damn thing.
Quote from: The Butcher;863555Feeling like a dumbass for missing out on the Delta Green KS.
Still going back and forth on DCC. I own it in PDF but a hard copy would be nice but GOD DAMN IT +30 dollars to ship to Brazil. And right now the real is worth shit.
It's so nice that people send me all these books for free.
Quote from: RunningLaser;863556It's a beautiful book, but I had one huge issue with it. The text went right into the gutter, and in a book that big, made it a chore for me to read. The pdf would probably be the way to stay.
Odd, I have the book and out of all the review products I've been sent its one I've used the most (I mean, I'm running a DCC campaign for over two years now), and I can't say I've noticed that problem at all.
Quote from: RPGPundit;864130Odd, I have the book and out of all the review products I've been sent its one I've used the most (I mean, I'm running a DCC campaign for over two years now), and I can't say I've noticed that problem at all.
Maybe it was just an issue with my copy? The book was gorgeous, but I really had to press it down to read it.
Würm KS (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1464818793/wurm-a-prehistoric-rpg) - the english translation of an original French neolithic/ice age rpg could use a bit of help to reach it's initial goal. I'm a backer myself, and would very much like to see this project realized.
Quote from: RunningLaser;864133Maybe it was just an issue with my copy? The book was gorgeous, but I really had to press it down to read it.
Maybe it was a specific printing. Mine certainly didn't have that problem.
Quote from: Caudex;863615Does the US Postal Service have some kind of ongoing beef with Brazil?
I did some pricing on POD shipping a while back and found that it would be cheaper to have everything sent to my house in Hong Kong and then posted onward to Brazil. Slower, sure, but still. It's the principle of the thing.
(I am selfishly hoping the real doesn't recover until the end of November.)
Our postal services are the worst. A friend went to GenCon and asked around why shipping to Brazil was so expensive and found out we're known as "Black Hole Brazil" for our postal services' proclivity to destroy and/or disappear with parcels.
Rest at ease. I don't see the real climbing back to its former glory anytime soon. Ah, the halcyon days of R$1 = USD0.50...
Quote from: The Butcher;864870Our postal services are the worst. A friend went to GenCon and asked around why shipping to Brazil was so expensive and found out we're known as "Black Hole Brazil" for our postal services' proclivity to destroy and/or disappear with parcels.
Rest at ease. I don't see the real climbing back to its former glory anytime soon. Ah, the halcyon days of R$1 = USD0.50...
From what I saw at least a couple of years ago, the Uruguayan postal service is both more inefficient and more corrupt than Brazil's. In fact, it's second only to Haiti in all the Americas.
It's telling that one of the only large protest rally ever to have taken place in the last 30 years AGAINST a Union in Uruguay was a protest
against the Postal Union.
However, I've fortunately only ever not received a couple of books, out of what I think is now literally triple-digits. I'm pretty sure this is because:
a) Books in Uruguay are one of the only products not slapped with customs restrictions and tariffs, because they're 'culture'. Thus, with no legal way to clog them up, there's no point in trying to hold them to demand a bribe for their release.
b) Books are like Kryptonite to the postal workers, who will steal almost anything else but have no use for the printed word.
...and I just cancelled my pledge as a First Time Fan for DCC. The total shipping costs to Canada will be more than the product itself (because of all of the non-book stretch goal add-ons).
Makes me sad, but times are tough and I need new winter boots.
#1stWorldProblems
Ah, damn it all to hell, pulled the trigger on DCC. I've wanted a copy of that book for a while.
Well this one is nice:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/224590870/runequest-classic-edition
Quote from: Vile;866221Well this one is nice:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/224590870/runequest-classic-edition
I'm interested in it but offering the unpublished scenario books only for the $1000+ levels while also explicitly stating it won't ever be available as pdf is QUITE a turn off.
Being generous is all well and good but not many people can simply blow one grand off some RPG supplement.
Quote from: Vile;866221Well this one is nice:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/224590870/runequest-classic-edition
I'm intrigued with this one. I love RQ6. I've read RQ3 and it's a great game but I don't think I'd choose it over RQ6. What's great about RQ2? What does it do that RQ6 won't or can't?
Quote from: The Butcher;866226I'm intrigued with this one. I love RQ6. I've read RQ3 and it's a great game but I don't think I'd choose it over RQ6. What's great about RQ2? What does it do that RQ6 won't or can't?
I got an answer to that
here (http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=864224&postcount=38), but I'm not sure it really told me what I wanted to know.
As an aside, Autarch has also launched their next Kickstarter for Lairs & Encounters. See
here (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/autarch/lairs-and-encounters).
Quote from: The Butcher;865854Ah, damn it all to hell, pulled the trigger on DCC. I've wanted a copy of that book for a while.
And as soon as they had finished the kickstarter, I got pdfs of the various stretch goal adventures and of the 3rd edition of DCC immediately. Damn, that's well run right out of the gate.
And I'll get the 4th edtion pdf (and print) when it's done too! (And, I believe, print copies of the reprinted stretch goal modules.)
Yeah, I backed that one, too. Looking forward to going through the modules, as I've seen a lot of positive reviews of the DCC adventures...
Quote from: Bobloblah;866235I got an answer to that here (http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=864224&postcount=38), but I'm not sure it really told me what I wanted to know.
Yeah... love Glorantha but love all-purpose RQ6 more.
Quote from: Bobloblah;866235As an aside, Autarch has also launched their next Kickstarter for Lairs & Encounters. See here (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/autarch/lairs-and-encounters).
Backed, duh. ;)
Autarch's stuff isn't particularly "groundbreaking" — no Vornheims or Carcosas — but they appeal to me like they'd been focused laser-like on my own influences and tastes. I loved Sinister Stone of Sakkara's Hyborian-Age-meets-Keep-on-the-Borderlands vibe (plus a Chaos-corrupted fucking
dragon) and looks like Lairs & Encounters combines new sandbox generation tools with a Dyson's Delves-like repertoire of game-table-ready mini-dungeons. All of it ACKS endgame- and Auran Empire-compatible, so how could I possibly pass on it?
Quote from: The Butcher;866259Backed, duh. ;)
Autarch's stuff isn't particularly "groundbreaking" — no Vornheims or Carcosas — but they appeal to me like they'd been focused laser-like on my own influences and tastes. I loved Sinister Stone of Sakkara's Hyborian-Age-meets-Keep-on-the-Borderlands vibe (plus a Chaos-corrupted fucking dragon) and looks like Lairs & Encounters combines new sandbox generation tools with a Dyson's Delves-like repertoire of game-table-ready mini-dungeons. All of it ACKS endgame- and Auran Empire-compatible, so how could I possibly pass on it?
;)
My thoughts, exactly.
Quote from: Luca;866224I'm interested in it but offering the unpublished scenario books only for the $1000+ levels while also explicitly stating it won't ever be available as pdf is QUITE a turn off.
Being generous is all well and good but not many people can simply blow one grand off some RPG supplement.
Looks like about 3% of their fan base are willing to do it sight unseen. Runequest people have already spent decades chasing boxed sets at $80+ and more limited "work in progress" at an even higher price point. It's built into the culture there now.
Either way, 2E is iconic. The game itself doesn't do anything as well as 6E and the native Glorantha content is a little awkward but the presentation and information design are a chance to see the roots of the early Chaosium style.
That pre-publication playtest looks intriguingly "old school." Wonder what got cut back in 1977-8 and whether it ever came back in. Could be a great missing link between the Perrin Conventions and early d%.
Also excited for Wurm.