Quote from: Christopher Brady;832801Whether or not, the end product is good, if it's missed it's window (no pun intended, but laughter accepted) of opportunity, then most people will not even check, they'll roll their eyes and go back to the previous product they're used to using.

I'm not sure how concept this applies to people creating OSR products, though.  In fact, some of the better products have come from people new to the movement, not necessarily the people who've "never forgotten (A)D&D".

In this case, the popularity will probably depend on the work--and also the perception of people in the market--but the market is fickle and other factors may be involved, so I think trying to predict it based on "who came first" or "loyalty" might not be a good way of gauging that market.

It may be more a matter of riding on Hagen's name and the legacy of Blackmoor.

If it is another Gamma World (IE: In name only) then likely people will shrug and pass if they did not just auto-buy because it has Hagen or Blackmoor on the cover.

If it is good then it will stand on its own merits.

Quote from: Omega;832807It may be more a matter of riding on Hagen's name and the legacy of Blackmoor.

I think its the other way around. Not to diminish his accomplishments with WoD. But his past kickstarter performances have sullied (at least I think) his name. I think it is more hey Blackmoor! and we got a guy that used to put out good stuff ten years ago to write for it. YMMV

Quote from: Ronin;832884ten years ago

Try "more than twenty years ago."

Quote from: The Butcher;832904Try "more than twenty years ago."

Quit making me feel old!:p:)

The danger is if it cheapens the brand, or waters-down the definition of just what is going on.  That's how trends end up floundering, when everyone claims to be a part of it, and you get a flood of sub-par or even irrelevant work by people desperate to cash-in on the bandwagon.

Perhaps Hagen can partner with Paul Lidberg. :banghead:

Yep, the Renegade Legion creator went even further.

QuoteHe's standing behind the claim that according to Kickstarter's rules, an incomplete copy of the rules in pdf and some maps is enough for him to not have to refund people. He also feels that he doesn't ever have to make progress on the game without calling it a failure and refunding everyone as long as he tells us that he plans to finish it at some undisclosed time in the future. It is now 27 months overdue.

Reaper had to bail out the minis sculptor whome Ludberg didnt finish paying.

What is there? A disease spreading amongst designers?

Hey, guys!

Rafe here, one of the original creators of the Comeback Inn (the forum ), now mostly retired from the scene.

Thanks for providing the info about the recent Kickstarters; not gonna lie, this looks pretty terrible, and MRH comes off looking like a total idiot. If he really wants to run a third Kickstarter, now for Blackmoor, I can't imagine where he expects his backers to come from, with this kind of backstory. I for my part can't see myself backing or promoting his operations if this info is indeed a valid summary of his recent business endeavors.

Now, the real deal here is something else, though: If MRH has really found a way to rescue the BM license from copyright hell, then maybe so can others. And that's where things could get really interesting. Like, I probably wouldn't care much for MRH's particular take on Blackmoor, even if it got published without any drama. But I would very much care for Scott Moore's, or my friend Havard's take on Blackmoor, if you know what I mean.

So, I keep my fingers crossed that this is more than MRH testing the waters. If the license is really up on the market again, some really cool things can happen.

Quote from: RPGPundit;833292The danger is if it cheapens the brand, or waters-down the definition of just what is going on.  That's how trends end up floundering, when everyone claims to be a part of it, and you get a flood of sub-par or even irrelevant work by people desperate to cash-in on the bandwagon.

à la the great 3/3.5 glut.

I'm remembering more than 25 years ago when MRH and the Wieck siblings where the co-owners (and also founders, if I remember correctly) of White Wolf, which also published Inphobia. They were pretty dismissive of AD&D (which was in its 2nd iteration). I have read an interview where one of the Wieck siblings said AD&D was not a good game to tell stories.

Then in 1995 (or 1996), MRH sold his shares in WW, got off the radar and settle in the East of Europe.

WWP had its own version of cultural revolution and started to published materials for D&D 3 at the acme of OGL.

And now MRH comes with his version Blackmore in a KS, after having badly managed the 2 others KS he has done so far.

I do not want to sound prejudiced but I will pass this one without a shred of regret.

I must add that I have very little knowledge of Blackmore except the things you can get by googling it.

More or less the only thing I know about the setting is that Castle Blackmoor itself and the surrounding town got overrun by orcs in an early game because the players found the dungeon crawling so addictive they didn't put any effort into engaging with the defence of the realm.

If you want to know a bit more about Blackmoor, come check out our board (link in my sig).

It's a thing of beauty - not so much the setting itself, perhaps, because if you take out the 60s references that most modern players don't understand any more, you basically get Privateer Press' Iron Kingdoms. But the community is great, very creative, and very productive for its small size. Plus there are none of the usual OSR vultures there. You don't need to buy our shit to be part of the club. And most of the important BM stuff is free, anyway.

Also, whut, a board where I can curse?! Guess that means I will stay around a bit.

The time travel Blackmoor modules were some of my favorites. I backwards adapted them to BX.

Quote from: Ronin;833452à la the great 3/3.5 glut.

Yup.