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Mark Rein•Hagen to write new, OFFICIAL material for Dave Arneson's Blackmoor

Started by The Butcher, May 14, 2015, 06:19:33 PM

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Spinachcat

#15
May 16, 2015, 08:27:33 PM
I only got to play with Dave Arneson once at a convention and it was awesome fun. Blackmoor was strange, definitely a weird take on the basics of the fantasy genre. I had a great time, but Blackmoor itself did not seem to have a distinctive voice like Dark Sun or Ravenloft.

However, I personally found Blackmoor far more interesting than Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms, but that's because I love blending D&D with Gamma World.

As for Haagen Dazs, who knows? His cultural influence on RPGs and modern Vampire IPs is extremely strong. Maybe he can roll the dice again and create something memorable.

Or not.

thedungeondelver

#16
May 17, 2015, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;831936As for Haagen Dazs, who knows? His cultural influence on RPGs and modern Vampire IPs is extremely strong. Maybe he can roll the dice again and create something memorable.


Maybe he can roll the dice and rob people again.
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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Votan

#17
May 17, 2015, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: Omega;831920Or appeals to no market at all.

All this assumes Rein doesnt end up in jail for fraud at some point. Hes got at least two KS games that are years of lies and stalling.

Doesn't he live in Eastern Europe now (Georgia?).  I have to think cross-border lawsuits are going to be fascinatingly hard, as would extradition for fraud (mostly due to the expense and the fairly small amount at stake).

TheShadow

#18
May 17, 2015, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;831936I only got to play with Dave Arneson once at a convention and it was awesome fun. Blackmoor was strange, definitely a weird take on the basics of the fantasy genre. I had a great time, but Blackmoor itself did not seem to have a distinctive voice like Dark Sun or Ravenloft.


I'm sure you know it, but to state the obvious - DA was running Blackmoor in 1972 and it was the very first fantasy campaign. So everything else since is a "take" on it, in a sense. Comparing it to Dark Sun or Ravenloft is like comparing the OSX GUI to Xerox PARC's.

At this point there may be little more to say or publish about Blackmoor, but give some dues here.
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TristramEvans

#19
May 17, 2015, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;831936As for Haagen Dazs, who knows? His cultural influence on RPGs and modern Vampire IPs is extremely strong. Maybe he can roll the dice again and create something memorable.

Or not.

He caught the zeirgeist in the 90s, with the rise of angst and goth cultures. I see no indication he has his fingers anywhere the pulse of modern youth culture though. And that was before the advent of internet culture, so its very unlikely any pen and paper rpg will ever be able to recreate that effect. Its a different world.

TristramEvans

#20
May 17, 2015, 06:51:20 PM
In regards to kickstarter, I realy dont understand the irresponsibility of some people.

I'd very much like to do a kickstarter for big deluxe hardback version of Phaserip, but I'd make sure I had the game completely written first. You don't need money for that step of the process.

Ronin

#21
May 17, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Random dumb question. Does Kickstarter look at your previous projects and say. OK you failed to deliver on one, and were two years late on another. We're not going to let you start another one. Till you, at least finish the last?
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Omega

#22
May 18, 2015, 01:47:17 AM Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 01:58:48 AM by Omega
Quote from: Votan;832071Doesn't he live in Eastern Europe now (Georgia?).  I have to think cross-border lawsuits are going to be fascinatingly hard, as would extradition for fraud (mostly due to the expense and the fairly small amount at stake).

Seems oft the case unfortunately. Interestingly its the EU backers on the Democracy game that still havent gotten their stuff either at all or fully even now. So lawsuits could come from just about his own back yard if someone got irked enough.

Doubt it will happen though.

Kickstarter is a scammers dream because KS places ALL the onus of getting a refund or legalities on the backer. Want a refund and the designer wont? Too bad. It is in their TOU.

On the wryly ironic note. Hagen's company for the games was called Make•Believe Games...

Omega

#23
May 18, 2015, 01:57:17 AM
Quote from: Ronin;832097Random dumb question. Does Kickstarter look at your previous projects and say. OK you failed to deliver on one, and were two years late on another. We're not going to let you start another one. Till you, at least finish the last?

If they did then Game Salute would never ever get another window.

Take a look at this BGG thread for GS's record so far.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/171113/game-salute-cautionary-tale

This thread is up to 4 pages on KS project issues. Some are though just quirky or oddball. But others are far more serious like the Up Front or Doom that Came to Atlantic City ones.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/160421/controversial-or-fraudulent-kickstarters

RPGPundit

#24
May 20, 2015, 06:45:19 AM
Ridiculous.  But then, Blackmoor was badly mismanaged even in the 3e days.  Is it the same people who own the rights now, who have brought Rein-asshole on board?
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#25
May 20, 2015, 08:27:49 PM
A random thought. Is it just me or is it that their are WoD, and forgey people starting to glomp onto the the perceived OSR/D&D gravy train?
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#26
May 21, 2015, 01:35:56 AM
Quote from: Ronin;832573A random thought. Is it just me or is it that their are WoD, and forgey people starting to glomp onto the the perceived OSR/D&D gravy train?

Tourists.  It's been going on for a few years.  And, yeah, that's just what it is: perception.  Nobody was doing OD&D/AD&D support in the early 2000s outside of a few fans at Dragonsfoot, myself, and the guys at KNKA, then OSRIC hit big and put a finger in WotC's eye and became pretty big (despite dire warnings of impending legal doom, any day now(TM) from butthurt publishers who hadn't had the testicular fortitude to try what OSRIC did), and suddenly these people I'd never heard of gathered around like Graham Chapman's followers in Life of Brian holding up bits and pieces of old games like they were holy relics newly discovered.  This is just a continuation of that tourism.
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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TristramEvans

#27
May 21, 2015, 03:40:43 AM
Quote from: Ronin;832573A random thought. Is it just me or is it that their are WoD, and forgey people starting to glomp onto the the perceived OSR/D&D gravy train?

Ron Edwards was on G+ a while back telling everyone they were welcome, since he started the OSR...

A good laugh was shared by all on my Facebook over that one.

JRT

#28
May 21, 2015, 07:21:42 AM Last Edit: May 21, 2015, 07:27:22 AM by JRT
Quote from: Ronin;832573A random thought. Is it just me or is it that their are WoD, and forgey people starting to glomp onto the the perceived OSR/D&D gravy train?

Why does that matter?  Who care's if the person is a "johnny come lately" or whatever.  The key thing will be the end result and the quality of the final work.
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May 22, 2015, 05:58:11 AM
Quote from: JRT;832620Why does that matter?  Who care's if the person is a "johnny come lately" or whatever.  The key thing will be the end result and the quality of the final work.

No, actually, it won't.  Because if quality actually mattered then (for example) the Windows phone software would have taken off.  On the simple grounds that Windows is everywhere.

Whether or not, the end product is good, if it's missed it's window (no pun intended, but laughter accepted) of opportunity, then most people will not even check, they'll roll their eyes and go back to the previous product they're used to using.
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