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They've just started their sales ranking coverage, so there is only the one article. But hey, its better than nothing.

I didn't know Shadowrun was doing so well.  

In minis, heroclix was still on top - I thought it had pretty much wound down.  D&D minis were number but still got canned - maybe all collectible minis are down.

Good on Pathfinder--#5 with a Beta.

I had no idea Dark Heresy was so high!

Explains why SJ Games is so focused on Munchkin.

Assuming that that chart is accurate, in terms of absolute market share I'm sure it breaks down something like this:

1) D&D 90%
2) Dark Heresy 3.5%
3) White Wolf  3%
4) Shadowrun  2%
5) Pathfinder  1%
6) Other  0.5%

Quote from: Enlightened;271731Assuming that that chart is accurate, in terms of absolute market share I'm sure it breaks down something like this:

1) D&D 90%
2) Dark Heresy 3.5%
3) White Wolf  3%
4) Shadowrun  2%
5) Pathfinder  1%
6) Other  0.5%

Its usually not quite that pronounced.  There's usually 1, maybe 2 other companies at least in double figures, but yeah, I would imagine D&D is head and shoulders above.

I miss the rankings that went to 20 places.

Just 5 doesn't trally show you a lot.

 For example - locally, I swear WOrld Of Darkness has nosedived in popularity. The DARK HERESY numbers I find believable - thats always sought after and pretty popular localy.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;271747I miss the rankings that went to 20 places.

Just 5 doesn't trally show you a lot.

 For example - locally, I swear WOrld Of Darkness has nosedived in popularity. The DARK HERESY numbers I find believable - thats always sought after and pretty popular localy.


- Ed C.

I know a lot of people with the Dark Heresy book. Everyone loved it.

Quote from: Enlightened;271731Assuming that that chart is accurate, in terms of absolute market share I'm sure it breaks down something like this:

1) D&D 90%
2) Dark Heresy 3.5%
3) White Wolf  3%
4) Shadowrun  2%
5) Pathfinder  1%
6) Other  0.5%

Assuming a healthy market distibution, the figures ought to be more along the lines of...

1) D&D 60%
2) Dark Heresy 20%
3) White Wolf  10%
4) Shadowrun  5%
5) Pathfinder  2.5%
6) Other  2.5%[/B

Which is a steep powerlaw distribution, but still a healthy one.

If you believe that "the end of D&D would collapse the industry", then you almost certainly believe that we do not have a healthy distribution of brands.

Note: I don't know if we have a healthy market distribution.  I believe that it is healthier than you're suggesting.

WW's been dropping a lot, but I don't think it's down quite as low as most people on this thread are thinking...

Also the "long tail" is probably a touch bigger, since a lot of the really small stuff wouldn't be picked up by the sorts of methods used to compile that list, I'm sure the "other" amounts of at least 5% or so, especially with publishers like Green Ronin and Mongoose...

Quote from: estar;271730Explains why SJ Games is so focused on Munchkin.

It sells insanely well for them to the point everything else they make is considered less important.  Hell, I know plenty of stores that carry Munchkin but no other SJGames product.

Being a huge fan of Ogre and Car Wars this upsets me for obvious reasons.  Every explanation of SJGames making some game on the net is always answered with "We need resources for Munchkin its more important!".

Considering its the exact same game with different artwork I am not quite sure what resources they would have to take away, but there ya go...

Quote from: Captain Rufus;271816It sells insanely well for them to the point everything else they make is considered less important.... SJGames making some game on the net is always answered with "We need resources for Munchkin its more important!"

From browsing Jackson's yearly report months ago, I recall Munchkin accounting for slightly over half of total sales.  They're riding the wave while it's hot.  Once it drops down to just another line and they've done all they can with it, I bet they'll give their other lines more attention.

Quote from: Nicephorus;271717I didn't know Shadowrun was doing so well.

It's doing well enough that Catalyst (the current publisher) is trying to buy the whole IP from Topps.

If you can, take a look at Ghost Cartels to see just how good the game is at the moment.

Quote from: Nicephorus;271831From browsing Jackson's yearly report months ago, I recall Munchkin accounting for slightly over half of total sales.  They're riding the wave while it's hot.  Once it drops down to just another line and they've done all they can with it, I bet they'll give their other lines more attention.

Is it wrong I want it to go away now though?  Car Wars needs a decent revamp that was actually well thought out, reasoned, and capable of fans supporting it even if SJG decides to drop it.

They never actually made the 5th edition cars with an actual construction system, and never released a construction system or rules for anything other than automobiles in the low-mid range.

I lucked out on Ebay and got pretty much every edition of the game and roughly in order dirt cheap so I can play the old game, but it would be nice to have it actively supported in some manner.  The revamp had some great ideas and stopped the rules bloat, making the game digestable, something Compendium wasn't.  

Battletech has been smart enough to always have a starter set on hand and usually some upgrade paths before inflicting a giant rulebook of confusion, megadetail, and pain on people.  Been playing that game since 88 (my first wargame, hobby, and minis game) and I still have never played a full on game of it with all the trimmings in one game.

I look at Federation Commander, which is Starfleet Battles only streamlined, understanable, and FUN and wish Car Wars could have something like that.

And Ogre is just one of the best hobby boardgames ever made and its damned near criminal that it isn't in print.  I covet my mid 90s box and my Deluxe Ogre rulesbook.  Imagine it done up FFG boardgame style.  That would be sex in a box.

I don't have any love for Gurps but I do feel for fans used to getting buttloads of books and now they are lucky to get a book or two a year, plus some PDFs.  Some of their books were like Palladium's stuff in sheer fluffy goodness only they looked nicer and were easier to take ideas from.

I'm mostly just amazed that Munchkin actually still sells that much.  I can see people buying one RPG parody card game, but there are how many variants and supplements out there now?