Stacy's Twitter disappeared sometime early in 2020. When I checked on the Contessa.Rocks website I get a message that the website has expired. It's ironic that during a time when online gaming is in more demand than ever due to a pandemic an organization that started as an online convention has gone defunct.
The best case scenario I can think of is that Stacy realized that her interaction with social media and the sjw crusade was becoming damaging to her mental health, so she voluntarily withdrew for her own sake. If that's the case I do wish her the best of luck in getting better.
At a glance, it looks like the contessa page was still up in December; the organizers might have been on a yearly renewal program with their hosting provider and just forgot to pay or couldn't pay.
As to Ms. Dellorfano, I couldn't speculate.
What was it, when it existed?
Contessa is women GMs running games at online events with a few other side projects. It generally worked out relatively well and was not a rabid feminist thing (guys were quite welcome to sign up and play.) Over all, I liked the crew and thought that they were pretty level headed about it. Think of it as a spotlight and not a firebrand.
Hmm, I wonder if they were not woke enough and were getting backlash due to that?
The problem wasn't that Contessa wasn't woke enough, aside from a period of time that Stacy was allied with Zak Smith, and that was several years ago with Stacy since burning her relationship with Zak. There were a couple of problems:
1. It seemed that anyone Stacy associated with she'd eventually turn on in quite public and aggressive ways. Sometimes this may have been warranted, but I can't recall any associations that survived Stacy's standard of wokeness. Eventually even GenCon went from being a partner into being a horrible and monstrous place that should be avoided, and also GenCon needs to pay Contessa money for showing up. Any con of significant size is going to have issues. Doesn't mean those issues can't be improved upon, but it seemed Stacy's default mode was set the flamethrower to 10 each time. So going back to the idea that Contessa (and Stacy was the driving force behind Contessa) wasn't woke enough seems implausible. If anything Stacy's drive for instant woke utopia now, led her to publicly burning bridges faster than they could be built.
2. Stacy had a vision for how to include women more in gaming that didn't seem to allow for alternate paths. It seemed like she wanted to set herself up as the 'Pope-ette' of women in gaming. She'd criticize in particular efforts by members of the OSR who were taking steps to encourage women in gaming essentially because they weren't doing it her way. A more productive route may have been for her to say "It's great that you're making an effort, even though it's not how I'd do it. The more trying the better overall." Instead of viewing games be run for women by male members of the OSR old guard as additional (if different from her approach) avenues to encourage women in gaming she'd trash the efforts. We're not talking about constructive criticism, which is hard to do anyways on the internet, but essentially demands that these men stop trying to make the effort. It came across to me that she saw these other efforts more as competition than anything else.
Interesting, I didn't get that. But, I'll bow to your expertise and assume that I was lucky and missed the flamethrower parts of her personality. :-)
Quote from: wmarshal on January 01, 2021, 08:38:14 AM
The best case scenario I can think of is that Stacy realized that her interaction with social media and the sjw crusade was becoming damaging to her mental health, so she voluntarily withdrew for her own sake. If that's the case I do wish her the best of luck in getting better.
Hard to say. SJWs think they are immune to mental illness. She will re-brand at some point.
Is that defamation (or whatever suit) still going forward against her? If so, she's probably be advised to stay of social media...
I don't know. I think there were at least 2, maybe 3 lawsuits against her. I believe there was 1 regarding tortious interference by Frog God Games in addition to the defamation 1 by Zak. I haven't heard of any resolution, but COVID-19 likely slowed the progress of much civil litigation. Still, this feels different than a defensive tactic in response to getting sued. As far as I know Contessa itself wasn't a target.
Stacy seemed okay for a few years (from a distance, anyway; IDK if there were warning signs), then went cuckoo crazy all of a sudden, and went all the way up to 11. She burned all her bridges, and burned the flaming wreckage that was left in their place. The Contessa website started to be inundated with bizarre racist and man-hating screeds. This was two or three years ago, when I last heard of her.
Now then...
Sometimes people run into bad assholes, or have the bad luck to have it happen twice. Maybe three times. But like Jessica Price, that other walking flamethrower, Stacy seems to have encountered assholes on a permanent basis anywhere she went, and it became kind of a pattern. Really makes the noggin joggin'.
That pretty much matches my perception. She did run into some I'd agree with her were terrible people, but it became that practically everyone she ran into outside of her Contessa circle was a terrible person. This is a list of people/organizations she had dust ups with. Many were partners with her at some point. A few were actual jerks that she had direct interaction with. Some were jerks, but the controversy was one that she injected herself into and tried to organize boycotts/cancel. Some just leave you scratching your head in wonder as to why she'd do the quick draw on the flamethrower. I don't recall there being much difference in treatment based on the level/degree of offense. All had to burn.
Evil Hat Games
Frog God Games
Tenkar's Tavern
Lamentations of the Flame Princess
The Diana Jones Award
Gary Con
Bundle of Holding
Steve Jackson Games
Total Con
Zak Smith
Quote from: wmarshal on January 05, 2021, 02:35:10 PM
That pretty much matches my perception. She did run into some I'd agree with her were terrible people, but it became that practically everyone she ran into outside of her Contessa circle was a terrible person. ...
You won't get along with everyone you meet. And every now and then you run into an asshole. Maybe a few.
But when
Everyone you meet is an asshole, It might be time to look in the mirror.
Because maybe it's not them...
Quote from: Jaeger on January 05, 2021, 02:57:18 PM
But when Everyone you meet is an asshole, It might be time to look in the mirror.
Or take a break from the internet.
Quote from: Jaeger on January 05, 2021, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: wmarshal on January 05, 2021, 02:35:10 PM
That pretty much matches my perception. She did run into some I'd agree with her were terrible people, but it became that practically everyone she ran into outside of her Contessa circle was a terrible person. ...
You won't get along with everyone you meet. And every now and then you run into an asshole. Maybe a few.
But when Everyone you meet is an asshole, It might be time to look in the mirror.
Because maybe it's not them...
There is no 'maybe' about it.
Quote from: Pat on January 05, 2021, 04:31:24 PM
Or take a break from the internet.
On second thoughts, they are not as bad as I originally thought.
Quote from: wmarshal on January 01, 2021, 08:38:14 AM
Stacy's Twitter disappeared sometime early in 2020. When I checked on the Contessa.Rocks website I get a message that the website has expired. It's ironic that during a time when online gaming is in more demand than ever due to a pandemic an organization that started as an online convention has gone defunct.
The best case scenario I can think of is that Stacy realized that her interaction with social media and the sjw crusade was becoming damaging to her mental health, so she voluntarily withdrew for her own sake. If that's the case I do wish her the best of luck in getting better.
And nothing of value was lost o that day.
Quote from: zircher on January 03, 2021, 12:05:31 PM
Contessa is women GMs running games at online events with a few other side projects. It generally worked out relatively well and was not a rabid feminist thing (guys were quite welcome to sign up and play.) Over all, I liked the crew and thought that they were pretty level headed about it. Think of it as a spotlight and not a firebrand.
Except for the part of men are only allowed as players never DM/GM... Something you never see reversed anywhere.
I sincerely hope that they (because it is the pronom that they want to use and even if I do not understand why or even care since I am French and American gender politics mean little to me, but it is their wish and it does not bother so) took some time off the internet to resolve the many issues that plague them, especially surviving breast cancer (my father died from cancer so I am a big softy on the subject).
Honestly, women are women's worst enemies and the petty feud between SWJ churches is both entertaining and pitiful.
I wish that women who have a sincere belief in improving their lot in our hobby will rise from the ashes of Countessa but I will not hold my breath to watch happens ...
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Quote from: yabaziou on January 06, 2021, 09:17:46 PM
Honestly, women are women's worst enemies and the petty feud between SWJ churches is both entertaining and pitiful.
Women are utterly vicious to women. Crazy levels of hate and undermining of even their so-called friends! When I was teaching, I even saw the nastiness in their pre-teen interactions (and their willingness to really emotionally harm the weakest links), and as they get older, let's just say high school never ends.
Quote from: yabaziou on January 06, 2021, 09:17:46 PM
I wish that women who have a sincere belief in improving their lot in our hobby will rise from the ashes of Countessa but I will not hold my breath to watch happens ...
There's always room for new grifters!
As long as a diligent SJW smells a buck to be made and weaklings to bow to them, we'll keep getting a steady stream of Stacys into the hobby.
A man can dream, Spinachcat ! ;D
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 06, 2021, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: zircher on January 03, 2021, 12:05:31 PM
Contessa is women GMs running games at online events with a few other side projects. It generally worked out relatively well and was not a rabid feminist thing (guys were quite welcome to sign up and play.) Over all, I liked the crew and thought that they were pretty level headed about it. Think of it as a spotlight and not a firebrand.
Except for the part of men are only allowed as players never DM/GM... Something you never see reversed anywhere.
The only reason why people were surprised that she went nuts, is because it happened before a lot of people realized what was really going down on the far left. If it happened today, and some feminist would say that they are launching a project that is open only to women, I'd put money on that she will reveal herself to be a raving bitch soon enough. It's sort of in the cards from the start.
Quote from: yabaziou on January 06, 2021, 09:17:46 PM
Honestly, women are women's worst enemies and the petty feud between SWJ churches is both entertaining and pitiful
"A mysogynist is a man who hates women as much as women hate one another." -- H. L. Mencken
Quote from: Trond on January 06, 2021, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 06, 2021, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: zircher on January 03, 2021, 12:05:31 PM
Contessa is women GMs running games at online events with a few other side projects. It generally worked out relatively well and was not a rabid feminist thing (guys were quite welcome to sign up and play.) Over all, I liked the crew and thought that they were pretty level headed about it. Think of it as a spotlight and not a firebrand.
Except for the part of men are only allowed as players never DM/GM... Something you never see reversed anywhere.
Exactly, back then those of us who were able to smell the shit were happily labeled as Istophobes and even people that today wouldn't believed it.
And I've been speaking against them since before the whole Atheism+ debacle.
Do you think they can cast charm and Friends spells? I can't honestly see how else people couldn't see thru their BS.
The only reason why people were surprised that she went nuts, is because it happened before a lot of people realized what was really going down on the far left. If it happened today, and some feminist would say that they are launching a project that is open only to women, I'd put money on that she will reveal herself to be a raving bitch soon enough. It's sort of in the cards from the start.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on January 07, 2021, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: yabaziou on January 06, 2021, 09:17:46 PM
Honestly, women are women's worst enemies and the petty feud between SWJ churches is both entertaining and pitiful
"A mysogynist is a man who hates women as much as women hate one another." -- H. L. Mencken
"Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other." -- Al Bundy
Shame how this all went down.
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on January 05, 2021, 01:24:56 AM
SJWs think they are immune to mental illness.
On the contrary, they wear it as a badge of honor and demand others account for it.
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 05, 2021, 07:26:55 AM
Is that defamation (or whatever suit) still going forward against her? If so, she's probably be advised to stay of social media...
Quite possibly.
Quote from: wmarshal on January 05, 2021, 07:46:38 AM
I think there were at least 2, maybe 3 lawsuits against her. I believe there was 1 regarding tortious interference by Frog God Games in addition to the defamation 1 by Zak.
Really did a number on those bridges, didn't they.
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On the contrary, they wear it as a badge of honor and demand others account
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This is very true and worrisome since they seem to no action to cure theirs mental ailments and use them as a shield to flee any discussion or repercussion for theirs nefarious actions ... 😱
Seeing both of these sociopaths vanish is a good thing. Unfortunately parasites will tend to return to feed on the host sooner or later.
I once dated them years ago and met their roommate at the time (pre-marriage). Regrettably I gave a pass to to many red flags to count. Regrettably I can confirm their confrontational nature and quickness to blow up well outside of the norm and just how nasty they can be at those times and how quick they are to go from zero to a billion in seconds for little to no reason and can say first hand that it doesn't just extend to the gaming world. While I wish them the best and am glad that they managed to overcome their physical health issues and hope that one day they come to terms with their mental and personality battles I am not the least bit surprised that they essentially pulled the pin on the grenade that is their life and personality and then held tightly to it while it exploded in the face of those around them. Sucks for anyone in the blast radius. Maybe one day they will see their errors but somehow I doubt it, most people like that never do.
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 07:46:07 PM
I once dated them years ago and met their roommate at the time (pre-marriage). Regrettably I gave a pass to to many red flags to count. Regrettably I can confirm their confrontational nature and quickness to blow up well outside of the norm and just how nasty they can be at those times and how quick they are to go from zero to a billion in seconds for little to no reason and can say first hand that it doesn't just extend to the gaming world. While I wish them the best and am glad that they managed to overcome their physical health issues and hope that one day they come to terms with their mental and personality battles I am not the least bit surprised that they essentially pulled the pin on the grenade that is their life and personality and then held tightly to it while it exploded in the face of those around them. Sucks for anyone in the blast radius. Maybe one day they will see their errors but somehow I doubt it, most people like that never do.
Is this one person or multiple people? I see "them" everywhere, and I sincerely can't figure out if you're referring to several people or one person who insists on using grammatically incorrect pronouns that create confusion in their misuse.
It is one person. Their preferred pronouns are they/them. While I may take issue with them as a person I still choose to be respectful of their choice.
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:04:37 PM
It is one person. Their preferred pronouns are they/them. While I may take issue with them as a person I still choose to be respectful of their choice.
Thee choices are meant to impose on others and only confuse people who speak normally. I'd prefer you avoid using incorrect pronouns out of respect of 99.99% of regular people who have to read things and make sense of it.
You do you boo, I'm happy for you...... Beyond that I honestly don't care what your opinion on the matter is.
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:18:19 PM
You do you boo, I'm happy for you...... Beyond that I honestly don't care what your opinion on the matter is.
Okay, so your toxic, thread-disruptive political games are not worth reading. Noted. So I guess out of respect for poor anorexic girls, you feed into their mental illness, too, and tell them they ARE too fat.
Sorry sweetie but I'm not buying into your little troll game. I know being a tiny nameless and faceless troll who can't manage anything more than ad hominem attacks which show just how mature you are means you need the attention and all that but I'm not going to be playing your little small minded game. Go fishing somewhere else little one. Bye bye.
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:04:37 PM
It is one person. Their preferred pronouns are they/them. While I may take issue with them as a person I still choose to be respectful of their choice.
Never mind the woke grammar, are you really googling your ex and grave-digging this thread to tell us about it? If so, I'm sorry man. That's gotta be rough.
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 30, 2024, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:04:37 PM
It is one person. Their preferred pronouns are they/them. While I may take issue with them as a person I still choose to be respectful of their choice.
Never mind the woke grammar, are you really googling your ex and grave-digging this thread to tell us about it? If so, I'm sorry man. That's gotta be rough.
Actually it happened to pop up on my radar while engaged in a different discussion about gaming. Crazy wow that whole internet thing works huh?
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:31:10 PM
Sorry sweetie but I'm not buying into your little troll game. I know being a tiny nameless and faceless troll who can't manage anything more than ad hominem attacks which show just how mature you are means you need the attention and all that but I'm not going to be playing your little small minded game. Go fishing somewhere else little one. Bye bye.
Good riddance! Now I can return to having a mature discussion with the adults.
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on January 30, 2024, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:04:37 PM
It is one person. Their preferred pronouns are they/them. While I may take issue with them as a person I still choose to be respectful of their choice.
Never mind the woke grammar, are you really googling your ex and grave-digging this thread to tell us about it? If so, I'm sorry man. That's gotta be rough.
Actually it happened to pop up on my radar while engaged in a different discussion about gaming. Crazy wow that whole internet thing works huh?
Crazy wow, indeed.
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:18:19 PM
You do you boo, I'm happy for you...... Beyond that I honestly don't care what your opinion on the matter is.
It's amazing how you broken people hook up.
QuoteWomen are utterly vicious to women
Cancel culture, cultural marxism and woke virtue signaling is not uniquely female, but it is quintessentially feminine. It's just high school mean girls writ large. Everything about it makes perfect sense once you realize you're just looking at a bunch of teenaged girls knife-fighting to be the queen bee through social cutting.
Greetings!
Anyone that insists on being referred ro as "They/Them" is a fucking delusional, insane moron. These freaks need to be locked up in a "Happy Farms" insane asylum, pumped full of animal drugs, and constantly controlled and supervised. In such institutions, these insane nutjob people can be restricted and properly controlled, while the rest of normal, functional society is kept safe from these degenerates.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 30, 2024, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: Fandrel64 on January 30, 2024, 10:04:37 PM
It is one person. Their preferred pronouns are they/them. While I may take issue with them as a person I still choose to be respectful of their choice.
Thee choices are meant to impose on others and only confuse people who speak normally. I'd prefer you avoid using incorrect pronouns out of respect of 99.99% of regular people who have to read things and make sense of it.
You don't have to use those pronouns here, but you also don't get to tell Fandrel not to. Especially when it derails the thread.
This is not a thread about pronouns. Anyone continuing on this track will be banned. You can refer to Dellorfano by whatever pronoun you want here.
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