Quote from: Willie the Duck;958608Or perhaps he's just getting annoyed.

That was the intended suggestion. But I guess my tone failed to register. Maybe the emotes will help.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;958608The density of let's-talk-about-gender-issues threads around here is, if nothing else, noticeable as of late. As someone with a rather moderated, I-didn't-come-here-to-talk-about-politics stance on these things, I'm finding it is getting in the way of the thoughtful, gaming-related discussions I come here for. Obviously it's not all about me, I don't get to make these decisions, and of course I don't want to silence anyone, but it is making me wonder what exactly is up.

For all the talk we usually put down here about how politically partisan a certain other site is, this is beginning to feel like the exact same thing, except mirror imaged enantiomers on the other side of the political spectrum (obviously there isn't mod-enforced toeing of the line, so it's not exactly the same)

Beginning to feel that way?

Quote from: Willie the Duck;958608That's what this is, internet offense. But of course it's the other side that is the outrage brigade.

I guess that makes you "internet offended" by other people becoming "internet offended"?  

When other people post they are "internet offended" and when you post you're just expressing your opinion about the topic I suppose?

Quote from: Willie the Duck;958608(obviously there isn't mod-enforced toeing of the line, so it's not exactly the same)

Being able to express NO dissenting opinion and being able to say nearly anything you want...yeah pretty minor difference.  Jesus Wept.  

You don't like politics I get it, so man the fuck up and tell people to shut their fucking piehole about politics, be an adult don't read the fucking thread if it's going to shove sand in your vagina, or you know...do what Pundit just suggested and PM him telling him the thread is getting off the rails if you think it is.  Just quit with the pansy ass passive aggressive bullshit arguing.

I do still plan to get the updated edition of Eclipse Phase. I just think it's unnecessary to have to point out that their hiring more of any gender. I happen to believe people should be judged by their behavior and quality of their work. Not their gender.  As long as the final product is top notch who cares who works on it.

Quote from: sureshot;958615I do still plan to get the updated edition of Eclipse Phase. I just think it's unnecessary to have to point out that their hiring more of any gender. I happen to believe people shoukd be judged by their behavior and quality of their work. Not their gender.  As long as the final product is top notch who cares who works on it.

Let me save everyone the time...

You're obviously a Nazi, MRA, PUA, Misogynist, Knuckle-Dragging, Mouth-Breathing, Catpiss-Smelling, Wife-Beater T-Shirt Wearing, Fatbearded Manchild.  Take that equality stuff and shove it up your easily offended asshole.

Quote from: CRKrueger;958611I guess that makes you "internet offended" by other people becoming "internet offended"?  

When other people post they are "internet offended" and when you post you're just expressing your opinion about the topic I suppose?

I am no better than anyone else, to be sure. What's good for the goose and all... I'm genuinely not sure if I qualify as offended, or even really annoyed, so much as mildly 50% amused/50% disappointed.

Quote from: CRKrueger;958612Being able to express NO dissenting opinion and being able to say nearly anything you want...yeah pretty minor difference.  Jesus Wept.  

No. They are not minor differences, which is exactly why I made the distinction. I am pointing out that while this site has a superior level of openness in ability to express oneself, we are approaching TBP in terms of partisanship. The two are two separate qualities that sites can have, and I was explicitly trying to distinguish between the two. Clearly my level of success was not to your satisfaction.

QuoteYou don't like politics I get it, so man the fuck up and tell people to shut their fucking piehole about politics, be an adult don't read the fucking thread if it's going to shove sand in your vagina, or you know...do what Pundit just suggested and PM him telling him the thread is getting off the rails if you think it is.  Just quit with the pansy ass passive aggressive bullshit arguing.

I very calmly and politely expressed an explanation of my opinion and perspective. I made no demands, made clear that I wasn't expecting other people change their actions in any way. If that equals being passive aggressive and/or a pansy in your mind, well then I don't know what to tell you, we'll just have to disagree. There's no sand in my theoretical vagina or anywhere else. I'm not getting upset. As to not reading the thread, that's a perfectly valid piece of advice. I will consider it. It's relatively beside the point, now, as I've pretty much said all I had to say. I thought it relevant to voice my opinion on whether these political threads are a good thing or not. I graciously accept the idea that others will disagree with that perspective.

My my Voros is right, there certainly are quite a few overly sensitive internet tough guys on this site, and their avatars all too often make it all too easy to see what's happening.

It does come across as likely a publicity gimmic.

But it is just off hand stuff in this case. Least so far if that is all they said. I'll reserve my irk for the ones who try to re-write history to the new SJW timeline of relentless oppression till today.

Or maybe they were just stoked that they scored some tits? :eek:

Quote from: Tequila Sunrise;958622My my Voros is right, there certainly are quite a few overly sensitive internet tough guys on this site, and their avatars all too often make it all too easy to see what's happening.

My my, there sure are a lot of overly sensitive guys who like to post in threads while sneering at other people posting in those same threads, Voros, of course, being the biggest one here currently.

BTW, the avatar was based on an old discussion on Marvel Heroic Roleplaying.

Quote from: sureshot;958573Why the need to point out that they were including more art by female artists.

People in the RPG industry are mostly socialists or worse. Be careful who you give your money to.

Quote from: trechriron;958601Eclipse Phase is a beautifully illustrated creatively written setting.

Yep. It's a coffee table art book.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;958608The density of let's-talk-about-gender-issues threads around here is, if nothing else, noticeable as of late.

Cradle-to-grave socialism is all. Call it "progressive" and people flock to it. Orwell wrote a book about it. See 2-minute hate.

This is getting really tiresome. Complaining about "virtue signaling" and "SJWs" is just virtue signaling for the other side. It doesn't make you better than them. It's just the other side of the same coin. When you get right down to it, the SJWs and the anti-SJWs are both just screaming "I'm not like those guys!"

I personally like to know that a product has more than one gender or ethnic background involved in it. So many people against it keep saying shit like "Just pick the best no matter what they are" but it's not just a matter of which one is the best. If it were engineering or something, it would be easy to say "Just use the design with the tightest tolerances" or "the most efficient output" or whatever numerical quantitative metric you want to use. Art is different.

I don't like Harry Potter, but it's a good example of what I mean. If J.K. Rowling had been a man, Harry Potter might still have been the same wildly successful pile of crap, but it would certainly have been different. It was obviously written by a woman. No man would write about a boy flying around on a broomstick pulling high G maneuvers in a sporting contest while supporting his entire body weight on his testicles. A woman just thinks "They ride broomsticks because, of course they do. That's what witches do and wizards are just boy witches." A man would have noticed it was an uncomfortable thing to do without having to spend any effort thinking about the physics of those high G turns. The story would have been different. Maybe not any better or worse, but certainly different. I'm a straight white dude, but I assume the piles and piles of stuff written by straight white dudes have just as many blind spots that didn't occur to the writers. I like to see some variety and things that make me think "Huh. I never noticed that before."

The Incredible Hulk is pretty powerful and a valuable member of the Avengers team, but they would be a lot less effective if they were just 7 or 8 Hulks. I'm not saying a lot of companies aren't just being inclusive to pander to fans of diversity for its own sake, but there really is a legitimate reason to do it that creates a better product. It was first pointed out to me in the context of hiring for an engineering position at a company that was quite the right wing, "good old boys club", but they put profit ahead of hiring people that looked like them. I was told it's about building the best engineering team, not picking the single best engineer. It's better to get 8 different answers to choose from, even if 2 or 3 of them aren't very good, than to get the same answer 8 times. When you only have one option, you can't be sure you haven't overlooked something.

QuoteNo man would write about a boy flying around on a broomstick pulling high G maneuvers in a sporting contest while supporting his entire body weight on his testicles. A woman just thinks "They ride broomsticks because, of course they do. That's what witches do and wizards are just boy witches." A man would have noticed it was an uncomfortable thing to do without having to spend any effort thinking about the physics of those high G turns. .

Whether or not a story written by a man or a woman would be be different, those are some pretty broad assumptions.

"Virtue Signalling" in RPGs seems to be a fancy buzz phrase for "Marketing to a demographic that I don't like."

Quote from: Krimson;958636"Virtue Signalling" in RPGs seems to be a fancy buzz phrase for "Marketing to a demographic that I don't like."

Ding! Winner.