Quote from: Spinachcat;958685I'd have more respect for that. It would be more honest and probably far more interesting.

Why? It would not be another a generic RPG, but now with 10% More Girl Genitals! Instead, a radical feminist RPG would have a perspective. message and vitality - so even if it wasn't a project for me, it would something unique created with energy, instead of a cheap politicized throwaway.

Maybe check out The Watch rpg by Anna Kreider and Andrew Mederios. Seems to be a call-back to radical feminist separatist 70s science fantasy (Elgin, Mckee Charnas, Piercy). I like some of Andrew's work, like Urban Shadows and his Ptba hack of Star Wars but can't bring myself to support the highly unstable Krieder's work.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;958695You know, I get the impression that you think that the MRM hates women.  

Well, I certainly think that. On account of it's true. The MRM hates women. It just doesn't admit it. Just like feminism hates men, and just doesn't admit it.

Because here's the thing, see: if your main passion in life is about resenting a certain group of people? If you spend large portions of your free time getting together with like-minded individuals to brainstorm up new complaints against that group of people? If you put everything that group of people does under a microscope and study it exhaustively for something, anything, that you can find fault with and claim as further evidence that they're awful and trying to ruin your life for their own selfish reasons? Then YOU FUCKING HATE that group of people.

And no, claiming that you "only hate the bad ones!" does not change that. That just means that you've made yourself the arbiter of who is and is not a "bad one" and therefore shares the guilt of the group.

No, "I don't hate them, just the things they do" is not a defense either. That love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin bullshit never worked for the Christians, it doesn't work for the feminists, and it won't work for you.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;958695Which is ironic, given that some of the loudest voices are other women.

Yes, it's certainly ironic that the most hateful MRAs are women, just as it's ironic that the most hateful feminists are men. But that seems to be how it works. I guess because they need to prove, to themselves and others, that they are most certainly Not Like All Those Other Women/Men.

Yeah, this is definitely headed in Pundit Forum territory.

Quote from: Baeraad;958714Well, I certainly think that. On account of it's true. The MRM hates women. It just doesn't admit it. Just like feminism hates men, and just doesn't admit it.

Citation needed.

Quote from: Baeraad;958714Because here's the thing, see: if your main passion in life is about resenting a certain group of people?

Citation needed.

Quote from: Baeraad;958714If you spend large portions of your free time getting together with like-minded individuals to brainstorm up new complaints against that group of people? If you put everything that group of people does under a microscope and study it exhaustively for something, anything, that you can find fault with and claim as further evidence that they're awful and trying to ruin your life for their own selfish reasons? Then YOU FUCKING HATE that group of people.

That's a pretty apt description of internet feminism.

Quote from: Baeraad;958714And no, claiming that you "only hate the bad ones!" does not change that. That just means that you've made yourself the arbiter of who is and is not a "bad one" and therefore shares the guilt of the group.

Well, of course not.  But seeing as that's exactly what your doing with the MRM, I have a hard believing you're not trolling at this point.

Quote from: Baeraad;958714No, "I don't hate them, just the things they do" is not a defense either. That love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin bullshit never worked for the Christians, it doesn't work for the feminists, and it won't work for you.

I hate feminism.  Straight up no bullshit, I hate what that so-called movement has done to society.  It's a dominance agenda pushing hate group that's advocating supremacy over men by exploiting victimhood to the nth degree since the 1900s and it's winning.  It's basing everything on 'feelings' instead of logic and evidence, and people are just lapping it up.

And yes, they are a hate group.  The first thing a Feminist does when you disagree with her, before you can even begin a discussion is an accusation of mysogyny.  Straight out of the box, do not pass go, do not collect $200.  They make accusations and slander, and they succeed because they's po' weak wimmins, they can do no wrong.

It doesn't care what it does as long as it gets all the accolades and all the advantages.  Fuck men.  Including you.

Quote from: Baeraad;958714Yes, it's certainly ironic that the most hateful MRAs are women, just as it's ironic that the most hateful feminists are men. But that seems to be how it works. I guess because they need to prove, to themselves and others, that they are most certainly Not Like All Those Other Women/Men.

Hateful?  Citation needed.  And uh, you're painting an entire movement by the actions of a few...  I wonder who said we shouldn't do that...

And yes, if this BS fest is going to continue, hie thee to PUNGENCY!

As far as threads that veer off into politics, don't wade into the general melee trying to be traffic cop, just send a PM to Pundit, Brendan, and Estar telling them a political thread is going off the rails.


But...when the gaming SJWs let their flag fly, and take company action with political overtones, how do you address the action without getting into a debate about the underlying principle?  These threads will always, eventually go off the rails by their very nature.

I think calling this one SJW may be a bit excessive.

Quote from: Krimson;958636"Virtue Signalling" in RPGs seems to be a fancy buzz phrase for "Marketing to a demographic that I don't like."

Or it's just virtue signaling.

Quote from: Baeraad;958714Well, I certainly think that. On account of it's true. The MRM hates women. It just doesn't admit it. Just like feminism hates men, and just doesn't admit it.

Because here's the thing, see: if your main passion in life is about resenting a certain group of people? If you spend large portions of your free time getting together with like-minded individuals to brainstorm up new complaints against that group of people? If you put everything that group of people does under a microscope and study it exhaustively for something, anything, that you can find fault with and claim as further evidence that they're awful and trying to ruin your life for their own selfish reasons? Then YOU FUCKING HATE that group of people.

And no, claiming that you "only hate the bad ones!" does not change that. That just means that you've made yourself the arbiter of who is and is not a "bad one" and therefore shares the guilt of the group.

No, "I don't hate them, just the things they do" is not a defense either. That love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin bullshit never worked for the Christians, it doesn't work for the feminists, and it won't work for you.



Yes, it's certainly ironic that the most hateful MRAs are women, just as it's ironic that the most hateful feminists are men. But that seems to be how it works. I guess because they need to prove, to themselves and others, that they are most certainly Not Like All Those Other Women/Men.

As someone who has followed the MRM, seen most of the hubaloo, arguments, and considered himself an MRA for a while, I'd really like to see any examples you may have.
Your argument has a logic to it, but is it accurate?

Quote from: CRKrueger;958735...how do you address the action without getting into a debate about the underlying principle?  

How about some posters not derailing the thread with a pointless debate about the MRM?

Still trying to understand how anyone is surprised that Posthuman Studios - cheerful progressive anarchists that they are - made a statement that could be construed as vaguely leftist.

In other news, that guy who wrote MYFAROG made some vaguely racist comments. Surprised posts to follow.

Manufactured outrage makes the net go round.

Quote from: Nexus;958700And take it to Pungency shall be their rallying cry!

I am happy to power vomit about politics, but I don't want it in the Main RPG forum.

I want the Main RPG forum to be about playing RPGs.

Quote from: CRKrueger;958735But...when the gaming SJWs let their flag fly, and take company action with political overtones, how do you address the action without getting into a debate about the underlying principle?  These threads will always, eventually go off the rails by their very nature.

True, but that's why the subforum should be used.

I've made the mistake myself, but I can see that we have LOTS of posters who want theRPGsite to be a refuge from the 24/7 politics of today and I think the Main Forum should be kept "clean" because these threads always lead to acrimony.

Quote from: darthfozzywig;958811In other news, that guy who wrote MYFAROG made some vaguely racist comments. Surprised posts to follow.

Post a thread about it in Pungency. Varg has few friends around here (for good reason), and I like death metal.

Quote from: Voros;958803How about not derailing the thread with a pointless debate about the MRM?

You're confusing me with another poster I think.  Either that or just being a disingenuous ass.  Not sure which.

Quote from: Spinachcat;958818True, but that's why the subforum should be used.

I've made the mistake myself, but I can see that we have LOTS of posters who want theRPGsite to be a refuge from the 24/7 politics of today and I think the Main Forum should be kept "clean" because these threads always lead to acrimony.

Then they probably should have posted in the Help Desk thread where I suggested we do exactly that. Any of these "Game Designer Virtue Signaling" threads are going to end up in the exact same place, talking about the core politics behind the policy/decision/action/marketing/whatever.

Quote from: Voros;958814Manufactured outrage makes the net go round.

You mean like yours?

Oh no that's right, when other people post, they're outraged, nerdraging, being internet tough guys, making something SRSBNS, {insert internet term which proves only that you have no argument here}, but whenever you post it's different. I forgot.