Quote from: Trond on April 27, 2022, 10:47:14 PM

Quote from: molybdenumrose on April 26, 2022, 07:51:42 PM
Are you sure your group will feel safe playing those yellow games? You know that money is going to terrorist groups who want to burn down the cheesecake factory in your suburb. Even worse, your group might see brown skin...

As an immigrant to USA in a "mixed-race" marriage, we have quickly come to realize that sjw wokescolds are the most likely to behave weirdly inappropriate around people with brown skin, not conservatives. It may have something to do with refusing to be "color blind", but I fear the creepiness sometimes goes deeper.

If you're a misogynist, the obvious way to hide it is to become a feminist or a "male ally". That way you can direct your misogyny towards conservative women who you claim are womaning wrong and it's perfectly OK. Same with being a racist. Claim that you're anti-colonialist or whatever, and direct your racism towards conservative blacks, and you have in your eye a justification to call them a house nigger (apparently the only time it's OK to say the word nigger is if you're a white liberal attacking a black conservative). These are people who want to hate someone, and they've found a politically correct way of expressing that hatred.

Quote from: Trond on April 27, 2022, 10:47:14 PM

Quote from: molybdenumrose on April 26, 2022, 07:51:42 PM
Are you sure your group will feel safe playing those yellow games? You know that money is going to terrorist groups who want to burn down the cheesecake factory in your suburb. Even worse, your group might see brown skin...

As an immigrant to USA in a "mixed-race" marriage, we have quickly come to realize that sjw wokescolds are the most likely to behave weirdly inappropriate around people with brown skin, not conservatives. It may have something to do with refusing to be "color blind", but I fear the creepiness sometimes goes deeper.

Greetings!

Yeah, Trond!

The SJW's sanctimoniously smirk with self-righteous glee and talk about Conservatives never seeing brown skin or being around minorities.

WTF?

I, and many other Conservatives have had minorities as friends, lovers, marriage partners, working together, and otherwise accepting them and getting along reasonably well for fucking *decades*

What delusional, fucked up world do these SJW's live in?

I also think it is an extension of their delusion and mental illnesses. We know from medical studies that Liberals are far more likely to suffer from a range of mental illnesses than Conservatives. They seem to love to superimpose the characteristics of some deep-South town in the 1950's to everywhere today, and listening to them shriek, it's like nothing as changed.

It is all just verbal and mental gymnastics to hide the fact and reality that it is Liberals that are deeply racist--not Conservatives. The good news is, especially, more and more minorities, of whatever kind--are starting to really lock onto that and see through the lies and bullshit. The Liberals have for decades brainwashed, manipulated, and used minorities of every group in which to build and support their power. These efforts have been primarily two pronged--one launched through academia, always applauding the Democrats, and always making the Conservatives look bad in every situation, especially involving minorities; and the next major prong of the effort has been through the development and funding of a class of racist grifters and demagogues, like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, amongst others. These efforts have large been very successful for the Liberal for decades. However, things are gradually changing, and in some ways, quickly.

Liberal morons like this guy here are just still existing in that weird echo chamber bubble of racist fantasy, where somehow, Conservatives are these cigar-chomping racists from the deep South, and only the good Liberals stand in the way of a new era of racist oppression being imposed against minorities by the evil Conservatives.

It is all a very cartoonish way of viewing the world.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on April 28, 2022, 04:44:18 AM

Quote from: Trond on April 27, 2022, 10:47:14 PM

Quote from: molybdenumrose on April 26, 2022, 07:51:42 PM
Are you sure your group will feel safe playing those yellow games? You know that money is going to terrorist groups who want to burn down the cheesecake factory in your suburb. Even worse, your group might see brown skin...

As an immigrant to USA in a "mixed-race" marriage, we have quickly come to realize that sjw wokescolds are the most likely to behave weirdly inappropriate around people with brown skin, not conservatives. It may have something to do with refusing to be "color blind", but I fear the creepiness sometimes goes deeper.

Greetings!

Yeah, Trond!

The SJW's sanctimoniously smirk with self-righteous glee and talk about Conservatives never seeing brown skin or being around minorities.

WTF?

I, and many other Conservatives have had minorities as friends, lovers, marriage partners, working together, and otherwise accepting them and getting along reasonably well for fucking *decades*

What delusional, fucked up world do these SJW's live in?

I also think it is an extension of their delusion and mental illnesses. We know from medical studies that Liberals are far more likely to suffer from a range of mental illnesses than Conservatives. They seem to love to superimpose the characteristics of some deep-South town in the 1950's to everywhere today, and listening to them shriek, it's like nothing as changed.

It is all just verbal and mental gymnastics to hide the fact and reality that it is Liberals that are deeply racist--not Conservatives. The good news is, especially, more and more minorities, of whatever kind--are starting to really lock onto that and see through the lies and bullshit. The Liberals have for decades brainwashed, manipulated, and used minorities of every group in which to build and support their power. These efforts have been primarily two pronged--one launched through academia, always applauding the Democrats, and always making the Conservatives look bad in every situation, especially involving minorities; and the next major prong of the effort has been through the development and funding of a class of racist grifters and demagogues, like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, amongst others. These efforts have large been very successful for the Liberal for decades. However, things are gradually changing, and in some ways, quickly.

Liberal morons like this guy here are just still existing in that weird echo chamber bubble of racist fantasy, where somehow, Conservatives are these cigar-chomping racists from the deep South, and only the good Liberals stand in the way of a new era of racist oppression being imposed against minorities by the evil Conservatives.

It is all a very cartoonish way of viewing the world.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Pretty much, yes. But don't forget another "woke" line of attack: Hollywood. I don't know how many people I've run into who thinks that the dumbed-down and over-hyped racism portrayed in movies is the real deal. I've had friends who actually were skeptical about traveling to the southern states for fear of nooses and pointy hoods.

Yeah, I had a woman try to convince me that things were like in Mad Men. I suppose there might be some truth to it, but it's surely an exaggeration.

These last few posts are completely off-topic. Do not post about politics outside of gaming.

Id Drop Ulisses Spiele to Red...

Ive been Raising the Black and getting their version of "Fading Suns", as I own the original and the Fasa Versions...and yeah. Every book has at least one tranny in it, and not just House Decados which Id let fly, because theyre supposed to be deviant and depraved...but every faction Ive seen has at least one, sometimes more...

Quote from: The Comedian on May 02, 2022, 10:28:02 AM
Id Drop Ulisses Spiele to Red...

Ive been Raising the Black and getting their version of "Fading Suns", as I own the original and the Fasa Versions...and yeah. Every book has at least one tranny in it, and not just House Decados which Id let fly, because theyre supposed to be deviant and depraved...but every faction Ive seen has at least one, sometimes more...

What in the world are these games about that we even need to know the history of someone's gender? If we're supposed to believe that someone who's transitioned is now the other gender, then how does a character's previous gender ever come into game play?

Or, are these game authors trying to tell us that no, trans people are not after all the gender they claim to be, but something else entirely?

Quote from: Zalman on May 02, 2022, 10:57:36 AM
What in the world are these games about that we even need to know the history of someone's gender? If we're supposed to believe that someone who's transitioned is now the other gender, then how does a character's previous gender ever come into game play?

Or, are these game authors trying to tell us that no, trans people are not after all the gender they claim to be, but something else entirely?

Fading Suns is a game where I can see it mattering, example: you're trying to establish a cadet branch of a House and have to use suppressed tech that will get Church attention to have an heir with your spouse...

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy on May 02, 2022, 11:30:39 AM

Quote from: Zalman on May 02, 2022, 10:57:36 AM
What in the world are these games about that we even need to know the history of someone's gender? If we're supposed to believe that someone who's transitioned is now the other gender, then how does a character's previous gender ever come into game play?

Or, are these game authors trying to tell us that no, trans people are not after all the gender they claim to be, but something else entirely?

Fading Suns is a game where I can see it mattering, example: you're trying to establish a cadet branch of a House and have to use suppressed tech that will get Church attention to have an heir with your spouse...

Fair enough, if part of what a game is about includes biological reproduction, that makes sense.

Of course, such a game setting also shines a light on the primacy of biological sex over (what is nowadays called) gender, which makes me skeptical that the games trumpeting their "transness" are the same ones making any use of biology as a game mechanic.

Indeed. The whole 'trans identity' issue kind of breaks down if it's NOT an issue any more.

Eclipse Phase, for example: most morphs beyond flats have a built in 'switch' to swap genders. Takes about a week before the nanomachines and whatnot get you fully rebuilt. And if not, the friendly medtech two doors down can probably manage it for you.

Yeah, I know, sufficiently advanced technology indistinguishable from magic, etc.

But the point is that someone obsessing over their 'erroneous' gender in EP would probably be viewed as a weirdo. It'd be like someone in present day bitching about their shirt being uncomfortable. Stop whining about it and go change shirts!

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 02, 2022, 01:40:55 PM
Indeed. The whole 'trans identity' issue kind of breaks down if it's NOT an issue any more.

Eclipse Phase, for example: most morphs beyond flats have a built in 'switch' to swap genders. Takes about a week before the nanomachines and whatnot get you fully rebuilt. And if not, the friendly medtech two doors down can probably manage it for you.

Yeah, I know, sufficiently advanced technology indistinguishable from magic, etc.

But the point is that someone obsessing over their 'erroneous' gender in EP would probably be viewed as a weirdo. It'd be like someone in present day bitching about their shirt being uncomfortable. Stop whining about it and go change shirts!

Which is the exact same argument against the combat wheelchair, trans issues, etc in a setting of high fantasy where magic can cure such ailments.

Now, a combat wheelchair a la (IIRC) Riddick? I can see that.

Onyx Path is further confirmed in the Bleeding Red as their new "Rust" 5E book is chock full of pronouns with pages and pages of they/them, Non-Binary, etc throughout. 

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 02, 2022, 01:59:27 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 02, 2022, 01:40:55 PM
Indeed. The whole 'trans identity' issue kind of breaks down if it's NOT an issue any more.

Eclipse Phase, for example: most morphs beyond flats have a built in 'switch' to swap genders. Takes about a week before the nanomachines and whatnot get you fully rebuilt. And if not, the friendly medtech two doors down can probably manage it for you.

Yeah, I know, sufficiently advanced technology indistinguishable from magic, etc.

But the point is that someone obsessing over their 'erroneous' gender in EP would probably be viewed as a weirdo. It'd be like someone in present day bitching about their shirt being uncomfortable. Stop whining about it and go change shirts!

Which is the exact same argument against the combat wheelchair, trans issues, etc in a setting of high fantasy where magic can cure such ailments.

Now, a combat wheelchair a la (IIRC) Riddick? I can see that.

  Something that has always bothered me about the combat chair Ravenor uses, is that his mentor had connections to get a guy who literally is one of the worst villains in the Imperium of man a whole body made to put his consciousness into.   He seemed to never bother trying this for his star cadre member and the guy he thought would be a great inquisitor one day.  Other than that detail though, WH40k's universe makes sense to have something like a combat chair as well.  D&D never made sense, and I can see scenarios where WH fantasy it could make sense, but the strange push to have disabled people represented as fully capable PCs has always seemed really odd to me.

Quote from: oggsmash on May 02, 2022, 02:30:44 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 02, 2022, 01:59:27 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 02, 2022, 01:40:55 PM
Indeed. The whole 'trans identity' issue kind of breaks down if it's NOT an issue any more.

Eclipse Phase, for example: most morphs beyond flats have a built in 'switch' to swap genders. Takes about a week before the nanomachines and whatnot get you fully rebuilt. And if not, the friendly medtech two doors down can probably manage it for you.

Yeah, I know, sufficiently advanced technology indistinguishable from magic, etc.

But the point is that someone obsessing over their 'erroneous' gender in EP would probably be viewed as a weirdo. It'd be like someone in present day bitching about their shirt being uncomfortable. Stop whining about it and go change shirts!

Which is the exact same argument against the combat wheelchair, trans issues, etc in a setting of high fantasy where magic can cure such ailments.

Now, a combat wheelchair a la (IIRC) Riddick? I can see that.

  Something that has always bothered me about the combat chair Ravenor uses, is that his mentor had connections to get a guy who literally is one of the worst villains in the Imperium of man a whole body made to put his consciousness into.   He seemed to never bother trying this for his star cadre member and the guy he thought would be a great inquisitor one day.  Other than that detail though, WH40k's universe makes sense to have something like a combat chair as well.  D&D never made sense, and I can see scenarios where WH fantasy it could make sense, but the strange push to have disabled people represented as fully capable PCs has always seemed really odd to me.

The "chair" was basically a floating casket that holds whatever husk is left of Ravenor.  That completely makes sense due to the back story of the character and actions in prior books that setup this type of life-coffin.  Further many Space Marines that are still "functional" are dropped in Titan's to be their "pilots" so the lore backs up the reasoning.   

If you are literally a cripple in D&D and need a wheelchair to move around you are basically not leaving a certain area and not traveling around the world unless you have someway of migrating Vertical movement spaces at will.

If the backstory meshes well and the mobility won't be a hinderance I don't see a problem with having a mobile "chair" of some sort.  That has to be solved first and foremost and not have a game built around "Well you can't go down stairs there Claptrap..."

Quote from: THE_Leopold on May 02, 2022, 02:45:26 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on May 02, 2022, 02:30:44 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 02, 2022, 01:59:27 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 02, 2022, 01:40:55 PM
Indeed. The whole 'trans identity' issue kind of breaks down if it's NOT an issue any more.

Eclipse Phase, for example: most morphs beyond flats have a built in 'switch' to swap genders. Takes about a week before the nanomachines and whatnot get you fully rebuilt. And if not, the friendly medtech two doors down can probably manage it for you.

Yeah, I know, sufficiently advanced technology indistinguishable from magic, etc.

But the point is that someone obsessing over their 'erroneous' gender in EP would probably be viewed as a weirdo. It'd be like someone in present day bitching about their shirt being uncomfortable. Stop whining about it and go change shirts!

Which is the exact same argument against the combat wheelchair, trans issues, etc in a setting of high fantasy where magic can cure such ailments.

Now, a combat wheelchair a la (IIRC) Riddick? I can see that.

  Something that has always bothered me about the combat chair Ravenor uses, is that his mentor had connections to get a guy who literally is one of the worst villains in the Imperium of man a whole body made to put his consciousness into.   He seemed to never bother trying this for his star cadre member and the guy he thought would be a great inquisitor one day.  Other than that detail though, WH40k's universe makes sense to have something like a combat chair as well.  D&D never made sense, and I can see scenarios where WH fantasy it could make sense, but the strange push to have disabled people represented as fully capable PCs has always seemed really odd to me.

The "chair" was basically a floating casket that holds whatever husk is left of Ravenor.  That completely makes sense due to the back story of the character and actions in prior books that setup this type of life-coffin.  Further many Space Marines that are still "functional" are dropped in Titan's to be their "pilots" so the lore backs up the reasoning.   

If you are literally a cripple in D&D and need a wheelchair to move around you are basically not leaving a certain area and not traveling around the world unless you have someway of migrating Vertical movement spaces at will.

If the backstory meshes well and the mobility won't be a hinderance I don't see a problem with having a mobile "chair" of some sort.  That has to be solved first and foremost and not have a game built around "Well you can't go down stairs there Claptrap..."

  In the setting the chair does make sense, however in his particular case, his mentor Eisenhorn gave a wonderful body to a horrible heretic, and never even seemed to consider doing this for Ravenor.  I find that odd.   I also think if we are talking D&D, the flying battle chair is probably more expensive than having a restoration spell cast on you.