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[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

Started by Ocule, August 03, 2021, 12:26:41 PM

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Ghostmaker

#2625
April 11, 2022, 08:00:36 AM
I'm mixed on it. TBP is not a game developer. However, I have bemoaned before that I wonder how many newbies go to RPGnet and find themselves wondering 'what the hell is WRONG with these people?'.

First impressions, and all that.

Still, I can see it either way.

Stephen Tannhauser

#2626
April 11, 2022, 08:19:55 AM
Quote from: Effete on April 11, 2022, 12:49:48 AM
Are websites fair game?

I understand the impulse but I would call that definition creep. Publishers are where you spend money. Websites are where you spend time. Suggest starting a different list.
Better to keep silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. -- Mark Twain

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oggsmash

#2627
April 11, 2022, 09:17:32 AM
Quote from: Effete on April 11, 2022, 12:49:48 AM
Are websites fair game? RPG[dot]net (which handles PbP too) has some of the following as ACTUAL rules on posting:

• Users aren't allowed to defend police if a shooting involved a minority (guilt be damned)
• Posts praising Donald Trump will be removed and the user suspended
• Character bios that use phrases like "a typical dwarf" will result in a warning
• Questioning the ruling of a female GM results in a warning
• Liberal use (pun intended) of "problematic content" in the rules without clear definition of what that is... so basically picking sides, because I personally find the majority of these arbitrary rules "problematic"

Abandon all sanity, ye who enter here.
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rpg-net-rules-guidelines-edited-7-29-2021.835825/

  I really do not think anyone here needs Rpg.net on a list to know what goes on over there.

migo

#2628
April 11, 2022, 09:26:04 AM
Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on April 11, 2022, 08:19:55 AM
Quote from: Effete on April 11, 2022, 12:49:48 AM
Are websites fair game?

I understand the impulse but I would call that definition creep. Publishers are where you spend money. Websites are where you spend time. Suggest starting a different list.

Also the list as is is quite rough to begin with. It's already a mess trying to double check each entry in this thread. I knew not to trust it from the start because Schwalb Entertainment was green, and reading through every page to find the other ones that shouldn't have been green (Necrotic Gnome for instance) was quite a slog.

Zalman

#2629
April 11, 2022, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on April 11, 2022, 09:17:32 AM
  I really do not think anyone here needs Rpg.net on a list to know what goes on over there.

The reach of the List goes far beyond "here", and in fact has attracted a slew of new members to the site.
Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

Ocule

#2630
April 11, 2022, 09:46:26 AM
I didn't include it because it was a forum and didn't produce anything but y'all make some good points on newbies finding it as their first search. It's usually the first website that pops up on google. Though if you can't figure out they're lunatics as soon as you visit the page I'm not sure this list can help you lol.

Anyway I don't mind including them, I'm not sure what I'd put for their justification in being red. I can't copy paste the whole website
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GeekyBugle

#2631
April 11, 2022, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: Ocule on April 11, 2022, 09:46:26 AM
I didn't include it because it was a forum and didn't produce anything but y'all make some good points on newbies finding it as their first search. It's usually the first website that pops up on google. Though if you can't figure out they're lunatics as soon as you visit the page I'm not sure this list can help you lol.

Anyway I don't mind including them, I'm not sure what I'd put for their justification in being red. I can't copy paste the whole website

IF you're including them you need a website category, but I wouldn't. Anyone going there and not a koolaid binger will get banned faster than you can say "fortified elections", or will soon discover the type of shite the site is.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Effete

#2632
April 11, 2022, 02:04:01 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 11, 2022, 06:49:29 AM
As a self-defense instructor, I tell people not to go to bad places or hostile environments. For 'mental' self-defense, I'd say the same thing. Don't go to shitty places online and especially ones run by the Gestapo. ;)

That's some great advice! :D

@migo  My thoughts were along the lines of just not sending traffic to their site. Is the point of the list limited to just financial support, or support of any kind?
Still, I understand to desire to limit it to only developers.

migo

#2633
April 11, 2022, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: Effete on April 11, 2022, 02:04:01 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 11, 2022, 06:49:29 AM
As a self-defense instructor, I tell people not to go to bad places or hostile environments. For 'mental' self-defense, I'd say the same thing. Don't go to shitty places online and especially ones run by the Gestapo. ;)

That's some great advice! :D

@migo  My thoughts were along the lines of just not sending traffic to their site. Is the point of the list limited to just financial support, or support of any kind?
Still, I understand to desire to limit it to only developers.

I figure it's self-limiting - they've gone so far off the deep end that I think anyone would realise it.

Effete

#2634
April 11, 2022, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Zalman on April 11, 2022, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on April 11, 2022, 09:17:32 AM
  I really do not think anyone here needs Rpg.net on a list to know what goes on over there.

The reach of the List goes far beyond "here", and in fact has attracted a slew of new members to the site.

*waves* "Hello!"

Yeah, I found this site after searching the net for companies not to support and the link to this thread popped up. I was never a huge online gamer, but after the whole debacle with the coof, it became hard to find places to meetup. So it was either get my gaming fix some other way, or get back on heroin. :p

I'm sure the insanity of rpgnet is nothing new to most people here, but for me it was a little shocking. I've gamed with people of different political ideologies, religions, and sexual preference, both men and women... there was always that unspoken rule that you leave that shit at the door.

TheTechnomancer

#2635
April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

migo

#2636
April 11, 2022, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

The way they caved to Evil Hat to boot Desborough's GamerGate card game from the store is definitely not good, the problem is where else are you going to go to buy games? They have a near-monopoly on digital distribution of RPGs and now actually with print distribution too.

Ocule

#2637
April 11, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

So far imo drivethru is a tough one. On one hand they have removed products before like I think there was a gamergate rpg and a tournament of rapists game. The latter is understandable it's like hosting fatal and some piece with Raggi and zak S. One the other hand though it is usually better to buy from the publisher themselves than dtrpg if you want to support em. Alpha blue is still up and that's Vengers sleazy scifi adventure about banging your way through the galaxy

Idk anyone else have any insight? We aren't exactly swimming in choice for online storefronts for pdfs and print on demand products.
Read my Consumer's Guide to TTRPGs
here. This is a living document.

Forever GM

Now Running: Mystara (BECMI)

Effete

#2638
April 11, 2022, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Ocule on April 11, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

Idk anyone else have any insight? We aren't exactly swimming in choice for online storefronts for pdfs and print on demand products.

I think it comes down to seeing a pattern. Caving to demands may have been a kneejerk response to the Leftist Hate Mob. I remember a few years back, dtrpg was offering a gaming bundle where all the procedes went to the SPLC, but I think that organized by a third party. I may be wrong though; not sure if DT still took their cut. Understandable, it was something I saw and then immediately ignored.

GeekyBugle

#2639
April 11, 2022, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: TheTechnomancer on April 11, 2022, 02:53:36 PM
What About DriveThruRPG?

What about it indeed... Are you proposing we boycott every single game sold there? Oh the humanity...
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell
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