[List] TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies

3catcircus · November 26, 2021, 11:00:19 AM

Quote from: Anomalous on November 26, 2021, 07:47:49 AM
Quote from: Samsquantch on November 26, 2021, 01:32:01 AM
Tuesday Knight Games has changed their Mothership character Sheet for the kickstarter and taken away the 'rank / title' section to 'pronouns'. And the example character is female with a girlfriend back home. Not sure if that pushes from yellow to red but that's the latest news I've seen.

My view, fuck em. They/Them lesbian so just screams sci-fi horror.

This. Just break out the Star Frontiers, Traveller or even older editions of Call of Cthulhu.

Ocule · November 26, 2021, 12:57:17 PM

Wow that is super cringe. I'll think about tuesday night gaming but honestly probably that sounds pretty propagandist to me.

Another one that was brought to my attention elsewhere is Catalyst Game Labs who currently holds shadowrun, check this cringe out. Older news but still https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/b6z0gs/why_exactly_do_people_hate_catalyst_game_labs/ While not something that is woke apparently they are just really shitty to people

shoplifter · November 26, 2021, 03:35:43 PM

Quote from: Ocule on November 26, 2021, 12:57:17 PM
Wow that is super cringe. I'll think about tuesday night gaming but honestly probably that sounds pretty propagandist to me.

Another one that was brought to my attention elsewhere is Catalyst Game Labs who currently holds shadowrun, check this cringe out. Older news but still https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/b6z0gs/why_exactly_do_people_hate_catalyst_game_labs/ While not something that is woke apparently they are just really shitty to people

Catalyst double shipped me one item and didn't ship the other about 8 months ago. I emailed four times, tried facebook, twitter, emailed again to different people. Not a single response, aside from the Facebook account managed by volunteers who can't actually help you (but will try to get Catalyst's attention to do so). I ended up doing a dispute on my credit card and got the entire order refunded. I gave them every opportunity to fix it, but to this day I still haven't gotten a reply from them. Apparently this is not uncommon.

They'll never get another dime from me because they have no idea how to service the people handing them money.

mudbanks · November 27, 2021, 09:40:31 PM

Quote from: Ocule on November 23, 2021, 07:58:30 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on November 12, 2021, 04:26:05 PM
Ocule, have you been following the thread about "DCCRPG going woke"?

Hey i've been really busy dealing with some real life issue. Backtracking in the thread to see what i've missed. I've made some updates to the google doc and i'll post some here. Finally got caught up with the thread again and added to the markdown document on my computer. I HATE converting all this to markdown text so i can post it with formatting here.

As far as Goodman games, this is frustrating and I want to give them the benefit of the doubt with the gender neutral thing. However jesus fucking christ their con rules, what you posted was mild in comparison to the full document.

Link https://goodman-games.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DCO-Policies.pdf

I did also add the companies mentioned for Green and moved kobold press to yellow, the only reason i didnt move them to green was because I can't know the intention of why the author of that article in the Gamemasters Guide was published in their guide. I get it's an anthology but allowing someone to scold your audience and then pay to have it published makes me hesitant. But given it's just about the only thing they've done that would give me that impression they can sit in yellow I think that's fair.

I do consider the guide complete in the sense that there doesn't seem to be much more to actually add to it, i'm sure other entries will trickle in and companies will do something redeeming or damning to merit a recategorization. So it's still alive just "all grown up" now i suppose. It lets me work on other more productive things like actually running games. I'll try and be a bit more active here because there've been some fun discussions and I don't feel like I need to censor myself or get banned. Which is rare for ttrpg communities.

Just wanted to say, thanks for doing God's work!

PonchoGoblin · November 28, 2021, 09:27:47 PM

Any opinions of Zozer Games? They mostly stick around the Cepheus OGL sphere. Their setting Hostile looks pretty good from what I've seen. Might be a solid non-woke alternative to Mothership if you want sci-fi horror.

Will share more once I give it a read though, kinda hit my spending limit this paycheck already.

RandyB · November 28, 2021, 10:26:16 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on November 28, 2021, 09:27:47 PM
Any opinions of Zozer Games? They mostly stick around the Cepheus OGL sphere. Their setting Hostile looks pretty good from what I've seen. Might be a solid non-woke alternative to Mothership if you want sci-fi horror.

Will share more once I give it a read though, kinda hit my spending limit this paycheck already.

Can't comment on their public stance on anything. I haven't seen anything woke in their product, which is excellent overall. IMO, Hostile is a better Aliens than any of the licensed Aliens games, current and past.

PonchoGoblin · November 28, 2021, 10:49:45 PM

Quote from: RandyB on November 28, 2021, 10:26:16 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on November 28, 2021, 09:27:47 PM
Any opinions of Zozer Games? They mostly stick around the Cepheus OGL sphere. Their setting Hostile looks pretty good from what I've seen. Might be a solid non-woke alternative to Mothership if you want sci-fi horror.

Will share more once I give it a read though, kinda hit my spending limit this paycheck already.

Can't comment on their public stance on anything. I haven't seen anything woke in their product, which is excellent overall. IMO, Hostile is a better Aliens than any of the licensed Aliens games, current and past.

That's good to hear, heard it was really good!

jeff37923 · November 29, 2021, 02:48:08 AM

Zozer Games is pretty anti-woke. The only caveat I can add is that they are primarily a business and not interested in sending a political message.

mudbanks · November 29, 2021, 09:25:54 PM

They also have a close working relationship with Stellagama, which is in the green.

PonchoGoblin · December 04, 2021, 07:35:15 PM

With Mongoose, would it still be green with the "Traveller 2022 Update" shenanigans? Can't tell if it's a wokified version or just a cash grab. Either way, $30 for a PDF is fairly steep.

HappyDaze · December 04, 2021, 07:36:54 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on December 04, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
With Mongoose, would it still be green with the "Traveller 2022 Update" shenanigans? Can't tell if it's a wokified version or just a cash grab. Either way, $30 for a PDF is fairly steep.

I have it as part of a bundle. What about it makes you feel like it's wokified?

PonchoGoblin · December 04, 2021, 07:39:37 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on December 04, 2021, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on December 04, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
With Mongoose, would it still be green with the "Traveller 2022 Update" shenanigans? Can't tell if it's a wokified version or just a cash grab. Either way, $30 for a PDF is fairly steep.
I have it as part of a bundle. What about it makes you feel like it's wokified?

A lot of people were kinda hinting that it was in the discussions on DriveThru and comments I've seen elsewhere, although it might just be people upset that they basically released an expensive errata document. Plus there's the whole weird "Rory" thing on DriveThru, makes it feel like the dude works at Mongoose

HappyDaze · December 04, 2021, 08:01:08 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on December 04, 2021, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on December 04, 2021, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on December 04, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
With Mongoose, would it still be green with the "Traveller 2022 Update" shenanigans? Can't tell if it's a wokified version or just a cash grab. Either way, $30 for a PDF is fairly steep.
I have it as part of a bundle. What about it makes you feel like it's wokified?

A lot of people were kinda hinting that it was in the discussions on DriveThru and comments I've seen elsewhere, although it might just be people upset that they basically released an expensive errata document. Plus there's the whole weird "Rory" thing on DriveThru, makes it feel like the dude works at Mongoose

So likely a case of "I see woke people...everywhere" without any substance then?

Aglondir · December 04, 2021, 08:21:06 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on December 04, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
With Mongoose, would it still be green with the "Traveller 2022 Update" shenanigans? Can't tell if it's a wokified version or just a cash grab. Either way, $30 for a PDF is fairly steep.

I didn't notice any Woke when I looked at the preview on Drive-thru.

PonchoGoblin · December 04, 2021, 08:27:53 PM

Quote from: Aglondir on December 04, 2021, 08:21:06 PM
Quote from: PonchoGoblin on December 04, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
With Mongoose, would it still be green with the "Traveller 2022 Update" shenanigans? Can't tell if it's a wokified version or just a cash grab. Either way, $30 for a PDF is fairly steep.

I didn't notice any Woke when I looked at the preview on Drive-thru.

That's what I noticed too, so I didn't know how true those musings were.

And Happy, less "see woke people everywhere" and more " the woke at TBP are praising it HEAVILY" so I wanted to see what was up