Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 12:10:37 PM
Good point I'm not sure where that rumor started. If it's false I don't want to make it gain any traction

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Quote from: TheAsimovian on September 08, 2021, 12:13:21 PM
There are many more companies/people here in the UK who should be on the red part of the list, but they would probably pretend to be delighted and use it for publicity.

Nothing wrong with that, the guide is meant to be useful to everyone. So, nominate away! (preferably with some specific evidence for each).

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
After removing the rumor on Diogo Noguiera/Old Skull Publishing wanting to punch vengers teeth in or something, I couldn't find anything to substantiate that claim or the wanting to put "game not for fascists" on every title. However people share the darndest things on twitter, the dude looks like a real piece of work. Oh well wish granted he can stay red for the real reason. IE Being a general douchebag. I think at this point anyone who specifically asks to be in the red category i'm basically interpreting as "If you don't like my politics don't buy my products" in which case i'm more than happy to grant such a request.

It's funny, I can basically sum up this whole project as "do you treat people the way you wish to be treated" The real question is though, do I include creators that are so small i doubt their own mothers even know they still exist?

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Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
The real question is though, do I include creators that are so small i doubt their own mothers even know they still exist?

If you start trying to track every mentally ill twatter who ever "sold" 10 copies of their pwyw supplement on drivethru then I think the list would lose some of its value. Maybe a requirement that they have at least a single copper bestseller before inclusion or some other criteria would be useful.

Quote from: ArtemisWyrm on September 08, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
When people come on here to tear down the list based on baseless accusations of 'hypocrisy' and 'bigotry' I am reminded of this Nietzsche essay:

http://www.michaelhoskinson.com/nietzsche-on-the-tarantulas/

Quote from: ArtemisWyrm on September 08, 2021, 02:19:32 PM
On the other hand Tenkar is a blogger and not a publusher and I don't see a reason to put him on a list just for being an asshole. The list is meant to help consumers make informed decisions on what products to buy.

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 08, 2021, 06:31:43 PM
I mean, it's a he-said/he-said situation...

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Quote from: SHARK on September 08, 2021, 03:03:52 PM
Greetings!

Geesus. All the whining cunts. Ocule should make more lists calling out the cock-sucking Liberal Marxists.

Just so the little bitches can cry and snivel some more.

Fucking morons. How many times doe it need to be explained to you? The List doesn't "Cancel" anyone. It doesn't tell anyone not to buy from X company. It simply provides a listing of companies and how political or not--they have been in marketing their games.

That is nothing like the Cancel Lists that the fucking SJW's have made for years.

So, no hypocrisy at all.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Your kind always lies and should never be believed.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 07, 2021, 11:54:06 PM
I have some experience at keeping the community safe, and I find that I have to act like a kindergarten teacher. What's marvelous about it is that it wasn't until I got to a certain level of attendance that I did have to, prior to that it was pretty self-operating. I was just a DM that helped other DMs meet up with players. But in a group that large, there's always a couple of folks that require a bit of kindergarten lessons.

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Quote from: pawsplay on September 08, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
Is it possible to land on the Red list by being a full-on Nazi? People talk about "normal" gamers but I see a lot of right, far-right, and eccentric attitudes expressed in this thread that don't fly with "normal gamers" insofar as that's a thing. So I'm really wondering if being apolitical is the Green standard here, or if this is just a deck shuffle to really say right-wing, conservative, or retrograde politics.
Oh, and thank you, posters with less than 10 posts, for showing up and registering to post the absolute worst takes on everything.

I and Ocule have touched upon this subject a bit. Basically, I suggested that we separate the neutral/undecided/unknown and anti-SJW list as well as the SJW and alt-right list. The only people on the Anti-SJW list would be the people who have explicitly stated that they are opposed to SJWs, not the people that we suspect of being anti-SJWs. I have also listed a couple of more names for the neutral list as well as a couple of names for the hypothetical alt-right list. Unfortunately, I still haven't heard back from Ocule regarding this idea. Hopefully, he sees this post.

It's a terrible idea. If the list is to maintain any fairness, it needs to address bad actors, not political alignments. Red should be those who exclude, not just those who are the Sharp Point on Political Axis X. Green should be the companies who welcome anyone of any political stripe, as long as they meet some basic standards of decency.

Myfarog guy should definitely be red.

Sorry comments are hard to keep up with, this thread is so active. I was thinking about this for the past few days and I agree, I'm going to add MyFarog and a the judges guild guy to red. The guide should encompass overall practices as a buyers guide. Like a buyers beware this will involve changing some of the language I initially used to categorize the various entities. Of course the spiel of "if you don't like our politics or voted for x don't buy our games" will still be categorized as red. Yellow should be a bit more defined as well.

New definitions might shift some of the yellows around as well to either green or red. Though I predict mostly towards green. My goal is to make it so only an absolute tard could possibly mistake it for a hate list or black list

Don't forget to add Vox Day to one of these lists. He could be Red cause he's alt-right or green cause he publishes works from anyone, even people he vehemently disagrees with (Such as Ken Burnside). Maybe the yellow list would be a good compromise from him. Glenn Rahman and Ken St. Andre should go on Green for the reasons that I provided. Tenkar should go on the green list (for now) with a footnote that he did do some unsavory things in the past (or at least put him on the yellow list).

I maintain that the anti-SJW and neutral lists should be separated so as to avoid problems for the neutrals. I have suggested that only people that openly declare themselves to be anti-SJWs should be on the Anti-SJW list. It would be stupid to antagonize any neutrals over this. If anyone remembers the people who were suggested as replacements for Grim Jim after he left IC, then let me and Ocule know.

I also agree that only designers of some note should be on this list so as to avoid attention seekers hoping to gain fame/infamy.

Has Vox Day (or Tenkar for that matter, though I hate to name him next to someone like Vox) actually done any RPG works?  I think the list shouldn't be expanded to people or companies that aren't actually making any RPGs even if they peripherally (or even primarily, in Tenkar's case) talk about them sometimes.