Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 08, 2021, 03:15:10 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 03:10:07 PM

Quote from: SHARK on September 08, 2021, 03:03:52 PM
Greetings!

Geesus. All the whining cunts. Ocule should make more lists calling out the cock-sucking Liberal Marxists.

Just so the little bitches can cry and snivel some more.

Fucking morons. How many times doe it need to be explained to you? The List doesn't "Cancel" anyone. It doesn't tell anyone not to buy from X company. It simply provides a listing of companies and how political or not--they have been in marketing their games.

That is nothing like the Cancel Lists that the fucking SJW's have made for years.

So, no hypocrisy at all.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Your kind always lies and should never be believed.

Your kind? That's a bit presumptuous, and what might be meant by that? Particularly the gross generalization

Did you miss "use the tactics of the enemy against them" that has been going on for many, many pages?

Oh, fuck OFF with you, HappyDerp, you pussy.

This is exactly what I read about a while back. When non/anti-SJWs starting pulling out the same tools to whack SJW knuckles, expect the infiltrators and quislings to clutch their pearls and cry about how terrible it is when we do it.

Quote from: Ocule on September 08, 2021, 03:03:19 PM
Reluctance is justified, because of one time he went full Karen? Fuckin please. I've tried to be as impartial is possible, i'm still human. And the only reason I even kept up a red category is because it seemed people here believed it was helpful. Are you just trying to be contrarian or do you have a point?

I think theres some justification to put Eric in the yellow so that customers know that he wrote S&W continual light and he did take part in censorship once.

Also lets keep on topic. You can go over "Your kinds" in a political thread.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 08, 2021, 03:16:50 PM
Oh, fuck OFF with you, HappyDerp, you pussy.

This is exactly what I read about a while back. When non/anti-SJWs starting pulling out the same tools to whack SJW knuckles, expect the infiltrators and quislings to clutch their pearls and cry about how terrible it is when we do it.

He took Projection for $100.

Quote from: Torque2100 on September 08, 2021, 03:08:19 PM
Kind of impressed I wasn't banned for my last post.

In any case, I have really soured on this "list."  The rhetoric surrounding it is just ridiculous and hyperbolic. These are RPG designers we are discussing.  They are not the Khmer Rouge. That's just as ridiculous and hurtful as when they call someone a "Nazi."

I think the best approach is to just play the games that excite our imaginations and not worry about the High School popularity games or who's being a prick to whom on Twitter.

You're never going to "win" the KulturKampf. It's a fools errand and a waste of time an energy.

Spend that time, energy and money on things that make you happy.

I'm not shocked you weren't banned, and I agree to an extent. I see the list as less of a boycott list, which is how some are seeing it, and more of a "think before you act". Hell, I could even see it as a way to see if people actually do change (as per the Redemption through the OSR) or if people just continue off the deep end on either side and purity spiral out of control.

Does this warrant Mr. Wick being on the list? He's wanting it, and I think he deserves it. He has a history of speaking up on behalf of marginalized people, and making that a big part of the products he produces.

He frequently speaks out about many of the things that this list supports in their green category, and he puts those ideals in his games.

His most current works are 7th Sea, which are being put out by Chaosium, and most of the other products that he's worked on are already in the red or yellow sections.

And if you want to see exactly what he said, here's his video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shc-APo2XoU

Quote from: Torque2100 on September 08, 2021, 03:08:19 PM
Kind of impressed I wasn't banned for my last post.

In any case, I have really soured on this "list."  The rhetoric surrounding it is just ridiculous and hyperbolic. These are RPG designers we are discussing.  They are not the Khmer Rouge. That's just as ridiculous and hurtful as when they call someone a "Nazi."

I think the best approach is to just play the games that excite our imaginations and not worry about the High School popularity games or who's being a prick to whom on Twitter.

You're never going to "win" the KulturKampf. It's a fools errand and a waste of time an energy.

Spend that time, energy and money on things that make you happy.

(puts on sunglasses and fingerguns) THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG, KIDDO!

Jokes aside, I'm sorry that you don't like it. But there's a saying: politics is downstream from culture. And the left has been shitting up the culture for quite a while. You want to sit on your mountaintop, fine... but the culture commandos won't leave you alone. They literally can't. You will be made to care. You will be forced to genuflect. Or else.

And if you're thinking I'm overselling this, that's fair -- but before you commit to that stance, consider the problems with payment processors deciding 'we don't want to do business with X' for arbitrary or downright bizarre reasons. Consider how Parler basically got prison-shanked. Consider how discussion of certain views and topics on Twitter or Facebook will get you banned or restricted.

You may not be interested in the KulturKampf, but rest assured, it is interested in you.

Tenkar is Red as a Publisher - he has like 5 products on Drive thru RPG one Gold seller.

It is a consumer guide - Blogs shouldn't be on there. IMHO.


FYI all:

One look at Tubesock Army's post history is all you need to know about his true motives for being on this thread (His main jam is Pundit's forum). He's doing a little rule for radicals 101.

He will go over every Green listing: With a Fine. Toothed. Comb. - and look for any reason to have them moved to RED.

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 08, 2021, 02:51:23 PM

The claim is SJWs thrive on hypocrisy and now the jackasses putting this list together are using the tools of the enemy, but I've long known them to be hypocrites and too deluded to recognize it.

No one here is advocating blacklisting or cancelling anyone on the list.

It is simply an informative guide so that people can choose whether or not to give money to gaming companies that hate them.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 08, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
Does this warrant Mr. Wick being on the list? He's wanting it, and I think he deserves it. He has a history of speaking up on behalf of marginalized people, and making that a big part of the products he produces.

He frequently speaks out about many of the things that this list supports in their green category, and he puts those ideals in his games.

His most current works are 7th Sea, which are being put out by Chaosium, and most of the other products that he's worked on are already in the red or yellow sections.

And if you want to see exactly what he said, here's his video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shc-APo2XoU

I mean he just says "oh my game has people of color, so I belong in the enemy list" which is some pretty smooth-brained logic. I'd put him in the green list, he doesn't put his politics in his games, particularly his newer works. Likewise you can have a "genderqueer polyamorous unicorn furry" or whatever you want, just don't push politics in your game or put "if you voted or believe this then you deserve to die or not play my game". Stark difference. That's actually why I was thinking Arc Dream and some others would be yellow, there isn't much politics in the game/company, just the people behind the work are woke idiots. My 2 cents

Edit: I also think he's wrong that it's an enemies list, and that many people have enemies lists, his "side" or whatever included. Once again, it's a think before you buy list

Quote from: brettmb on August 31, 2021, 05:52:49 PM
Stop with the politics and keep to the topic.

This entire post is political. I guess everyone needs more irony in their diet.

Quote from: slocum on September 08, 2021, 03:44:29 PM

Quote from: brettmb on August 31, 2021, 05:52:49 PM
Stop with the politics and keep to the topic.

This entire post is political. I guess everyone needs more irony in their diet.

No you are making it political. Keep on topic.

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 08, 2021, 03:33:18 PM

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 08, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
Does this warrant Mr. Wick being on the list? He's wanting it, and I think he deserves it. He has a history of speaking up on behalf of marginalized people, and making that a big part of the products he produces.

He frequently speaks out about many of the things that this list supports in their green category, and he puts those ideals in his games.

His most current works are 7th Sea, which are being put out by Chaosium, and most of the other products that he's worked on are already in the red or yellow sections.

And if you want to see exactly what he said, here's his video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shc-APo2XoU

I mean he just says "oh my game has people of color, so I belong in the enemy list" which is some pretty smooth-brained logic. I'd put him in the green list, he doesn't put his politics in his games, particularly his newer works. Likewise you can have a "genderqueer polyamorous unicorn furry" or whatever you want, just don't push politics in your game or put "if you voted or believe this then you deserve to die or not play my game". Stark difference. That's actually why I was thinking Arc Dream and some others would be yellow, there isn't much politics in the game/company, just the people behind the work are woke idiots. My 2 cents

Edit: I also think he's wrong that it's an enemies list, and that many people have enemies lists, his "side" or whatever included. Once again, it's a think before you buy list

I mean, he downpayed his support for trans inclusion, and the game he mentioned "Orkworld" is a "Much of Western Civilization is evil" and "what if Orks were really right all along, and had a matriarchal tribal society."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkworld

Elfworld, on the other hand, which over time became Houses of the Blooded also had a very strong political message. (As does 7th Sea if you bother to read it for the subplot, with the secret societies, and the influence of the church of Theah.)

If you think his games warrant Green, then I wonder if you're not just being contrary at this point.

How the Intersectional Marxist gamer Cancel Culture differs from an informational list.

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 08, 2021, 03:47:19 PM

Quote from: PonchoGoblin on September 08, 2021, 03:33:18 PM

Quote from: hoshisabi on September 08, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
Does this warrant Mr. Wick being on the list? He's wanting it, and I think he deserves it. He has a history of speaking up on behalf of marginalized people, and making that a big part of the products he produces.

He frequently speaks out about many of the things that this list supports in their green category, and he puts those ideals in his games.

His most current works are 7th Sea, which are being put out by Chaosium, and most of the other products that he's worked on are already in the red or yellow sections.

And if you want to see exactly what he said, here's his video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shc-APo2XoU

I mean he just says "oh my game has people of color, so I belong in the enemy list" which is some pretty smooth-brained logic. I'd put him in the green list, he doesn't put his politics in his games, particularly his newer works. Likewise you can have a "genderqueer polyamorous unicorn furry" or whatever you want, just don't push politics in your game or put "if you voted or believe this then you deserve to die or not play my game". Stark difference. That's actually why I was thinking Arc Dream and some others would be yellow, there isn't much politics in the game/company, just the people behind the work are woke idiots. My 2 cents

Edit: I also think he's wrong that it's an enemies list, and that many people have enemies lists, his "side" or whatever included. Once again, it's a think before you buy list

I mean, he downpayed his support for trans inclusion, and the game he mentioned "Orkworld" is a "Western Civilization is evil" and "what if Orks were really right all along, and had a matriarchal tribal society."

Elfworld, on the other hand, which over time became Houses of the Blooded is also a very strong political message.

If you think his games warrant Green, then I wonder if you're not just being contrary at this point.

Not being contrarian, honestly just haven't read any of John's work since 7th Sea first edition lol

Quote from: Gagarth on September 08, 2021, 03:48:46 PM
How the Intersectional Marxist gamer Cancel Culture differs from an informational list.
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This is where I really get irritated with a lot of you guys.

I can find a person that supports you that also does things you would find abhorrent. You bundle everyone that disagrees with you into one large category, and take that to too much of an extreme, a form of mental illness.

I can agree with many people on SOME points and disagree with either how they display them, what other points they have, or any combination of anything... And I'm sure you guys do, when you're not intentionally blinding yourself for whatever reason that you do.