Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 16, 2022, 08:46:55 AM
Once again, for those who haven't heard this before:

No one is lining up to play a PC with a crippling disability, barring systems where they take it as a disadvantage to balance out being able to launch fireballs from their eyes.

This. Is. A. Fetish.

If you want to help people that badly, donate to a charity.

I agree with ya Ghostmaker.

I liked Rolemaster's take on this.  With the critical hit table either you adjusted to playing a character with disabilities or you adjusted to rolling up a new character every few adventures.

Quote from: Mishihari on January 29, 2022, 09:14:19 AM
I liked Rolemaster's take on this.  With the critical hit table either you adjusted to playing a character with disabilities or you adjusted to rolling up a new character every few adventures.

Can confirm.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 16, 2022, 05:16:39 PM
deaf superheroes with vibration sense that can perfectly understand speech without looking at someone or listen to music

One wonders what those authors think "hearing" is, if not "vibration sense." If you "sense the vibration of sound waves" with your knees instead of your ears, it's still "hearing".

Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.

Exactly how much fetishizing of disabilities is healthy?

The point of this product is that being "disabled" is inherently heroic. And you'd better not be the first to stop applauding.

Quote from: dkabq on January 29, 2022, 10:12:13 AM

Quote from: Mishihari on January 29, 2022, 09:14:19 AM
I liked Rolemaster's take on this.  With the critical hit table either you adjusted to playing a character with disabilities or you adjusted to rolling up a new character every few adventures.

Can confirm.

Yeah, we played several years of Rolemaster and never had a character make it past 7th level (maybe even 5th... It's been a while...)

Quote from: Zalman on January 29, 2022, 12:04:00 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 16, 2022, 05:16:39 PM
deaf superheroes with vibration sense that can perfectly understand speech without looking at someone or listen to music

One wonders what those authors think "hearing" is, if not "vibration sense." If you "sense the vibration of sound waves" with your knees instead of your ears, it's still "hearing".

Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.

Exactly how much fetishizing of disabilities is healthy?

I'd say obsession is the dividing line

Quote from: RandyB on January 29, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
The point of this product is that being "disabled" is inherently heroic. And you'd better not be the first to stop applauding.

This is proof that people have taken up causes, because they want to be a hero to someone out there; even if only in their own imaginations.

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 29, 2022, 01:47:29 PM

Quote from: RandyB on January 29, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
The point of this product is that being "disabled" is inherently heroic. And you'd better not be the first to stop applauding.

This is proof that people have taken up causes, because they want to be a hero to someone out there; even if only in their own imaginations.

Yep.

It's a lot easier to try and browbeat people into "accepting" disability than it is to actually, you know, fix the disability. This doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a villain.

Greetings!

In my campaigns, the world is a harsh and brutal place. Disabled people are sent to live in isolation in special communes for disabled people and Lepers. 50% of the time, disabled people die an early, grim death. Those that survive eke out a blasted existence living in isolation and poverty.

I also have insane asylums where disabled people and crazies of all kinds are experimented on by elite doctors, and big-tittied nurses. Of course, such insane asylums are places of research and science! They do what they do for the "Good of Society". Lots of crazy surgeries, unusual drug therapies, and breeding experiments going on all the time.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Zalman on January 29, 2022, 12:04:00 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 16, 2022, 05:16:39 PM
deaf superheroes with vibration sense that can perfectly understand speech without looking at someone or listen to music

One wonders what those authors think "hearing" is, if not "vibration sense." If you "sense the vibration of sound waves" with your knees instead of your ears, it's still "hearing".

Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.

Exactly how much fetishizing of disabilities is healthy?

1: With the advent of Covid and masks I found out the hard way that I've been suplementing my lack of hearing by reading lips. With the masks on its harder to parse out whats being said. Not helped by the slight muffling of voices anyhow. I also pick up on ground vibrations but seems more an annoyance than a boon.

For anyone born with a handicap, and some who have had one inflicted on them for a long enough time, we tend to develop some sort of adaption to the problem. Like reading lips, hearing, smell, whatever. And no two seem to adapt exactly the same. People love to bitch incessantly about Daredevil. But he started off as just a magnification of existing adaptations like heightened sense of touch and other tricks. Eventually though getting ramped up to abserd levels. Depending on the writer.

2: None really. But I think some are just fantasizing disabilities rather than fetishing them. Then there are the scum who just want a free meal ticket by pretending. Which makes out lives even more of a hell when trying to get assistance of any sort. This is not a new thing either unfortunately as every iteration of the SJW cult predates on us sooner or later.

Quote from: RandyB on January 29, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
The point of this product is that being "disabled" is inherently heroic. And you'd better not be the first to stop applauding.

That is nothing new and goes back centuries in legends and life. Mainly because theres always going to be some disabled individuals who rise up to do incredible things. Not everyone can of course. But the SJW cult loves to say otherwise.

They take sound advice. That no matter your condition you just might find something you excel at. And pervert and twist it into something harmful. "You can do Anything!".

Whatever floats 'yer boat of course. Personally, I wouldn't touch this with a prosthetic hand. If I was in a wheel chair I might roll over it, however. Of course, I jest...

That said, seems like a lot of minutia for a concept that could easily be hashed out between a player and GM. I've yet to come across a person who actually wants to play a cripple, or some such. 99.99999% of folks seem to want to play a better, or more competent version of themselves.

But, yeah... Knock yourself out and have a ball with it, if that's your bag. But 'em... Count me out, and just don't bring it to my table, or any other 5e product for that matter.

It's a fucking game, you're not changing the world (the real one) or doing anything heroic by publishing your virtue signaling fetishist shit.