This was pushed to me as an ad while I was watching Pundit's "OSR Magical Practices" video -- oh sweet irony.
Limitless Heroics: Better worlds via Dice & Disabilities 5e
Comprehensive game mechanics for including Characters with Disabilities, Mental Illness, and Neurodivergence in Fifth Edition
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wyrmworkspublishing/limitless-heroics-better-worlds-via-dice-and-disabilities-5e?ref=6u86me&gclid=Cj0KCQiAoY-PBhCNARIsABcz772adWRcgZ6ebpKNaB36OVoz3JdwNLHx7MPPKXeQW5PT2vwMQEwUtRIaAopqEALw_wcB
It's an interesting juxtaposition of this and the 5e chargin methods that create above-average PCs.
And not that I am against a player playing a PC with a disability or diminished capacity in some regard. That said, if a player so chooses, the difficulties of those disabilities will be imposed on their PC. While it would be possible to offset them by magical means, it would be at great cost. Not something that a 1st level PC is going to have access to.
As always, no wrongbadfun, but not my cuppa.
I was OK with the features, and could sorta see this working as a valid RPG product (characters DO develop disabilities as a result of play sometimes, and they can serve as quirky character traits as well), till I got to the presumed "Real World Benefits" nonsense.
There's NO evidence that any of this stuff serves disabled people in any meaningful way, that they've been dying to play disabled characters all these years, but just couldn't, or that including this shit (which is NOT new; character disabilities have been around in RPGs for DECADES) will somehow bring greater acceptance and awareness of disabled people, or validate their existence somehow, because someone made an RPG product about extensive lists of character disabilities. And this will "teach" those game companies or some shit. Also: by backing this product you'll will make a difference in the world! Like you're donating to some disabled children's charity or something.
This shit is just asserted into existence, and if you see through the bullshit then you're obviously the bad guy, cuz how dare you hate on disabled people, you ableist bastard?!?
Once again, for those who haven't heard this before:
No one is lining up to play a PC with a crippling disability, barring systems where they take it as a disadvantage to balance out being able to launch fireballs from their eyes.
This. Is. A. Fetish.
If you want to help people that badly, donate to a charity.
Very.
The only reason I and a few others play out characters as likewise disabled is because either we have no frame of refference for "normal" and its just a tad uncomfortable. Or its what we are used to and why not play what you know? Maybe even both.
I actually surprised some professional game designers way back with having rules for various handicaps in my book. Why are they there? For players that want a challenge, and I did warn em that the more severe, the more its going to cause problems sooner or later, usually sooner. For players that are like me and dont quite feel comfortable playing some sense or ability we've never experienced. And for the rare few that just have a wild character idea that this fits.
But every iteration of this SJW disease has had those who either all but fetishize being disabled. Or romanticize it. Or think we should be put in our place and never seek cures or in the more loony fringe cases - not even seek workarounds. Or all to often are just trying to cash in at our expense.
The ones that romanticize being disabled I have alot less problem with really as often its just people trying to see the silver lining of the bad hand that has been dealt someone. Honestly nothing wrong with that and its something I've pep-talked others about before. Just dont go overboard ok?
As for the disabilities 5e thing... The timing and wording and presentation make me very suspicious right out the gate. On the other hand their example page says "Dont Force It" which is a good sign. I think their logic is a little off on finding cures, and uses congenital disabilities as a "proof".
Overall it could be an honest try at doing a gurps-esque laundry list of things characters might suffer from.
But personally I want to see how they address, or don't, the more pressing problem of what to do with characters that gain disabilities through accident. This is a nigh totally different problem on several levels.
Addendum: Another reason stuff like this can be useful is for NPCs. Especially if theres some pointers for DMs on how to play these things. Which is actually something my book lacked as it just never occurred to me that people would not know these things.
Omega puts it very well. Now here's my contribution.
Speaking as someone who has multiple disabilities, one of which would be fatal if not for modern medicine, disabilities are... complicated. Many disabilities, like that fatal one I have, are invisible and you wouldn't know I had it unless you read my medical history.
Ableism is a very complicated issue. The SJWs, as they are wont, do nothing to actually fix it and just make things worse while profiting off human suffering. What makes things difficult is that there are numerous disabilities, and disabled and able-bodied people have different frames of reference that makes it difficult to understand each other.
If there was a cure for my disabilities, then I would take it in a heartbeat. Not just so that I can survive without medical assistance, but just to fit in with the majority and not feel like a freak. (And the entire time I would secretly resent them for not liking the real me.) Other people with disabilities feel completely different.
And other times there is the Ashley Treatment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Treatment). Parents sterilized their effectively braindead child, meaning that when (not if) she is sexually abused by a future caregiver, nobody will be the wiser. The only reason I would ever advocate curing disabled people against their will would be to protect them from that kind of abuse, or at least let them get bloody revenge on their abusers.
Don't even get me started on disabled superheroes. Most of the time they're effectively cured of their disability (e.g. a girl in a wheelchair bonding to a symbiote that can walk for her, professor X riding a hovercraft) or have other senses trivially compensate (e.g. blind superheroes with perfect echolocation, deaf superheroes with vibration sense that can perfectly understand speech without looking at someone or listen to music, etc).
Representation typically isn't done for the sake of disabled people (the exception being when disabled actors et al are employed for the production, so they're financially benefitting) but for white knights to virtue signal how progressive they are. The irony is that often disabled people can't even appreciate the full scope of the production anyway because it is ultimately made by and for those who aren't disabled. Media made by and for the disabled is... well, Hollywood obviously isn't investing in it with things like silent movies for the deaf, audio dramas for the blind, or acting intended to be enjoyed by the socially blind, so we know Hollywood doesn't really give a flying fuck.
And this is just going to get worse once we do develop practical "cures" for people lacking particular senses, because this will interact in weird ways with giving new senses to able-bodied people. Humans can't normally see ultraviolet light, but a bionic implant might give you the ability to. Wouldn't a person with ultraviolet vision be considered more able-bodied than other people? What about effective telepathy via internal radio transceiver? Able-bodied people would be effectively deaf compared to radio-talkers. Artists with these new senses will naturally produce art that only people with those senses can fully appreciate. Ultrasonic symphonies, ultraviolet paintings, whatever only people whose primarily sensory modalities are sonar and electroreception would appreciate. Companies will discriminate against disabled applicants who refuse to get implants unless they're legally forced not to. You won't even be allowed to retire anymore if you can afford life extension treatments and there aren't enough young workers to replace you due to our projected falling population.
The SJW-made cyberpunk games completely miss this. They demonize bioconservatives (i.e. people who are severely socially/medically disabled in such a setting) while treating disability as a fashion accessory.
If we can't sort this shit out now, then we're screwed once our current cyberpunk dystopia actually develops the "cyber" part to match our fiction.
So whoever wrote that book can kindly go to hell.
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.
Misread the title as Limited Heroics. Subtitle confirmed bias.
I think last nights Inappropriate Characters gave a boost to the kickstarter. It's like the sjdubs that were watching went "I'm gonna throw my hard earned money (or mommy and daddy's hard earned money) at something that will never see table play just to spite Pundit and Co."
As someone who tends to enforce 3d6 in order, I have seen a lot of PCs with disabilities and/or diminished capacity over the years.
While perhaps well-meaning*, the kickstarter proposes the product as potentially world-changing, which indicates a certain naiveté.
On a wider note, as others have said, there is a trend to fetishize disability-and any abnormality, really-which is slightly disturbing.
*It could also be a completely cynical move to get money from slacktivists.
If it helps you make villains for your game like Sand Dan Glokta from Joe Abercrombie's First Law series I'm all for it.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 16, 2022, 05:16:39 PM
Don't even get me started on disabled superheroes. Most of the time they're effectively cured of their disability (e.g. a girl in a wheelchair bonding to a symbiote that can walk for her, professor X riding a hovercraft) or have other senses trivially compensate (e.g. blind superheroes with perfect echolocation, deaf superheroes with vibration sense that can perfectly understand speech without looking at someone or listen to music, etc).
Thing is. More than a few superheroes with disabilities got their powers or widgets trying to find cures or workarounds. Or were selected to have the whatever because they were disabled. This very mirrors real world developments. People have been coming up with some ingenious solutions, or even just simple workarounds for a long long time.
One example that always impressed me from real life was Jay J. Armes. Who lost both hands in an accident and went on to become a private investigator with various trick prosthetic hands. And as a teen after the accident apparently crafted simple prosthetics to participate in school sports.
(https://alchetron.com/cdn/jay-j-armes-74dded3c-ddde-49b3-8f7e-2a8990d4a5e-resize-750.png)
Others like say Daredevil are just amplifications of existing things and originally he was not as over the top as many current iterations show him. And his powers can be turned against him. As for Professor X. For the majority of his career he has been in a relatively normal wheelchair and spent 99% of his time back at base because a wheelchair in the X-Men's line of work is a liability. Or worse. Take note that in the new x-men movies they had him not handicapped for a fair portion. Whereas in the original movies he is sidelined pretty much every movie because hes that vulnerable.
Sometimes a power or disability spark a character idea.
But now alot of these characters have zero nuance or drawback more oft than not. Daredevil being a good example if this. Theres several others. Sometimes its just that the powers really do provide a sort of cure. Nothing more to it than that. As noted in another thread on this. One of the playtesters for my RPG way back created a character who had lost both arms and legs and could only move via telekinesis. The character could move around and also handle objects with their powers. But if they for whatever reason blew off all their energy they were totally helpless.
But more often now a disabled character is disabled just to have a disabled character. A check box on the SJW list.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.
Some here treat any sort of RPing the disabled as verboten unfortunately. And a few village idiots here push that disabled players should not be allowed to play disabled characters.
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on January 17, 2022, 03:05:09 PM
I think last nights Inappropriate Characters gave a boost to the kickstarter. It's like the sjdubs that were watching went "I'm gonna throw my hard earned money (or mommy and daddy's hard earned money) at something that will never see table play just to spite Pundit and Co."
I have said this so many times. Pundit is these woke RPGs best advertiser.
Cyborgs are apparently considered disability representation now, but if I understand correctly only if they got their bionics as a result of congenital conditions or violent accidents.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 19, 2022, 12:04:43 PM
Cyborgs are apparently considered disability representation now, but if I understand correctly only if they got their bionics as a result of congenital conditions or violent accidents.
Remember. Its bad only till these cultists want to make buck off it.
Remember kids. Giving Steve Austin new limbs and an eye was being ABELIST! He should have been HAPPY to live the rest of his life in a bed!
Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 16, 2022, 08:46:55 AM
Once again, for those who haven't heard this before:
No one is lining up to play a PC with a crippling disability, barring systems where they take it as a disadvantage to balance out being able to launch fireballs from their eyes.
This. Is. A. Fetish.
If you want to help people that badly, donate to a charity.
I agree with ya Ghostmaker.
I liked Rolemaster's take on this. With the critical hit table either you adjusted to playing a character with disabilities or you adjusted to rolling up a new character every few adventures.
Quote from: Mishihari on January 29, 2022, 09:14:19 AM
I liked Rolemaster's take on this. With the critical hit table either you adjusted to playing a character with disabilities or you adjusted to rolling up a new character every few adventures.
Can confirm.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 16, 2022, 05:16:39 PM
deaf superheroes with vibration sense that can perfectly understand speech without looking at someone or listen to music
One wonders what those authors think "hearing" is, if not "vibration sense." If you "sense the vibration of sound waves" with your knees instead of your ears, it's still "hearing".
Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.
Exactly how much fetishizing of disabilities
is healthy?
The point of this product is that being "disabled" is inherently heroic. And you'd better not be the first to stop applauding.
Quote from: dkabq on January 29, 2022, 10:12:13 AM
Quote from: Mishihari on January 29, 2022, 09:14:19 AM
I liked Rolemaster's take on this. With the critical hit table either you adjusted to playing a character with disabilities or you adjusted to rolling up a new character every few adventures.
Can confirm.
Yeah, we played several years of Rolemaster and never had a character make it past 7th level (maybe even 5th... It's been a while...)
Quote from: Zalman on January 29, 2022, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 16, 2022, 05:16:39 PM
deaf superheroes with vibration sense that can perfectly understand speech without looking at someone or listen to music
One wonders what those authors think "hearing" is, if not "vibration sense." If you "sense the vibration of sound waves" with your knees instead of your ears, it's still "hearing".
Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.
Exactly how much fetishizing of disabilities is healthy?
I'd say obsession is the dividing line
Quote from: RandyB on January 29, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
The point of this product is that being "disabled" is inherently heroic. And you'd better not be the first to stop applauding.
This is proof that people have taken up causes, because they want to be a hero to someone out there; even if only in their own imaginations.
Quote from: Jam The MF on January 29, 2022, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: RandyB on January 29, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
The point of this product is that being "disabled" is inherently heroic. And you'd better not be the first to stop applauding.
This is proof that people have taken up causes, because they want to be a hero to someone out there; even if only in their own imaginations.
Yep.
It's a lot easier to try and browbeat people into "accepting" disability than it is to actually, you know, fix the disability. This doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a villain.
Greetings!
In my campaigns, the world is a harsh and brutal place. Disabled people are sent to live in isolation in special communes for disabled people and Lepers. 50% of the time, disabled people die an early, grim death. Those that survive eke out a blasted existence living in isolation and poverty. ;D
I also have insane asylums where disabled people and crazies of all kinds are experimented on by elite doctors, and big-tittied nurses. Of course, such insane asylums are places of research and science! They do what they do for the "Good of Society". Lots of crazy surgeries, unusual drug therapies, and breeding experiments going on all the time.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Zalman on January 29, 2022, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 16, 2022, 05:16:39 PM
deaf superheroes with vibration sense that can perfectly understand speech without looking at someone or listen to music
One wonders what those authors think "hearing" is, if not "vibration sense." If you "sense the vibration of sound waves" with your knees instead of your ears, it's still "hearing".
Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.
Exactly how much fetishizing of disabilities is healthy?
1: With the advent of Covid and masks I found out the hard way that I've been suplementing my lack of hearing by reading lips. With the masks on its harder to parse out whats being said. Not helped by the slight muffling of voices anyhow. I also pick up on ground vibrations but seems more an annoyance than a boon.
For anyone born with a handicap, and some who have had one inflicted on them for a long enough time, we tend to develop some sort of adaption to the problem. Like reading lips, hearing, smell, whatever. And no two seem to adapt exactly the same. People love to bitch incessantly about Daredevil. But he started off as just a magnification of existing adaptations like heightened sense of touch and other tricks. Eventually though getting ramped up to abserd levels. Depending on the writer.
2: None really. But I think some are just fantasizing disabilities rather than fetishing them. Then there are the scum who just want a free meal ticket by pretending. Which makes out lives even more of a hell when trying to get assistance of any sort. This is not a new thing either unfortunately as every iteration of the SJW cult predates on us sooner or later.
Quote from: RandyB on January 29, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
The point of this product is that being "disabled" is inherently heroic. And you'd better not be the first to stop applauding.
That is nothing new and goes back centuries in legends and life. Mainly because theres always going to be some disabled individuals who rise up to do incredible things. Not everyone can of course. But the SJW cult loves to say otherwise.
They take sound advice. That no matter your condition you just might find something you excel at. And pervert and twist it into something harmful. "You can do Anything!".
Whatever floats 'yer boat of course. Personally, I wouldn't touch this with a prosthetic hand. If I was in a wheel chair I might roll over it, however. Of course, I jest...
That said, seems like a lot of minutia for a concept that could easily be hashed out between a player and GM. I've yet to come across a person who actually wants to play a cripple, or some such. 99.99999% of folks seem to want to play a better, or more competent version of themselves.
But, yeah... Knock yourself out and have a ball with it, if that's your bag. But 'em... Count me out, and just don't bring it to my table, or any other 5e product for that matter. :)
It's a fucking game, you're not changing the world (the real one) or doing anything heroic by publishing your virtue signaling fetishist shit.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 29, 2022, 09:35:06 PM
It's a fucking game, you're not changing the world (the real one) or doing anything heroic by publishing your virtue signaling fetishist shit.
It may not be. The sample text reads more like they just wanted a gurps-like set of rules and here you go. But their wording on the KS page comes across as giving mixed signals. This is one of those "could be fish, could be foul..." sort of things. Could even be both. They have good intentions but was tricked by the SJW cult into thinking their sort of wordage is ok.
And I still question how far they thought this through. The example rules mostly come at this from the "born with" angle. Which is very different from the "inflicted with" angle.
I will make a disabled Hobbit in a wheelchair called Colostomy Baggins. He will take the ring to the Ramps of Mordor and throw it in the fiery chasm from whence the abelist Sauron created it.
Quote from: SHARK on January 29, 2022, 05:31:58 PM
Greetings!
In my campaigns, the world is a harsh and brutal place. Disabled people are sent to live in isolation in special communes for disabled people and Lepers. 50% of the time, disabled people die an early, grim death. Those that survive eke out a blasted existence living in isolation and poverty. ;D
I also have insane asylums where disabled people and crazies of all kinds are experimented on by elite doctors, and big-tittied nurses. Of course, such insane asylums are places of research and science! They do what they do for the "Good of Society". Lots of crazy surgeries, unusual drug therapies, and breeding experiments going on all the time.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Well, if it's for the
Good Of Society (TM), then what sort of horrible, non-progressive person would want to stop it?
Quote from: dkabq on January 16, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
This was pushed to me as an ad while I was watching Pundit's "OSR Magical Practices" video -- oh sweet irony.
Limitless Heroics: Better worlds via Dice & Disabilities 5e
Comprehensive game mechanics for including Characters with Disabilities, Mental Illness, and Neurodivergence in Fifth Edition
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wyrmworkspublishing/limitless-heroics-better-worlds-via-dice-and-disabilities-5e?ref=6u86me&gclid=Cj0KCQiAoY-PBhCNARIsABcz772adWRcgZ6ebpKNaB36OVoz3JdwNLHx7MPPKXeQW5PT2vwMQEwUtRIaAopqEALw_wcB
It's an interesting juxtaposition of this and the 5e chargin methods that create above-average PCs.
And not that I am against a player playing a PC with a disability or diminished capacity in some regard. That said, if a player so chooses, the difficulties of those disabilities will be imposed on their PC. While it would be possible to offset them by magical means, it would be at great cost. Not something that a 1st level PC is going to have access to.
As always, no wrongbadfun, but not my cuppa.
Well, let me look at this.....
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What if you could make the real world better by playing an RPG?!
/DOUBT
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All writers, editors, and artists hired for this book are disabled, neurodivergent, and/or have mental or chronic illness.
I have no doubt that mental illness played a large part in putting this together.
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Book Accessibility
--Dyslexia-friendly layout
--Fully screen reader accessible
--Indexed audio version included with every purchase
Ok, that's cool.
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And those with disabilities now have a way to represent their experience in-game to feel empowered and to help others see them more clearly.
I'm not truly disabled, but I'm near-sighted and I'm getting the early stages of arthritis. If I sit down at a table and get told that my character has to have movement penalties the first few rounds of combat if we're attacked at night, and they have to wear glasses because I do, I'm gonna tell you to fuck the hell off.
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This is a movement.
Limitless Heroics is more than an RPG book. It's a petition. Back this project, and you communicate to every game publisher on earth that disabled people exist and can easily be included in their games, that the customers want that representation, and that accessibility and representation are necessary core features for future products.
Imagine companies and organizations seeing the success of this movement beyond the RPG community and how that would affect their decisions in the future. Imagine how you as RPG players who work in every industry can work for change to overcome ableism because of what you and your players learned while rolling dice at the RPG table.
Once you push us over our goal, and we get this book into your hands, we will make it available through other distributors for a higher price, but the overwhelming success of this campaign will speak volumes to the world, and when you back it, you will forever get to say you were a part of it.
Imagining is what we do best, but we can use fantasy to change reality. Maybe RPGs have some real world magic after all. Back this project now, make it happen, and mark this day on your calendar and social media as the day you helped change the world.
Pledge Tiers....
A grift that promises to sell you the right to Virtue Signal.
Quote from: AtomicPope on February 19, 2022, 12:14:18 AM
I will make a disabled Hobbit in a wheelchair called Colostomy Baggins. He will take the ring to the Ramps of Mordor and throw it in the fiery chasm from whence the abelist Sauron created it.
Sauron's just a bodiless eye, and is thus the winner in the oppression paralymics. Therefore we must pressure the Fellowship to cancel Colostomy!
Quote from: DM_Curt on February 19, 2022, 07:25:00 AM
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This is a movement.
Limitless Heroics is more than an RPG book. It's a petition. Back this project, and you communicate to every game publisher on earth that disabled people exist and can easily be included in their games, that the customers want that representation, and that accessibility and representation are necessary core features for future products.
Imagine companies and organizations seeing the success of this movement beyond the RPG community and how that would affect their decisions in the future. Imagine how you as RPG players who work in every industry can work for change to overcome ableism because of what you and your players learned while rolling dice at the RPG table.
A grift that promises to sell you the right to Virtue Signal.
This is where they pushed me from "huh. Looks sincere if inept." to "uh-huh. Yet another in the ongoing parade of "Lets sucker those dumb cripples" exploitation products. And most damning. Its yet another SJW product to keep us in our place. Cant have their pet cripples thinking they can play real people afterall. Back to your ghettos and act how they want us to act.
Quote from: Omega on January 18, 2022, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 16, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
It's not that characters with disabilities are badwrongfun per se. It's that the "progressives" pushing this shit fetishize disability to an unhealthy degree.
Some here treat any sort of RPing the disabled as verboten unfortunately. And a few village idiots here push that disabled players should not be allowed to play disabled characters.
Citation needed.
Quote from: DM_Curt on February 19, 2022, 07:25:00 AM
Quote from: dkabq on January 16, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
This was pushed to me as an ad while I was watching Pundit's "OSR Magical Practices" video -- oh sweet irony.
Limitless Heroics: Better worlds via Dice & Disabilities 5e
Comprehensive game mechanics for including Characters with Disabilities, Mental Illness, and Neurodivergence in Fifth Edition
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wyrmworkspublishing/limitless-heroics-better-worlds-via-dice-and-disabilities-5e?ref=6u86me&gclid=Cj0KCQiAoY-PBhCNARIsABcz772adWRcgZ6ebpKNaB36OVoz3JdwNLHx7MPPKXeQW5PT2vwMQEwUtRIaAopqEALw_wcB
It's an interesting juxtaposition of this and the 5e chargin methods that create above-average PCs.
And not that I am against a player playing a PC with a disability or diminished capacity in some regard. That said, if a player so chooses, the difficulties of those disabilities will be imposed on their PC. While it would be possible to offset them by magical means, it would be at great cost. Not something that a 1st level PC is going to have access to.
As always, no wrongbadfun, but not my cuppa.
Well, let me look at this.....
Quote
What if you could make the real world better by playing an RPG?!
/DOUBT
Quote
All writers, editors, and artists hired for this book are disabled, neurodivergent, and/or have mental or chronic illness.
I have no doubt that mental illness played a large part in putting this together.
Quote
Book Accessibility
--Dyslexia-friendly layout
--Fully screen reader accessible
--Indexed audio version included with every purchase
Ok, that's cool.
Quote
And those with disabilities now have a way to represent their experience in-game to feel empowered and to help others see them more clearly.
I'm not truly disabled, but I'm near-sighted and I'm getting the early stages of arthritis. If I sit down at a table and get told that my character has to have movement penalties the first few rounds of combat if we're attacked at night, and they have to wear glasses because I do, I'm gonna tell you to fuck the hell off.
Quote
This is a movement.
Limitless Heroics is more than an RPG book. It's a petition. Back this project, and you communicate to every game publisher on earth that disabled people exist and can easily be included in their games, that the customers want that representation, and that accessibility and representation are necessary core features for future products.
Imagine companies and organizations seeing the success of this movement beyond the RPG community and how that would affect their decisions in the future. Imagine how you as RPG players who work in every industry can work for change to overcome ableism because of what you and your players learned while rolling dice at the RPG table.
Once you push us over our goal, and we get this book into your hands, we will make it available through other distributors for a higher price, but the overwhelming success of this campaign will speak volumes to the world, and when you back it, you will forever get to say you were a part of it.
Imagining is what we do best, but we can use fantasy to change reality. Maybe RPGs have some real world magic after all. Back this project now, make it happen, and mark this day on your calendar and social media as the day you helped change the world.
Pledge Tiers....
A grift that promises to sell you the right to Virtue Signal.
You forget they Loooooooooooooooove to self diagnose their neurodivergence & Mental Illness. Now a days it's cool among the SJW cult to claim to be in the spectrum among other things, and to cry when someone talks about finding a cure.
Even at my age and being highly functional I would still take the cure in a heartbeat. Now imagine the parents of children with crippling autism? Wouldn't you want something that could make your child normal?
This, along with everything the SJWs promote is just a virtue signal grift.
The only good things are the accesibility options.
BTW Dyslexia friendly layout? Dafuq is that? My sister IS dislexic and the other kind with numbers? So I'm genuinelly curious.
Imagine if gene editing could remove all disabilities like autism. I remember years ago hearing some dude tell a person calling in who was gay, what they would think if genetic engineering came to a point where no one was ever born gay again. The caller was aghast, and the radio dude even reminded the person that just seconds before they had said they were born that way, did not choose it, and really did not want it. Needless to say the person on the phone was at a complete loss and the conversation ended quickly.
I am not saying being gay is a disability, but if we were able to gene edit, and then everyone was born in the correct body, no mental health problems, no disabilities from birth, etc, what exactly would happen to people like the current crop of woke SJWs?
Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
Imagine if gene editing could remove all disabilities like autism. I remember years ago hearing some dude tell a person calling in who was gay, what they would think if genetic engineering came to a point where no one was ever born gay again. The caller was aghast, and the radio dude even reminded the person that just seconds before they had said they were born that way, did not choose it, and really did not want it. Needless to say the person on the phone was at a complete loss and the conversation ended quickly.
I am not saying being gay is a disability, but if we were able to gene edit, and then everyone was born in the correct body, no mental health problems, no disabilities from birth, etc, what exactly would happen to people like the current crop of woke SJWs?
They would cry genocide.
Really I have seen some idiots comparing suggested cures for disabilities to genocide.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 19, 2022, 05:53:11 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
Imagine if gene editing could remove all disabilities like autism. I remember years ago hearing some dude tell a person calling in who was gay, what they would think if genetic engineering came to a point where no one was ever born gay again. The caller was aghast, and the radio dude even reminded the person that just seconds before they had said they were born that way, did not choose it, and really did not want it. Needless to say the person on the phone was at a complete loss and the conversation ended quickly.
I am not saying being gay is a disability, but if we were able to gene edit, and then everyone was born in the correct body, no mental health problems, no disabilities from birth, etc, what exactly would happen to people like the current crop of woke SJWs?
They would cry genocide.
Really I have seen some idiots comparing suggested cures for disabilities to genocide.
The deaf are notorious about this.
Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?
Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?
No.
My family has a long history of genetic mutations. More than a few causing deformities. Without regular treatments my niece will be a circus freak. My sisters nearly died twice from hers and one of my aunts never got to live at all.
One of my friends has as spent most of their life isolated and unable to eat or even touch most things due to debilitatingly broad, and in some cases lethal, allergic reactions.
Some genes need to be terminated. These are maladies only the insane would embrace or want to prevent others from being cured of.
Quote from: Omega on February 19, 2022, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?
Some genes need to be terminated. These are maladies only the insane would embrace or want to prevent others from being cured of.
How I read oggmash's comment was that "termination of genes" is by the literal definition "genocide", not on whether it is right or wrong. I think the problem is that "genocide" is usually assumed to be about mass murder of people as in the Holocaust, but its literal meaning is open to other interpretations.
I would agree with you that some genes should or must be terminated if the offspring aren't viable, but it is tricky to draw the line. Also, the big question is how one should enforce eliminating those genes.
Quote from: jhkim on February 19, 2022, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: Omega on February 19, 2022, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?
Some genes need to be terminated. These are maladies only the insane would embrace or want to prevent others from being cured of.
How I read oggmash's comment was that "termination of genes" is by the literal definition "genocide", not on whether it is right or wrong. I think the problem is that "genocide" is usually assumed to be about mass murder of people as in the Holocaust, but its literal meaning is open to other interpretations.
I would agree with you that some genes should or must be terminated if the offspring aren't viable, but it is tricky to draw the line. Also, the big question is how one should enforce eliminating those genes.
By curing the mutation that causes them or by gene editing. No one has yet talked of anything else.
But not all birth disabilities ARE genetic, some are like autism, caused (according to the best science so far) by the exposure to higher levels of androgen in the womb. Which causes changes in the brain wiring, not sure how you could cure/prevent that, but if a cure was found tomorrow I would be asking when I can get it.
Quote from: Omega on February 19, 2022, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 07:08:55 PM
Well...it is the termination of specific genes, so taken down to the nitpick...are they right?
No.
My family has a long history of genetic mutations. More than a few causing deformities. Without regular treatments my niece will be a circus freak. My sisters nearly died twice from hers and one of my aunts never got to live at all.
One of my friends has as spent most of their life isolated and unable to eat or even touch most things due to debilitatingly broad, and in some cases lethal, allergic reactions.
Some genes need to be terminated. These are maladies only the insane would embrace or want to prevent others from being cured of.
Even less severe things like the cause of poor vision should be cured if at all possible.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 16, 2022, 08:46:55 AM
This. Is. A. Fetish.
If you want to help people that badly, donate to a charity.
There's a charity to help weirdos with their sick disability fetish?
Do they offer free lobotomies or helicopter rides ala Pinochet?
Quote from: oggsmash on February 19, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
Imagine if gene editing could remove all disabilities like autism. I remember years ago hearing some dude tell a person calling in who was gay, what they would think if genetic engineering came to a point where no one was ever born gay again. The caller was aghast, and the radio dude even reminded the person that just seconds before they had said they were born that way, did not choose it, and really did not want it. Needless to say the person on the phone was at a complete loss and the conversation ended quickly.
I am not saying being gay is a disability, but if we were able to gene edit, and then everyone was born in the correct body, no mental health problems, no disabilities from birth, etc, what exactly would happen to people like the current crop of woke SJWs?
I never liked the "born this way" argument in the first place. I understand it was a way to legitimize being gay by saying it isn't a choice, and we shouldn't stimatize people for things they have no control over.
But the statement begs the question, would it be alright to stigmatize being gay if it were a choice?
My answer would be No. So long as it's between consenting adults, I don't put any stigma on being gay or bi or whatever. Which makes the "born that way" point irrelevant.