Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415032I believe I talked the man out of it, by telling him what that kind of fight would do to him.  And that was my hope, and my intent.  At the same time, I would have watched that argument and enjoyed it.

If you'd said this about ten pages ago, I might have believed it. Sounds awfully out of left field now, though.

QuoteThat thread that got locked?  That was to prevent gravedancing, because Dan didn't deserve that shit.

Oh sure, it was for his own good.  Next you're going to say that they censor reference to theRPGsite over there to protect us from trolling attempts, and censor any reference to me because I wouldn't be there to defend myself from personal attacks.

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Quote from: gleichman;415059Would you expect anything else of him?

All argumentation aside, yes, I expected better from Levi. I'm disappointed.

Quote from: gleichman;415042You know, I don't like Levi's ideas much. He's not just drunk the Kool-Aid, he's taken a bath in it.

But I don't see the crime here after reading the post on the other forum. He expresses the opinion that someone who agrees with him argues well and that he'd enjoy watching him take Pundit apart. So what?

And Pundit would enjoy it as well, he gets to play big shot once again. It's why in his mind this board exists.

While I can well understand how everyone else here doesn't need such a thing taking up board space (if only you could put him on the ignore list, ah wish in one hand and...), I'm afraid it's what you buy into when you post here (and why with very rare exception- I don't).

In my case, at least, its not the attitude itself but the double-standard it represents coming from an RPGnet mod, who goes out of his way to tell people what a hellhole of constant apocalyptic contentless flaming this place is, and who would likely ban someone who was trying a similar stunt say, on therpgsite to go stir up something on rpgnet.

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Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415055Fucking hairy hell.

That bit, the "you'll become a monster", was the whole point.  The rest was just supposed to be lead-in.  Insulting, yeah, and that was dumb, but not that.

And well that could have been the point, it doesn't mean that you didn't claim that it would be fun to see it in the first place. Which was very human all things considered if not saint like.

Why are you trying to run from it? We alll wish ill to our enemies on some level, even if we'd act to prevent from becoming reality when push comes to shove.

Or are you trying for Saint hood? If so, sorry but you're screwed.

Quote from: RPGPundit;415061If you'd said this about ten pages ago, I might have believed it. Sounds awfully out of left field now, though.

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Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;414768I wrote it as a kind of commentary on how twisted this kind of fighting makes us all. - "motivated by puffed-up indignation, raw spite, scorn, and some kind of ideological loyalty" - including me.  As an admission that I'm bent enough to enjoy fighting over the Forge-not-Forge stuff, even revel in it, but not so bent that I can't see how it is shitty, and how it brings us all down.  He decided not to come partly because he read as I wrote it.

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Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;414838My concern, really, is with just how off my judgement of the site has been or become.  Discovering you may be on the back lawn when you thought you were in the arena, and told others "that's the arena; it will make you mean and cruel"? Not so funny.

You aren't actually reading me, are you?

Quote from: Benoist;415062All argumentation aside, yes, I expected better from Levi. I'm disappointed.

QFT.

Quote from: Benoist;415062All argumentation aside, yes, I expected better from Levi. I'm disappointed.

I expect people to defend that which they are a part of, and return fire against that which attacks it. Call me crazy.

And considering the bile Pundit launches that way, just about anything Levi could do would be minor in return. Few people could lower themselves so much without getting sick.

Quote from: Dan Davenport;415048First of all, I'm certainly flattered.

And I'll definitely consider your offer. Having had my access to a large swath of RPGnet cut off, I admit that I'm disinclined to continue offering my services as a reviewer there.

(I can't believe I've been writing reviews since before there were forums of any kind there.)

Yes, I'd have to write quite a lot of reviews to catch up to your record.

Anyways, why not publish those rpgnet reviews you have left to go on here too? Is there an exclusivity clause or something? Would any publisher seriously say "no" if you said "would you like me to post it at this other forum where another 3300 hardcore gamers hang out and that gets well over 750k hits a month?"

Do the groundwork for a "transition" phase, so that those publishers who send you stuff will get comfortable with the place and knowing it will be a good place for your reviews to be.

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Quote from: gleichman;415067I expect people to defend that which they are a part of, and return fire against that which attacks it. Call me crazy.

OK. That makes me want to plug the fact that I'm part of this site here, the RPG Site. And I'm kind of tired to see people not only bitching that the place is a shithole while it isn't, but bitching about it on say, RPGnet, Story Game, Circus Maximus or whatnot, and then coming in here, with their buddies or not, to create the very shitstorms they are bitching about on other sites, to then leave and come back six months late to trigger another shitstorm and go "See? This place is a shithole!!!"

That infuriates me. Levi's FAR from the only one doing this. And this makes me want to return fire, and defend the RPG Site.

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I've given you more than a fake online persona deserves by telling you to your face what my opinion is of your so called 'victory'. You can spin all you wish, but the facts remain.

Going round and round is victory for you no matter what. The joke that you are is actually your goal afterall. So I leave you to it. I can't put you in the ignore list- but I can ignore you.


The only pity in all this, is that you're just disappear when the wheel comes back to you and I'll never know the nature of the payback. But I have complete faith that it's coming.


-Oh, and you can keep your thousands of dollas of stuff. You couldn't pay me to waste the time reading anything you've reviewed.

The thing is, I don't really think that theRPGsite needs defending. All it needs is promoting.  The slander against the site that you see the modclique spew about this site is one-half of an overall strategy to minimize theRPGsite's impact on their control over rpgnet, but the second and more important half is trying to limit people's actual attention to it.  If you get people coming here spending time at our site, they'll see for themselves exactly what we're like.

Personally, I would much rather people went around showing people a link to our forum, or to conversations on our forum, than going out to other forums with guns ablazing trying to act like suicide bombers. No offense.

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Quote from: Benoist;415071That infuriates me. Levi's FAR from the only one doing this. And this makes me want to return fire, and defend the RPG Site.

Fair enough.

But really, if not for Pundit trashing RPGNet every chance he gets- I doubt the issue would have even come up. By defending theRPGsite- you're defending Pundit and his actions by extension.

I don't know about you- but I'd be more concerned about that then I am about post of Levi's I've read.

Quote from: gleichman;415074I've given you more than a fake online persona deserves by telling you to your face what my opinion is of your so called 'victory'. You can spin all you wish, but the facts remain.

Going round and round on furthera victory for you no matter what. The joke that you are is actually your goal afterall. So I leave you to it. I can't put you in the ignore list- but I can ignore you.


The only pity in all this, is that you're just disappear when the wheel comes back to you and I'll never know the nature of the payback. But I have complete faith that it's coming.

People have been predicting my abject failure for a long time now, Gleichman. You're boring me, your rant is nothing new.  Though the buddhist in me chuckles at your esoteric way of putting it.

Quote-Oh, and you can keep your thousands of dollas of stuff. You couldn't pay me to waste the time reading anything you've reviewed.

Oh come now. We both know that you've already looked. You wouldn't be able to resist.  At the end of the day, you're all the same. Your type is predictable.  

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Quote from: Zachary The First;415033Dan is one of the best RPG reviewers out there, hands down.  :hatsoff:

Thank you kindly, Zach.

Quote from: gleichman;415064Or are you trying for Saint hood? If so, sorry but you're screwed.

When I got here, I was getting ready to laugh at the kind of large flaming argument I'm used to arriving here in the middle of.

When a bunch of people suddenly got calm and reasonable at me, I was kind of baffled.  But, y'know, whatever; I ran into the guy I expected to see fighting elsewhere, and had a word with him to let him know what he was getting into.

Then Pseudo dared me to just go look at the forum, fairly and as it actually is, I was a little dismayed, and felt crappy about insulting the place purely based on the huge fights I've been in and the short threads I've been disappointed by.

At the same time, there have been all these comments that I was trying to incite Teataine to come over here for the fight that I, yes, would have enjoyed, but absolutely wanted him to avoid, because it'd end up sucking for him.  This, over a post I originally thought had been all clever and shit, while giving a guy good advice about keeping away.  And that was a good case on the insults; so I apologized.  But incitement?  Pfft; I was warning him off; that's silly.

Now, someone who, while he doesn't like me, has been square with me for years, and has no horse in the race, tells me that, no, the regulars are right, it really does look like I was trying to get him to come here?

...Bah.