Quote from: gleichman;415008...OSR ... the way people are looking at it now is a completely different world from what it was then.

Honestly, I think this is truly a large part of the whole thing for a bunch of folks. I know it is for me.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415012Sadly, my flaming entrance to this thread, and my nasty portrayal of this forum elsewhere, have led to a false and pretty terrible read of a post I made on Story-Games.  Not that this is a shock; nobody here really has any damn reason to believe me at all.

So, well, it's not likely we could have a discussion without a "Fuck you, man" every third post.  Not fun.

What OHT said, plus I honestly think that are still not giving this place a fair shake. I think even now you might be surprised. I could be wrong, it's happened before, but obviously I don't currently think I am.

Quote from: Zachary The First;415011I can't recall any big threads on it, no.  People talk a lot here about the OSR games and 4e, but it's trench warfare in large parts right now.

Each site has it character, and it figures that HERO wouldn't have much impact here.

QuoteI'm not sure I get being a non-gamer and being an admin on a gaming forum.  I'm trying to imagine what motives I would have for being the admin of a forum for a hobby I have zero interest in, say, fly fishing or horticulture. Strange.

In concept, it would remove conflict of interest (i.e. not caring about something means you don't take sides).

But I'm with you on not understanding why someone would do it on a hobby forum. Unless the attraction is being a member of the moderation cliche- which undermines the original advantage.

Quote from: gleichman;415023... the attraction is being a member of the moderation cliche- which undermines the original advantage.

My money is here.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415012So, well, it's not likely we could have a discussion without a "Fuck you, man" every third post.  Not fun.

Not from me. But very well.

I do have to say that Nina not allowing any commentary in my topic ban thread was remarkably cowardly. I'd have liked to have hashed this out there.

Quote from: gleichman;415008Ah the OSR, some of what I consider the best people online love it.

I'm with you. I live it when it was new, and the way people are looking at it now is a completely different world from what it was then.

I often get that sense, but to me it's not a problem. I am not old enough to have lived the truly 'old days' but I currently look at playing 'old school' as a felicitous combination of the good aspects of my early Basic and AD&D campaigns, instinctual familiarity with the relatively simple rules, and what I feel like I've learned from an extra 20 years of playing. "New school" games have given me a lot to go on, too. It's about what's working best for a given group of players at a certain period of time.

But then, my stone age level of mathematical ability precludes me from having good results with many games. For example, HERO. Start a thread, though; not everyone pursued an ill-advised humanities degree.

Quote from: Sigmund;415019Honestly, I think this is truly a large part of the whole thing for a bunch of folks. I know it is for me.

Interesting idea, a sort of returning to one's youth and doing it right this time perhaps. A fantasy for a fantasy game as it were.

Thanks, that's actually a rather cool insight.

Quote from: Dan Davenport;414922I appreciate that, Kyle. I have to confess, though, that Tangency tended to bring out my combative side more often than I'd like. I guess there's only so many topics a guy can see describing how much his kind sucks before blowing a gasket.



Probably not, although I always say that the right thing to do depends upon the effect you want. I enforce pretty strict rules in #rpgnet chat, and the locals seem to like it that way. If you enjoy cussing at the top of your virtual lungs, though, you probably won't.

The problem I see with the moderation at RPGnet is the fact that it's inconsistent. Just look at the topics on any given day in Tangency slamming anyone to the right of Michael Moore, none of which are considered inflammatory. Then watch what happens when someone dares to post something equivalent from a different perspective. The goal of moderation is peace, not fairness -- essentially, because the Left dominates Tangency, it's mob rule. The Left is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.

That said, I hate to see Levi dogpiled here. In my experience, he really is a good guy.

Hi Dan.. nice to see you here!

You know, if you hang around, and started posting Reviews here instead of on RPG.net, there would officially be no contest between the two offerings in the relative sites.  You and I are probably the two most significant reviewers out there, and if we were on the same site it would be like,  the Dream Team for reviews around here.

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Quote from: One Horse Town;415014Come on Levi. You wanted to see a bun fight here not 48 hours ago.

I believe I talked the man out of it, by telling him what that kind of fight would do to him.  And that was my hope, and my intent.  At the same time, I would have watched that argument and enjoyed it.

Both those things are true.  I don't know if you'll ever get how that can be so, but it is.

Quote from: One Horse Town;415014The least you can do is satifsy our curiosity.

I will tell you this:

Nina does game.  Not regularly, no, but she does.  She's also someone I have never found to be anything less than warm and pleasant, outside of actually posting in red.  I believe she keeps the mod calls cool because it gets results; she's a volunteer doing a job, and it helps.  From every interaction I've ever had with her, I consider her a better person than I am.

That thread that got locked?  That was to prevent gravedancing, because Dan didn't deserve that shit.

Dan is one of the best RPG reviewers out there, hands down.  :hatsoff:

Quote from: Sigmund;415019Honestly, I think this is truly a large part of the whole thing for a bunch of folks. I know it is for me.

Quote from: gleichman;415029Interesting idea, a sort of returning to one's youth and doing it right this time perhaps. A fantasy for a fantasy game as it were.

Thanks, that's actually a rather cool insight.

Makes decent sense to me. I wouldn't necessarily say I was playing D&D "wrong" (at least, past about age 10 or so) but you can learn, have new ideas, enjoy things more being arguably more "grown-up," etc.

May also be that "returning to one's youth" or indulging the "fantasy for a fantasy game" helps form a creative comfort zone to work within. I often feel that way.

Quote from: Imperator;414923Show me proof of the existance of that war. There is no such a ar, because playing D&D 4e doesn't preclude you from playing any other game. I'm running RuneQuest and CoC thse days, but I also run indie games. And it's the same for a lot of people who don't know and don't care about a war that does not exist. You are the one making the assertion that there is a war, the burden of the proof is on you.

Actually, now, Ron Edwards has finally admitted that there was a war, so that old argument is going to have to be rewritten by all you historical revisionists out there.

QuoteThe OSR is another blip on the radar, just as the Forge, RPG.net and this place are. Compared to the RPGA, the OSR is a wart. And then, the RPGA is a small fraction of the total number of gamers out there.

Yes, and? Numbers does not equal influence, necessarily. The vast majority of gamers have never even heard of the OSR, Forge, RPGsite, rpgnet, etc. etc., that's absolutely true.  But they also have no influence in what is going on at the design level; that vast majority are purely consumers.

QuoteSo the OSR has exactly zero influence.

Right... which is why the newest edition of D&D has a cover that is an absolute exact copy of a version of D&D that came out almost 30 years ago, right?
Now, I'm not saying that JRients or Raggi or the rest were actually directly responsible for that, or that I was, but that it represents the overall direction that gaming is going in, manifested AND given momentum by things like my writing and the OSR as a movement.

I was wondering where you were days ago, when all the other pundit-haters came along to weep bitter tears and cry about how irrelevant I am again.  Geez, man, you're way behind, what happened? Thanks though, I'll consider your bitter tears my delicious cake after the meal.

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Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415032I will tell you this:

Nina does game.  Not regularly, no, but she does.

Really? What games? Seriously, no snark intended -- if she games now, this is a new development. She made it plain in the past that she was not a gamer. I know she tried one game back at GenCon '05, IIRC, and felt that it was a disaster.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415032She's also someone I have never found to be anything less than warm and pleasant, outside of actually posting in red.  I believe she keeps the mod calls cool because it gets results; she's a volunteer doing a job, and it helps.  From every interaction I've ever had with her, I consider her a better person than I am.

Having met her in person, I certainly wouldn't argue that she's a good person, even if I emphatically disagree with her interpretations of RPGnet rules.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415032That thread that got locked?  That was to prevent gravedancing, dammit, because Dan didn't deserve that shit.

I'd have preferred the chance to defend myself. Given the way things turned out, you'll have to forgive me if I find it hard to believe that the lock was out of kindness.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415032I believe I talked the man out of it, by telling him what that kind of fight would do to him.  And that was my hope, and my intent.  At the same time, I would have watched that argument and enjoyed it.

So you flip-flop, now? You recognized the facts earlier, but now, you were merely trying to dissuade him from taking on the RPG Site? And you'd still have watched and enjoyed it?

I mean. Wow. You really must be thinking we're morons.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415032she's a volunteer doing a job

Everyone's a volunteer. The only place i see it used as an excuse is at RPGnet.