Quote from: thedungeondelver;448701Every time I see someone trot out the ONE TRUE WAYISM! strawman, I tune out immediately.  It's shrill, it's meaningless and ultimately if I were to engage on that level I could use the exact same argument back.  Tell me I'm doing it wrong by doing it all mean and nasty and not having any rounded corners and whiffle-weapon rules is equally meaningless.  So we have nothing further to discuss.

Quote from: misterguignol;448679Rather, I've seen a similar attitude promoted by others (in this very thread, in fact) that adding any benefits to characters is somehow "cheating," "power-gaming," or "playing superheroes instead of D&D."

Which is preposterous One True Wayism.

Quote from: boulet;448703It would be One True Wayism if it was an attitude applied to any version of D&D and possible clones. But here the context is LotFP whose purpose isn't to support every flavors and game styles that could be imagined. LotFP offers a type of fantasy where monsters are unique and rare, and adventurer's life hangs to a thread. I don't think expandable and harmless kobolds match LotFP's premise for instance. I guess it's what Benoist was trying to make you realize: sure you can house rule LotFP at your leisure for any reason you may have, but it questions why you chose this game in the first place. I believe Benoist is right in that whiff factor and fragile PCs are part of the LotFP Weird Fantasy recipe.

Quote from: Benoist;448710The problem with that last post buddy is that by that token, anyone who has an opinion diverging from yours is automatically wrong (which itself isn't so far from the One True Wayism you decry), and worse, you consider them to obviously have no idea what they're talking about ("they haven't even read Weird fiction. I have!").

That way lies stubborn idiocy.

Quote from: misterguignol;448711So, are you saying that people haven't been telling me that I'm Doin' It Wrong?

Quote from: Benoist;448714:rolleyes:

Nope. I'm trying to tell you that you might consider the possibility you are indeed getting it wrong instead of shielding yourself with bullshit catch phrases like "one-true-wayism."

Quote from: misterguignol;448715Wait, so you're saying that I'm Not Doin' It Wrong but should consider that I'm Doin' It Wrong?

Quote from: Benoist;448716Or... I could actually be answering your question:

"So, are you saying that people haven't been telling me that I'm Doin' It Wrong?"
"Nope, [I am not saying that people haven't been telling you that you are doing it wrong.]"

You know... your own question?

Quote from: misterguignol;448717So, you think Dungeon Delver wasn't telling me I'm Doin' It Wrong?  (Read back, if necessary.  I think DD would be quite honest in saying that is exactly what he was saying.)

Quote from: Benoist;448718OK. Maybe you yourself need to calm the fuck down and read my answer again.

"Nope, [I am not saying that people haven't been telling you that you are doing it wrong.]"

Do you notice the double negative?

"I am NOT saying that people have NOT been telling you that you are doing it wrong."

Which means: YES, people are telling you you are doing it wrong.

Reading comprehension is your friend. Now read the rest of my original answer, please:

I'm trying to tell you that you might consider the possibility you are indeed getting it wrong instead of shielding yourself with bullshit catch phrases like "one-true-wayism."

If someone ever tells you you might be wrong in your approach or might consider some other possibility, no matter the actual way one uses to convey this idea -as examplified in this thread-, they are themselves automatically wrong on the grounds of "one-true-wayism." You then automatically discard any point of view that doesn't match yours, which is, frankly, stupid, and leads to immature, even dickish, behavior like the one you've just displayed.

Quote from: Benoist;448720Holy shit. You are retarded. OK. Nevermind...

Quote from: misterguignol;448721Brilliant response.  Full of deep thoughts.  Would read again!