Quote from: kythri;1086707Was actual staff involved in that conversation?  That goes against everything they've ever talked about when it comes to reprint.

Especially odd, considering they've still got (2) 3.5 APs that haven't been updated for PF that are older than Kingmaker.

Pretty sure it was James Jacobs, yes.   The only reason they are talking about it is because of the whole 10th anniversary thing.

They can't print Age of Worms or Shackled City at all, I think.  Pretty sure WotC owns those from the Dungeon magazine days?

Weird, but, then again, James Jacobs isn't involved in the business side of the company, so take anything he says with a grain of salt.  He would certainly be involved with a potential reprint/update, but he's not in the decision-making path of such.

As far as the APs that haven't been reprinted, I'm talking about Second Darkness (#3) and Legacy of Fire (#4).

Rise of the Runelords (#1) and Curse of the Crimson Throne (#2) have already been reprinted in hardcover form, updated from 3.5 to PF1E.

The whole conversation was very conversational and grain of salt, but it did sound like the thought was being batted about the office.

Quote from: Manic Modron;1086709Pretty sure it was James Jacobs, yes.   The only reason they are talking about it is because of the whole 10th anniversary thing.

They can't print Age of Worms or Shackled City at all, I think.  Pretty sure WotC owns those from the Dungeon magazine days?

Dont forget that the Kingmaker CRPG is doing pretty well at the moment too so this gives them a chance to do some cross platform marketing as well as the whole 10th Anniversary shtick.

It was, in fact, Erik Mona I was as thinking about and I found a Reddit link that shows both the post that I was talking about (copy and pasted from Paizo Boards?  To Paizo Boards?) and the post where he explains why they didn't go with it after all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/bjztec/paizo_blog_kingmaker_10th_anniversary_hardcover/emrrxni/?context=3

I'm honestly surprised to see that they (Paizo Staff) leave their hugbox and visit other fora for input.

Good on them.

Up to $143 000 now with new stretch goals unlocked:

$175 K - Added chapter "The Cursed King" taking the campaign to 20th Level

$200 K - Kingmaker Poster Map Folio

$225 K - Tristian added to the Companion Guide Expansion

$250 K - Barony expansion added to core book (now up to 608 pages)

Only 13 days to go.

It's nice that the poster map folio will automatically go to Spymaster/Ruler backers, and isn't an extra-cost add-on.

Wow, I don't know enough to comment on this history, other to say that I remember the Paizo kickstarter for an MMO, and thought that was an....odd strategy.

She's just bent she got fired.  Sour grapes.  Nobody wants to hire her, so she has to spew vile hate in order to maintain a small semblance of relevance amongst her perpetually offended friendlist, and hope that someone there will throw her a bone.  She hasn't realized that "Get Woke, Go Broke" really is a thing.

She's also pitching a bitch about them producing the playtest books - nevermind that they did that for PF1E.

ETA:  Given Paizo's historic stance about reprinting stuff (i.e. only "core" hardcovers, traditionally never AP/modules/companions/campaign setting material), it's not surprising that they would crowdfund this one, especially given the circumstances (rules for PF2E, with PF2E not even being out yet, and alternate books for D&D5E/PF1E).

Didnt she get sued by someone or am I thinking about a different troll?

Quote from: kythri;1087068She's just bent she got fired.  Sour grapes.  Nobody wants to hire her, so she has to spew vile hate in order to maintain a small semblance of relevance amongst her perpetually offended friendlist, and hope that someone there will throw her a bone.  She hasn't realized that "Get Woke, Go Broke" really is a thing.

She's also pitching a bitch about them producing the playtest books - nevermind that they did that for PF1E.

ETA:  Given Paizo's historic stance about reprinting stuff (i.e. only "core" hardcovers, traditionally never AP/modules/companions/campaign setting material), it's not surprising that they would crowdfund this one, especially given the circumstances (rules for PF2E, with PF2E not even being out yet, and alternate books for D&D5E/PF1E).

There's nothing wrong with crowdfunding, I'm on record arguing that it's brilliant for our hobby. Same goes for re-printing, I'm fine with that, good way to generate income at low cost. I like what I suspect WOTC will be doing going forward for example (see Ghosts of Saltmarsh).

Price being upset doesn't necessarily make it sour grapes, I'm not sure anything you posted refutes her claims as to negligence(?), which are pretty serious, no?

The biggest threat to Kickstarts is people being reckless (and occasionally simply criminal) with funders' money.

Quote from: Motorskills;1087067Wow, I don't know enough to comment on this history, other to say that I remember the Paizo kickstarter for an MMO, and thought that was an....odd strategy.

LOL. I expect all that inside dirt is basically harsh-but-fair, even though her motivations for spilling it are obviously far from pure. I think pretty much everyone could see that Ryan Dancey's MMO was always a highly dubious proposition. I also agree with her that converting Kingmaker to 2e should not need crowdfunding.

Edit: I was never going to back their crowdfunding campaign, but I'll probably pick up the 5e monster book if/when it comes out, assuming it has Paizo production values plus 5e stats from people who know what they're doing.

Quote from: Shasarak;1087074Didnt she get sued by someone or am I thinking about a different troll?

She is one of the three SJWs who Bill Webb says he will sue, along with Chris Helton & Stacey D.

She also did a lot of damage to Paizo in her time there, eg I was on their forums and saw her transform them from Lisa Stevens' "fun & friendly place" to an SJW hellscape, almost single-handed. She was also the one who leaked Frank Mentzer's year-old "you're cute - if I were 30 years younger" Facebook PMs to torpedo his Kickstarter - arguably doing him a favour. Eventually Paizo fired her, she got a job at a computer game company, they also fired her.

Quote from: S'mon;1087080LOL. I expect all that inside dirt is basically harsh-but-fair, even though her motivations for spilling it are obviously far from pure. I think pretty much everyone could see that Ryan Dancey's MMO was always a highly dubious proposition. I also agree with her that converting Kingmaker to 2e should not need crowdfunding.

Edit: I was never going to back their crowdfunding campaign, but I'll probably pick up the 5e monster book if/when it comes out, assuming it has Paizo production values plus 5e stats from people who know what they're doing.

I guess if you were just going to slap the six parts of the Kingmaker adventure path together in a hardback cover then I would agree that you dont need crowdfunding.

However this way it gives Paizo a feeling of how many people actually want support for 1e or 5e enough to actually spend their money on it.

Personally I like the social aspect of doing projects through crowdfunding, seeing how far you can get through the stretch goals.  Its a bit of fun that the "standard" way of publishing does not give you.