QuoteIn 2010, Pathfinder's Kingmaker Adventure Path raised the bar on what a tabletop fantasy RPG campaign could be. With open-ended sandbox-style adventures, Kingmaker beckoned players to claim their throne and carve a new nation out of the treacherous River Kingdoms, map hex by map hex. Tens of thousands of gamers answered the call, ranking Kingmaker among the best-known and best-loved tabletop campaigns in history.
Last fall, Owlcat Games released a best-selling computer game adaptation of the Kingmaker campaign, adding new adventures, new mysteries, and more than a dozen new companions to accompany the players as they expand their holdings from a single fortress to a burgeoning empire. A new generation of rulers have schemed and sliced their way to the heights of power in the River Kingdoms, and interest in the Kingmaker campaign has never been higher!
Alas, all six Pathfinder Adventure Path volumes featuring the original Kingmaker campaign are out of print, and have been for years. Assembling a full set of used original volumes and associated accessories can cost hundreds of dollars.
Fortunately, 2020 is the 10th Anniversary of the Kingmaker Adventure Path. Next year is the perfect time to celebrate with a brand new collected and expanded hardcover compilation of the Kingmaker campaign for the second edition of the Pathfinder RPG, along with a little something special for our friends who prefer 5E.
The only question is... how ambitious do we get?
That's where you come in.
The campaign is live now (https://www.gameontabletop.com/cf194/kingmaker-10th-anniversary.html) with over $70,000 raised so far. It does not matter which brand of DnD you play or how much Social you like mixed with your Justice - bring your inner Warrior to show the River Kingdoms who is the boss.
Quote from: Shasarak;1086636The campaign is live now (https://www.gameontabletop.com/cf194/kingmaker-10th-anniversary.html) with over $70,000 raised so far. It does not matter which brand of DnD you play or how much Social you like mixed with your Justice - bring your inner Warrior to show the River Kingdoms who is the boss.
I think someone posted earlier that it was originally released for D&D 3.5 and not PF1E.
Quote from: Razor 007;1086640I think someone posted earlier that it was originally released for D&D 3.5 and not PF1E.
This is the all new Kingmaker Hardback for PF 2E with extra Bestiary's for both PF 1E and DnD 5E.
OK, cool.
Quote from: Razor 007;1086640I think someone posted earlier that it was originally released for D&D 3.5 and not PF1E.
I don't see how. Pathfinder was already fully published in 2009 and Kingmaker was published in 2010, well after D&D was in 4th.
On topic though, Paizo is considering releasing a single volume reprint of the campaign in PF1 format. They are just pondering the idea, but if there is enough demand they just might do it.
Kingmaker was originally PF, not 3.5. It was the second AP released for PF, once they converted.
Quote from: Manic Modron;1086650On topic though, Paizo is considering releasing a single volume reprint of the campaign in PF1 format. They are just pondering the idea, but if there is enough demand they just might do it.
Where do you see that? In the paizo.com thread, their COO shot down the idea of a separate 5E and PF1E book, that there would be the version-specific bestiaries, but the actual campaign book is going to be PF2E, and there will be conversion guides for 5E/PF1E.
Quote from: kythri;1086653Where do you see that? In the paizo.com thread, their COO shot down the idea of a separate 5E and PF1E book, that there would be the version-specific bestiaries, but the actual campaign book is going to be PF2E, and there will be conversion guides for 5E/PF1E.
That could be one of the stretch goals that has not been revealed yet.
Currently the Pawn Box is unlocked at $100K, the Flip Mat at $130K and Amiri added to the Campaign Guide Expansion at $150K
Well, if it happens, that'd be nice. I just backed at the early-bird (first 24 hours of campaign) level.
While I haven't played the PC game, I was under the impression it used a fair amount of material from later PF rulebooks, stuff like oracles and magus and the like. Stuff that 5e and 2e don't have (I guess 2e comes with the Alchemist). It's going to be interesting to see how those are supported in 5e/PF2
Quote from: JeremyR;1086673While I haven't played the PC game, I was under the impression it used a fair amount of material from later PF rulebooks, stuff like oracles and magus and the like. Stuff that 5e and 2e don't have (I guess 2e comes with the Alchemist). It's going to be interesting to see how those are supported in 5e/PF2
There seems to be a current trend in game design to stat up all NPCs as monsters so it would be relatively easy with the new 2e rules to make up a 5th level Magus NPC monster for the party to fight that would not be the same as a 5th level Magus PC. It would not matter if there were no rules for making a PC Magus.
I get a kick out of the people on the Paizo forums bellyaching that they won't be publishing a PF1 version of the hardback. What part of "Paizo is moving on from PF1" don't these dolts understand? They're not keeping one foot in PF1 and one in PF2. They're determined that it's in the strategic interests of their company to make a decisive break. Most long-time Pathfinder fans already have the PF1 books of Kingmaker, and the PDFs are readily available for those who don't.
As the 6th of 24 APs, Kingmaker is LONG out of print. There's been a ton of demand for a reprint of it for the past decade. Most long-time PF fans DON'T have it in print.
Considering that they're supporting PF1E by printing a hardback Kingmaker Bestiary for PF1E, and providing a conversion guide, I'd say their strategic interests don't involve all that decisive of a break.
Guess all that bellyaching paid off.
Quote from: kythri;1086653Where do you see that? In the paizo.com thread, their COO shot down the idea of a separate 5E and PF1E book, that there would be the version-specific bestiaries, but the actual campaign book is going to be PF2E, and there will be conversion guides for 5E/PF1E.
It was a while ago on their forums. It wasn't going to be the same tome as the PF2/5e campaign, it was just going to be the very original six books reprinted in one volume. No updates, no editing, just mash the files together and print. They might have also just been testing the water on it, considering only, not making plans.
Was actual staff involved in that conversation? That goes against everything they've ever talked about when it comes to reprint.
Especially odd, considering they've still got (2) 3.5 APs that haven't been updated for PF that are older than Kingmaker.
Quote from: kythri;1086707Was actual staff involved in that conversation? That goes against everything they've ever talked about when it comes to reprint.
Especially odd, considering they've still got (2) 3.5 APs that haven't been updated for PF that are older than Kingmaker.
Pretty sure it was James Jacobs, yes. The only reason they are talking about it is because of the whole 10th anniversary thing.
They can't print Age of Worms or Shackled City at all, I think. Pretty sure WotC owns those from the Dungeon magazine days?
Weird, but, then again, James Jacobs isn't involved in the business side of the company, so take anything he says with a grain of salt. He would certainly be involved with a potential reprint/update, but he's not in the decision-making path of such.
As far as the APs that haven't been reprinted, I'm talking about Second Darkness (#3) and Legacy of Fire (#4).
Rise of the Runelords (#1) and Curse of the Crimson Throne (#2) have already been reprinted in hardcover form, updated from 3.5 to PF1E.
The whole conversation was very conversational and grain of salt, but it did sound like the thought was being batted about the office.
Quote from: Manic Modron;1086709Pretty sure it was James Jacobs, yes. The only reason they are talking about it is because of the whole 10th anniversary thing.
They can't print Age of Worms or Shackled City at all, I think. Pretty sure WotC owns those from the Dungeon magazine days?
Dont forget that the Kingmaker CRPG is doing pretty well at the moment too so this gives them a chance to do some cross platform marketing as well as the whole 10th Anniversary shtick.
It was, in fact, Erik Mona I was as thinking about and I found a Reddit link that shows both the post that I was talking about (copy and pasted from Paizo Boards? To Paizo Boards?) and the post where he explains why they didn't go with it after all.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/bjztec/paizo_blog_kingmaker_10th_anniversary_hardcover/emrrxni/?context=3
I'm honestly surprised to see that they (Paizo Staff) leave their hugbox and visit other fora for input.
Good on them.
Up to $143 000 now with new stretch goals unlocked:
$175 K - Added chapter "The Cursed King" taking the campaign to 20th Level
$200 K - Kingmaker Poster Map Folio
$225 K - Tristian added to the Companion Guide Expansion
$250 K - Barony expansion added to core book (now up to 608 pages)
Only 13 days to go.
It's nice that the poster map folio will automatically go to Spymaster/Ruler backers, and isn't an extra-cost add-on.
Wow, I don't know enough to comment on this history (https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1126549212609441792), other to say that I remember the Paizo kickstarter for an MMO, and thought that was an....odd strategy.
She's just bent she got fired. Sour grapes. Nobody wants to hire her, so she has to spew vile hate in order to maintain a small semblance of relevance amongst her perpetually offended friendlist, and hope that someone there will throw her a bone. She hasn't realized that "Get Woke, Go Broke" really is a thing.
She's also pitching a bitch about them producing the playtest books - nevermind that they did that for PF1E.
ETA: Given Paizo's historic stance about reprinting stuff (i.e. only "core" hardcovers, traditionally never AP/modules/companions/campaign setting material), it's not surprising that they would crowdfund this one, especially given the circumstances (rules for PF2E, with PF2E not even being out yet, and alternate books for D&D5E/PF1E).
Didnt she get sued by someone or am I thinking about a different troll?
Quote from: kythri;1087068She's just bent she got fired. Sour grapes. Nobody wants to hire her, so she has to spew vile hate in order to maintain a small semblance of relevance amongst her perpetually offended friendlist, and hope that someone there will throw her a bone. She hasn't realized that "Get Woke, Go Broke" really is a thing.
She's also pitching a bitch about them producing the playtest books - nevermind that they did that for PF1E.
ETA: Given Paizo's historic stance about reprinting stuff (i.e. only "core" hardcovers, traditionally never AP/modules/companions/campaign setting material), it's not surprising that they would crowdfund this one, especially given the circumstances (rules for PF2E, with PF2E not even being out yet, and alternate books for D&D5E/PF1E).
There's nothing wrong with crowdfunding, I'm on record arguing that it's brilliant for our hobby. Same goes for re-printing, I'm fine with that, good way to generate income at low cost. I like what I suspect WOTC will be doing going forward for example (see
Ghosts of Saltmarsh).
Price being upset doesn't necessarily make it sour grapes, I'm not sure anything you posted refutes her claims as to negligence(?), which are pretty serious, no?
The biggest threat to Kickstarts is people being reckless (and occasionally simply criminal) with funders' money.
Quote from: Motorskills;1087067Wow, I don't know enough to comment on this history (https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1126549212609441792), other to say that I remember the Paizo kickstarter for an MMO, and thought that was an....odd strategy.
LOL. I expect all that inside dirt is basically harsh-but-fair, even though her motivations for spilling it are obviously far from pure. I think pretty much everyone could see that Ryan Dancey's MMO was always a highly dubious proposition. I also agree with her that converting Kingmaker to 2e should not need crowdfunding.
Edit: I was never going to back their crowdfunding campaign, but I'll probably pick up the 5e monster book if/when it comes out, assuming it has Paizo production values plus 5e stats from people who know what they're doing.
Quote from: Shasarak;1087074Didnt she get sued by someone or am I thinking about a different troll?
She is one of the three SJWs who Bill Webb says he will sue, along with Chris Helton & Stacey D.
She also did a lot of damage to Paizo in her time there, eg I was on their forums and saw her transform them from Lisa Stevens' "fun & friendly place" to an SJW hellscape, almost single-handed. She was also the one who leaked Frank Mentzer's year-old "you're cute - if I were 30 years younger" Facebook PMs to torpedo his Kickstarter - arguably doing him a favour. Eventually Paizo fired her, she got a job at a computer game company, they also fired her.
Quote from: S'mon;1087080LOL. I expect all that inside dirt is basically harsh-but-fair, even though her motivations for spilling it are obviously far from pure. I think pretty much everyone could see that Ryan Dancey's MMO was always a highly dubious proposition. I also agree with her that converting Kingmaker to 2e should not need crowdfunding.
Edit: I was never going to back their crowdfunding campaign, but I'll probably pick up the 5e monster book if/when it comes out, assuming it has Paizo production values plus 5e stats from people who know what they're doing.
I guess if you were just going to slap the six parts of the Kingmaker adventure path together in a hardback cover then I would agree that you dont need crowdfunding.
However this way it gives Paizo a feeling of how many people actually want support for 1e or 5e enough to actually spend their money on it.
Personally I like the social aspect of doing projects through crowdfunding, seeing how far you can get through the stretch goals. Its a bit of fun that the "standard" way of publishing does not give you.
Quote from: kythri;1087068She's just bent she got fired. Sour grapes. Nobody wants to hire her, so she has to spew vile hate in order to maintain a small semblance of relevance amongst her perpetually offended friendlist, and hope that someone there will throw her a bone. She hasn't realized that "Get Woke, Go Broke" really is a thing.
She's also pitching a bitch about them producing the playtest books - nevermind that they did that for PF1E.
ETA: Given Paizo's historic stance about reprinting stuff (i.e. only "core" hardcovers, traditionally never AP/modules/companions/campaign setting material), it's not surprising that they would crowdfund this one, especially given the circumstances (rules for PF2E, with PF2E not even being out yet, and alternate books for D&D5E/PF1E).
Pretty much. She learned that one actually has to behave and act responsibly when one is employed by a company. While not going all SJW fully woke, spewing hate and vitrol towards the fans. When it got her in trouble she jumped on the oppression Olympics blaming everyone but herself. In any case like Steve Jackson and Frog God Games outrage it will do nothing at all imo. SJGames funded their new kickstarter despite the outraged SJWs claiming they would never play or buy another product from them again. I think Paizo kickstarter will also be safe. As at this point in the rpg gaming industry SJWs are both irrelavant and most gamers will back it .
New stretch goal:
1,000 backers unlocks free People of the River and Guide to the River Kingdoms pdfs to all backers.
So that is the #175 K barrier broken so now the book is going to be a 592 page 20 level Adventure path.
And only another 26 backers to get the free PDFs.
Jason Eric Nelson from Legendary Games talks to the guys at Know Direction about the upcoming Kingmaker Collector's Edition
[video=youtube_share;v4bwH1M9GXM]https://youtu.be/v4bwH1M9GXM[/youtube]
It turns out that 5 out of the 6 original Kingmaker Adventure books were written by writers from Legendary Games.
Up to $207 K with 8 days to go.
New stretch goal: $300 K my personal favourite Nok-Nok gets added to the Companion Guide.
Free Kingmaker wallpaper (//buff.ly/30cqS46) from Wayne Reynolds.
Is a 608 page Adventure path for $80 the best value book on the market?
Only if it does not get expanded to 624 pages at $350 000.
I just got a 900+ page book from FGG as part of their 50% off Pathfinder sale for $50 or $60 (one of their Lost Lands books - either The Blight or Bard's Gate, also came with free PDF). Sale does appear to still be in progress.
So if page-count-to-dollar-spent is the metric, the FGG stuff is a better deal. Also, I'd fully expect less social justice in an FGG book over a Paizo book.
Looks like they have extended the campaign, now another 15 days to go.
Down to the last 24 hours, will we get the extra Candlemere Dungeon? Will every backer get the original Adventure path pdfs?
Find out this time tomorrow!
2000 backers just hit, so original AP PDFs are in. $14K to hit the Candlemere Dungeon.
Kingmaker Late Pledge Campaign (https://www.gameontabletop.com/cf194/kingmaker-10th-anniversary.html)
QuoteThe Kingmaker Late Pledge campaign gives you one final opportunity to seize the Kingmaker Adventure Path and Companion Guide, as well as to pick up Add-On products that are exclusive to the campaign. From Hero Point tokens and Kingmaker-themed dice to the Kingdom Management Screen, this is your opportunity to make your Kingmaker campaign something truly memorable! The campaign runs through 11:59 p.m. Pacific time on September 30, so head over to KingmakerCampaign.com and lock in your pledge!