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Kill it with FIRE! My 4e book burning

Started by bryce0lynch, June 05, 2014, 02:31:11 PM

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crkrueger

#90
June 09, 2014, 09:02:07 AM
Quote from: Bill;756770A coworker of mine recently insisted that the internet is to blame for children committing crimes. I asked him if he recalled (he is 62) how rock music, and Jazz before that, was blamed for childrens behavior?

Nope, the internet is an evil force that makes children murder.

It's the parent's fault, but there is a little something to that.

If you don't choose to actively raise your kids, something else will.

Before TV, other people raised your kids while they were out and about at school, church, running around with other kids, whatever.

After TV, some parents let Television raise their kids, which was bad.

Now parents let the Internet raise their kids, which is downright psychotic.
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Bill

#91
June 09, 2014, 09:06:11 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;756771It's the parent's fault, but there is a little something to that.

If you don't choose to actively raise your kids, something else will.

Before TV, other people raised your kids while they were out and about at school, church, running around with other kids, whatever.

After TV, some parents let Television raise their kids, which was bad.

Now parents let the Internet raise their kids, which is downright psychotic.

Agreed.

I do feel that the vast majority of children will not murder because someone on the internet tells them too, or because they see an r rated movie, or play call of duty.

I a not suggesting immersion children in violence, but its just too easy to blame the internet.

crkrueger

#92
June 09, 2014, 10:14:35 AM
Quote from: Bill;756772Agreed.

I do feel that the vast majority of children will not murder because someone on the internet tells them too, or because they see an r rated movie, or play call of duty.

I a not suggesting immersion children in violence, but its just too easy to blame the internet.

Yeah it's the difference between being having some effect and being the major determinative cause.

Seeing as how the 12 year olds knew a lot about Slenderman, they were obviously surfing the net without any parental control as a lot of sites where they would have been exposed to it have age ratings or no ratings (so won't show up).

It would be interesting to look at the statistics of murders, assaults and rapes by underage children and see if they have substantially risen since 2000.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Opaopajr

#94
June 09, 2014, 11:58:10 AM
It's mostly about lead in your environment, violence is. That or cheap labor/energy that needs liberating. But we can waste our time with media, still.
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Bedrockbrendan

#95
June 09, 2014, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;756788It would be interesting to look at the statistics of murders, assaults and rapes by underage children and see if they have substantially risen since 2000.

I know that violence by 10-24 year olds has gone down quite a bit since the 90s.

Bill

#96
June 09, 2014, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;756833I know that violence by 10-24 year olds has gone down quite a bit since the 90s.

What!?!?!

But...things are Dooomier now!


People always seem to think today's problems were not as bad in the past.

Like the expression "Kids today!"

Kids must have been Angels in the past.....

Haffrung

#97
June 09, 2014, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: Bill;756836What!?!?!

But...things are Dooomier now!


People always seem to think today's problems were not as bad in the past.

Like the expression "Kids today!"

Kids must have been Angels in the past.....

In a five month period in 1966, Richard Speck killed eight nurses, Charles Whitman shot 16 dead from a clock tower, and 18-year-old Robert Smith shot four women and a young girl dead. All mass-murders by rogue young men. What did people blame it all on back then?
 

Bill

#98
June 09, 2014, 01:31:01 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;756841In a five month period in 1966, Richard Speck killed eight nurses, Charles Whitman shot 16 dead from a clock tower, and 18-year-old Robert Smith shot four women and a young girl dead. All mass-murders by rogue young men. What did people blame it all on back then?

Rock music lyrics?

JamesV

#99
June 09, 2014, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;756788It would be interesting to look at the statistics of murders, assaults and rapes by underage children and see if they have substantially risen since 2000.

The upshot from gov't statistics isn't that hard to find: http://1.usa.gov/1hKNErL

All of the moral panics aside, compared to the past few decades, most kids are pretty well behaved.

My theory why? Dungeon crawling teaches creative and safe ways to deal with anger.

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#100
June 09, 2014, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: JamesV;756988The upshot from gov't statistics isn't that hard to find: http://1.usa.gov/1hKNErL

All of the moral panics aside, compared to the past few decades, most kids are pretty well behaved.

My theory why? Dungeon crawling teaches creative and safe ways to deal with anger.

School getting you down? Kill a lich and take its stuff!

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#101
June 10, 2014, 07:45:00 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;756788...

It would be interesting to look at the statistics of murders, assaults and rapes by underage children and see if they have substantially risen since 2000.
...

Violence is or was very recently at all time lows worldwide:

http://reason.com/archives/2012/01/11/the-decline-of-violence
or
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/22/world-less-violent-stats_n_1026723.html

Both talking about the same book, by the same guy.  I'm not convinced his thoughts on why are true or all of it, but the stats appear legit.
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#102
June 24, 2014, 12:32:36 AM
book burning is absolutely idiotic, whatever the subject.
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crkrueger

#103
June 24, 2014, 12:42:32 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;760862book burning is absolutely idiotic, whatever the subject.

Just think of it, cutting through whatever jungles are in Uruguay, heading to whatever lost, forgotten or forbidden temples are in Uruguay, placing every copy of every Ron Edwards or Vince Baker book ever published on the altar and setting it all on fire as the drums sound and The Wench gyrates wildly under the stars about to come right...

You know you've dreamt it.  I know I have (except it was Adriana Lima dancing because I don't know The Wench).
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Opaopajr

#104
June 24, 2014, 03:27:21 AM
I'm sure a case can be made for the Reader's Digest Condensed Novels that litter secondhand stores.
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