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Kenneth Hite is the lead designer for the new edition of Vampire

Started by Luca, May 12, 2017, 01:45:39 PM

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Willie the Duck

#135
May 19, 2017, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;963334Not society, but the biggest fans of the genre:  Women.  From Dracula to Lestat to Edward, to Christian Grey, the most popular of the genre have always been monsters who obsess over a woman to the point of abuse.

Women fans of Vampire fiction do not care about this, beyond how it affects the Heroine of the story.

Again, the fans do not care about this beyond how 'romantic' the writer can make it feel.

This sounds very much like you are basing this off some very two-dimensional stereotypes of women, and not based on any real specific women. Do you personally know any women like this?


QuoteA genre that men favour almost exclusively, and tends to deal with a larger picture than Vampire fiction.

I can't speak for when the X-men were created, but the women-don't-read-comic-books idea has been outdated for a while.

Snowman0147

#136
May 19, 2017, 07:24:26 PM
Been living under a rock Willie?  Does the Twilight Saga and the 50 Shades of Grey tell you any thing?

Nexus

#138
May 19, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: Baulderstone;963390

Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

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AaronBrown99

#139
May 19, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Excellent.
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Alderaan Crumbs

#140
May 19, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;963170despite his dingbat fucktard politics (Ted Cruz LOL)

Yep. Your opinion matters. What a dingbat fucktard...
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Christopher Brady

#141
May 19, 2017, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: Willie the Duck;963340This sounds very much like you are basing this off some very two-dimensional stereotypes of women, and not based on any real specific women. Do you personally know any women like this?

Yes, and you can't tell me the popularity of all the Vampire Fiction, from movies (All the Dracula spinoffs, and variations, like Twilight, which is just the most recent one) to television, like True Blood, Vampire Diaries, isn't a sign.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;963340I can't speak for when the X-men were created, but the women-don't-read-comic-books idea has been outdated for a while.

If you're quoting that 40%, it's been debunked.  The number is actually 4% of women read comics. Now, if you're allowing for movies then yes, the number is much higher, but how many of that are people (and I mean both genders here) that go to see their favourite celebrities no matter what they're doing.

What this boils down to is that it really doesn't matter how smart Mr. Hite is, this is probably not going to fly any further than Gehenna did.
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Vile Jester

#142
May 19, 2017, 10:49:59 PM
Wasn't previously aware of Hite, but like what I see. Already a fan of what they're saying about Hunger, Compulsions, and Composure. Leaves me very curious about how the next video game can handle it, though. Might have to resort to the ol' gas meter approach there, yeah?

Quote from: Christopher Brady;963206Offtopic:  Actually, women are the greater consumer of lesbian porn of late.  Boggled my mind.

This is a NSFW link, but because of the topiic, but not the imagery:  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/11/18/american-girls-most-likely-to-search-lesbian-on-pornhub/

Matches the results of studies on sexuality, though. Even self-identified straight women generally show a stronger sexual response to women than to men, just not so dramatic as self-identified lesbians. Hell, stronger toward bonobos than to men. Depressing stuff, I don't recommend looking it up without a dark sense of humor. Or the means to somehow turn gay.

crkrueger

#143
May 20, 2017, 03:48:31 AM
Kenneth Hite is the lead designer for the new edition of Vampire...and has written some of the greatest gaming supplements in history.

Fun Fact: He also helped write Back East: The South for Deadlands which explains why the South ended slavery in Deadlands, the topic that draws Pinnacle no end of criticism, mostly from people who don't know it exists or never read it.
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jan paparazzi

#144
May 20, 2017, 10:20:08 AM
Well, considering he wrote the Cainite Heresy, the Day after Ragnarok and Wild Talents (with Greg Stolze, another good writer) I am excited. Usually his rpg supplements are hit with the awesome stick. Can I say his books are made of win? It's so cheesy I always wanted to say that.
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Voros

#145
May 20, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
Hate to derail the women and erotic thread but I thought I'd mention that Bundle of Holding has a Vampire 20A bundle up, just cause there are so many WW fans here. :D

Hite wrote a number of alternate history supplements for Osprey on the Nazis and the Occult that look like a lot of fun too.

Nexus

#146
May 20, 2017, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: Vile Jester;963411Wasn't previously aware of Hite, but like what I see. Already a fan of what they're saying about Hunger, Compulsions, and Composure. Leaves me very curious about how the next video game can handle it, though. Might have to resort to the ol' gas meter approach there, yeah?



Matches the results of studies on sexuality, though. Even self-identified straight women generally show a stronger sexual response to women than to men, just not so dramatic as self-identified lesbians. Hell, stronger toward bonobos than to men. Depressing stuff, I don't recommend looking it up without a dark sense of humor. Or the means to somehow turn gay.

There's so many studies floating around and half of them contradict the other half and the subject is so prone to multiple types of bias it seems like about the only thing you can safely conclude is: People are different, sometimes wildly and we must be figuring out some degree of sexual compatibility on at least a semi regular basis since there are 7 billion of us and generally rising. :D
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Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Marleycat

#147
May 20, 2017, 11:06:07 PM Last Edit: May 20, 2017, 11:10:31 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: remial;962364the FIEND!  How dare Ken be friends with someone who fought back when TBP targeted his group, and used TBP's own tactics against them?  Doesn't he know any better?

TBP says TheRPGSite's issue is female pronoun use in Trail of Call of Cuthlulu I guess. Given Hite is involved I went from totally disinterested to wait and see and you guys know my general hatred of OWoD. This piques my interest enough not to immediately judge.
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Anon Adderlan

#148
May 22, 2017, 05:36:11 PM
At the very least a Swedish Vampire Cabal hiring a notorious anti-vampire game designer to write their pro-vampire game is some awesome conspiracy fodder for #NightsBlackAgents :)

Quote from: Gwarh;962894I like Ken Hite's work allot, but he's become an SJW more or less it seems to me as time goes on.

Unlike most I don't think that's by choice. I suspect he'd very much like to keep his politics to himself and just write games.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;962902Why should is be an issue?  And no I'm not being facetious, Vampires ARE rapists, abusers, stalkers, they've been a metaphorical analog for abusive men for as long as they were around.

Because he's writing a game where playing (by his own definition) supernatural rapists is OK, in a political environment which increasingly sees such as never OK under any circumstances, for a company which has demonstrated poor respect for player boundaries. So I don't see how this couldn't be an issue.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;962910Vampires were originally an explanation for disease invented by medieval peasants ignorant of germ theory. Only in modern times have vampires become a metaphor for addiction and unhealthy relationships.

Quote from: AsenRG;962914Vampires were first a metaphor for sickness in the original tales. Most people haven't read them.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;962944'Vampires as rapists' is a metaphor that people can pick up on in the game. It's not the only metaphor, however, is not 'official' as an interpretation and much depends upon your own perspective.

I only care about what the #LeadDesigner thinks #Vampires are a #Metaphor for.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;963298What does vampirism say about the real world? That society idolizes predators? That absolute power corrupts absolutely? That victims in abusive relationships are often unaware they are being abused?

Ooh, nice ones.

Quote from: Baulderstone;963314Back when Vampire first came out, before the metaplot, when a city was an entire campaign setting, I ran a game in a mid-sized city with an ineffectual Prince. The players all bristled at the oppression of the Prince and after a time, they overthrew him and took control of the city, striking a blow for freedom.

Of course, they were still vampires, and they needed mortals to feed on, which meant setting up systems to control them. They needed to deal with other vampires in the city causing trouble. They needed to deal with the vampire population growing unchecked with the prince gone.

Without any need for me to push them beyond simply presenting the problems, they slowly rebuilt the system that disgusted them, and didn't even realize what they were doing until they had just about finished the process. They were all darkly amused.

[video=youtube_share;GY4yJoSSMZM]https://youtu.be/GY4yJoSSMZM[/youtube]

Quote from: Christopher Brady;963334Not society, but the biggest fans of the genre:  Women.  From Dracula to Lestat to Edward, to Christian Grey, the most popular of the genre have always been monsters who obsess over a woman to the point of abuse.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;963340This sounds very much like you are basing this off some very two-dimensional stereotypes of women, and not based on any real specific women.

He's not.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;963334Do you personally know any women like this?

Yes. Many. Most of whom also understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

AsenRG

#149
May 23, 2017, 03:17:21 AM
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;963811I only care about what the #LeadDesigner thinks #Vampires are a #Metaphor for.
And I don't, because in my game, vampires will be metaphors for whatever I decide they should be;).
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