https://www.boardgamequest.com/the-gaming-goat-ceo-jeff-bergren-escorted-out-of-gen-con/?fbclid=IwAR0AXqg1h7sfeNEpEBM5pRTDwFeEW1TMUhI_B-xwNt84QzsmQ3N4PS0UXTk
No information about why yet.
Apparently he has ruffled some feathers in the past, there are a couple of (too) lengthy threads on BGG with something about a frog and a white power symbol, but does anyone know anything more about this guy?
Google has not been my friend in this matter.
Quote from: Joey2k on September 15, 2021, 02:44:05 PM
https://www.boardgamequest.com/the-gaming-goat-ceo-jeff-bergren-escorted-out-of-gen-con/?fbclid=IwAR0AXqg1h7sfeNEpEBM5pRTDwFeEW1TMUhI_B-xwNt84QzsmQ3N4PS0UXTk
No information about why yet.
Apparently he has ruffled some feathers in the past, there are a couple of (too) lengthy threads on BGG with something about a frog and a white power symbol, but does anyone know anything more about this guy?
Google has not been my friend in this matter.
Well, your link talks about his picture of a frog making the 'OK' gesture, which 'has a long history of being a white power symbol' -- which is complete dogshit since that meme came out of fucking 4chan.
Looks like it might be tied up in this: https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/09/15/the-gaming-goat-condemned-by-ttrpg-community-after-being-accused-of-using-white-supremacist-symbol-in-new-tournament-fishing-game/
Which is, of course, more dogshit (not on BTC's part, but the whole 'ermahgerd, OK is white power!' bit).
Long history of white power symbol.... what a fucking crock of shit. Why is it, the people who are so woke know every fucking dogwhistle/conspiracy theory that has ever existed? It seems to me people just make shit up and roll with it. I have no doubt he is trolling their dumbasses with something that exists only in their minds, but if meme trolling people is uber racists, we are doomed as a culture.
Quote from: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 02:57:54 PM
Why is it, the people who are so woke know every fucking dogwhistle/conspiracy theory that has ever existed? It seems to me people just make shit up and roll with it.
That's literally what happens, haha. The beautiful autists on /pol/ make up something ridiculous (like the whole OK/white power thing) that is just believable enough, then they spread it pretending to be SJWs and acting like it's a "real" thing. Then real SJWs latch on to it thinking it's real, effectively making it real, with the chans laughing about it the whole way through. 4chan memes shit into reality often, it seems. Weird (but hilarious) timeline we're in, lads.
Honestly looks more like that frog is playing the circle game to me
Quote from: Joey2k on September 15, 2021, 03:12:10 PM
Honestly looks more like that frog is playing the circle game to me
I'd wager at least 90% of people who've been called out for making a "white power" symbol were doing just that, not even realizing there was a group of insane people waiting just around the corner to pounce and yell "RACISM!"
As for the frog, I literally just Googled "frog hands" and it takes zero effort to see THAT IS JUST A WAY THAT FROGS HAPPEN TO HOLD THEIR HANDS.
(http://mithgarthr.com/images/froghands.jpg)
Well who said that things are supposed to make sense lately. Sometimes I think I'm living an episode of The Twilight Zone when it comes to gaming related stuff.
Oh and anyone who's at GenCon. Has John Wick picked a fight yet?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 02:55:19 PM
Looks like it might be tied up in this: https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/09/15/the-gaming-goat-condemned-by-ttrpg-community-after-being-accused-of-using-white-supremacist-symbol-in-new-tournament-fishing-game/
Am I to understand that you can now rent a stand at GenCon, then get thrown out (without a refund?) due to an Internet-based hate campaign? How is that not breach of contract? How can you do business with GenCon after one similar event? I mean, even if it does not happen to you. Would you invest your time and money in participating?
Mindboggling.
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 03:34:01 PM
Well who said that things are supposed to make sense lately. Sometimes I think I'm living an episode of The Twilight Zone when it comes to gaming related stuff.
Oh and anyone who's at GenCon. Has John Wick picked a fight yet?
We skipped Twilight Zone and went full Idiocracy when people fell for the Toilet Paper Apocalypse of 2020.
Quote from: RebelSky on September 15, 2021, 04:07:54 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 03:34:01 PM
Well who said that things are supposed to make sense lately. Sometimes I think I'm living an episode of The Twilight Zone when it comes to gaming related stuff.
Oh and anyone who's at GenCon. Has John Wick picked a fight yet?
We skipped Twilight Zone and went full Idiocracy when people fell for the Toilet Paper Apocalypse of 2020.
True, true. smh
Quote from: Melan on September 15, 2021, 04:03:57 PM
Am I to understand that you can now rent a stand at GenCon, then get thrown out (without a refund?) due to an Internet-based hate campaign? How is that not breach of contract? How can you do business with GenCon after one similar event? I mean, even if it does not happen to you. Would you invest your time and money in participating?
Mindboggling.
This is where GenCon has been for a while now, and why anyone still spends money on the thing is beyond me.
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 03:34:01 PM
Well who said that things are supposed to make sense lately. Sometimes I think I'm living an episode of The Twilight Zone when it comes to gaming related stuff.
Oh and anyone who's at GenCon. Has John Wick picked a fight yet?
I really hope he has.
Looking at the GenCon post, they may have ejected Bergren but opted to leave his company stand/stall/whatever there for others to run it.
As far as getting turfed, GenCon does have the obligatory blurb:
"Gen Con LLC Event Management reserves the right to deny entry or remove from the Event facilities any person who in Event Management's sole and absolute discretion is behaving or threatening to behave in a manner which Event Management reasonably considers to be disruptive of the Event."
That being said, I'm not sure if you can play that card as easily with business vendors as you can with simple con attendees. There may be complications. However, take that with a grain of salt; I'd want to see whatever contracts got signed.
He really should keep quiet for the moment and speak to a lawyer. Really why the hell would anyone actually agree to such arbitrary terms without a conditional refund.
This story was picked-up just this morning by the engaging and factual gaming news blog Your Dungeon Is Racist: https://yourdungeonisracist.blogspot.com/2021/09/white-supremacist-frog-not-welcome-at.html
Enjoy,
VS
Quote from: VengerSatanis on September 16, 2021, 01:24:08 PM
This story was picked-up just this morning by the engaging and factual gaming news blog Your Dungeon Is Racist: https://yourdungeonisracist.blogspot.com/2021/09/white-supremacist-frog-not-welcome-at.html
Enjoy,
VS
A bit clunky, but a good start (it could use some polish in the story). Amusing. Do you have any word on if the company was ejected as well as Bergren?
I could be mistaken here, but the frog thing may just be heresay.
I am not denying people got angry about the frog but am saying that gencon may have other issues with Jeff. One issue that's been pointed out was him taking pictures of himself in The GenCon space setting up without a mask, which is against their policy.
Again I'm not entirely sure and I'm not here to say anyone is wrong as much as point out that there is a bit more to the story than just the frog.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 16, 2021, 01:50:24 PM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on September 16, 2021, 01:24:08 PM
This story was picked-up just this morning by the engaging and factual gaming news blog Your Dungeon Is Racist: https://yourdungeonisracist.blogspot.com/2021/09/white-supremacist-frog-not-welcome-at.html
Enjoy,
VS
A bit clunky, but a good start (it could use some polish in the story). Amusing. Do you have any word on if the company was ejected as well as Bergren?
Thanks, hoss. I don't know.
This is a bunch of silly BS. Apparently, GenCon is a lost cause; down on their knees, polishing the knobs of the SJW fruitcake crowd.
Kickstarter joined the lynching mob too:
Wrongthink seems to be their justification. I don't know the dude or the company but this smells fishy. Divest from Kickstarter and boycott GenCon.
https://www.gencon.com/forums/78-general-info-2021/topics/16956-tgg-games-the-gaming-goat-jeff-bergen-conduct?fbclid=IwAR1QsV7fsgCQC0CGZEEAwDMkw4NrvDq2ygWDLmzikTN5oOgeq1St6XmUpSs (https://www.gencon.com/forums/78-general-info-2021/topics/16956-tgg-games-the-gaming-goat-jeff-bergen-conduct?fbclid=IwAR1QsV7fsgCQC0CGZEEAwDMkw4NrvDq2ygWDLmzikTN5oOgeq1St6XmUpSs)
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
One that's not a pepe cartoon
Two the OK symbol was a 4chan troll and you all fell for it.
Three by your logic anything that has been used/liked by ethnonationalists should never be used by anyone else even in the most remote likeness.
Hitler liked dogs and was a vegetarian. Now go pester dog owners and vegetarians for their nazi association...
It's a picture of a frog
(https://www-thewrap-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-18-at-1.25.26-PM.jpg)
This is terrifying. I remember the day the okay hoax went live. 4Chan trolled the world, and Reddit sat back and laughed. We thought it was hilarious. I am not laughing now. I thought no one could actually believe it.
The kickstarter they just canceled? Last year a Jeopardy champion who'd won 3 games put up the same "symbol", and was mobbed online. He apologized profusely, as he didn't even know what they were talking about, but we all know that's gasoline on the fire.
How did a prank become a real thing that is being used to end people's careers? Killing a kickstarter over this? That's just...you can literally google frog hands and see how ridiculous this is.
I would like to go back to my own timeline now, please.
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 18, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.
And they do it "unironically".
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 18, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
He says ironically
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
Except that wasn't a Pepe the frog cartoon.
Ordinary, bog standard frog.
So frogs are now a symbol of white supremacy? Does Kermit know?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 19, 2021, 12:12:16 AM
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
Except that wasn't a Pepe the frog cartoon.
Ordinary, bog standard frog.
So frogs are now a symbol of white supremacy? Does Kermit know?
Breaking news! Game company Konami under fire for producing Neo-Nazi indoctrination game, "Frogger." Film at 11.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 18, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
Every instance where someone has been "caught using" it every sane and rational person can see that they weren't doing so intentionally, and that it's the rage-addicted twitter mob looking for a dopamine hit.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 18, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 18, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.
And they do it "unironically".
Yes, and all those concerned with not being seen as a 'white nationalist' should probably stop doing all of those things immediately. One wouldn't want to be a racist.
According to the Anti-Defamation League: "The overwhelming usage of the "okay" hand gesture today is still its traditional purpose as a gesture signifying assent or approval. As a result, someone who uses the symbol cannot be assumed to be using the symbol in either a trolling or, especially, white supremacist context unless other contextual evidence exists to support the contention." They even explain it's a 4chan hoax that white supremacists picked up on to troll the left and add to the joke. Considering a few responses here, people are still taking the bait.
So being escorted from GenCon or cancelling kickstarters should have had -other- reasons than that.
I understand that the actual "white power" gesture as some White Nationalists (I think that's the currrent term) have adopted it relates to the "OK" gesture the same way the British "Fuck you" relates to "V for Victory" --"OK" shows the palm, "W for Whitey" shows the back of the hand. Which is a step further on from the 4chan original.
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
It was a masterful troll, because everyone has used the OK symbol at one point or another. That was the point.
(https://thefourthestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/obama_1822024c.jpg)
Next you'll be telling us that drinking milk is a symbol of white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 18, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 18, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.
And they do it "unironically".
So, you consider the activities you listed as equal to *checks notes* flashing racist symbols? Interesting...
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 18, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 18, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.
And they do it "unironically".
So, you consider the activities you listed as equal to *checks notes* flashing racist symbols? Interesting...
So you consider anything 4chan says it's a racist symbol to be one? Interesting...
And by interesting I mean how stupid of you.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 19, 2021, 03:12:17 AM
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
It was a masterful troll, because everyone has used the OK symbol at one point or another. That was the point.
(https://thefourthestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/obama_1822024c.jpg)
Next you'll be telling us that drinking milk is a symbol of white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28
Quote from: ScytheSong on September 19, 2021, 02:27:42 AM
I understand that the actual "white power" gesture as some White Nationalists (I think that's the currrent term) have adopted it relates to the "OK" gesture the same way the British "Fuck you" relates to "V for Victory" --"OK" shows the palm, "W for Whitey" shows the back of the hand. Which is a step further on from the 4chan original.
How many neo nazi meetings do you have to attend to get clued in on the super secret meanings of their hand signals? Or is this something the FBI lets everyone know, since they are likely the ones funding the meetings and planned events?
Why are racists so stupid now that they need to check their notes to remember what they are supposed to be complaining about?
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops. Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.
Or, maybe we are being lied to.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 19, 2021, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 18, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 18, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.
And they do it "unironically".
So, you consider the activities you listed as equal to *checks notes* flashing racist symbols? Interesting...
So you consider anything 4chan says it's a racist symbol to be one? Interesting...
And by interesting I mean how stupid of you.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 19, 2021, 03:12:17 AM
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
It was a masterful troll, because everyone has used the OK symbol at one point or another. That was the point.
(https://thefourthestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/obama_1822024c.jpg)
Next you'll be telling us that drinking milk is a symbol of white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28
No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.
Quote from: DM_Curt on September 19, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops. Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.
Or, maybe we are being lied to.
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Yes, the folks trumpeting the ok gesture as 'white supremacy' are very useful idiots. It muddies the waters for other actual symbols. Additionally, after the Civil War, no slave-owners received reparations. The slave-owners in Washington DC got them in 1862, but no one outside of DC did. I'm not seeing the radical Republican congress being sympathetic to southern slave owners.
*makes 'OK' signs aggressively at Tubesnake*
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 19, 2021, 07:44:23 PM
*makes 'OK' signs aggressively at Tubesnake*
Yes, we all know you love the tube snake
Quote from: Tristan on September 19, 2021, 07:39:41 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Yes, the folks trumpeting the ok gesture as 'white supremacy' are very useful idiots. It muddies the waters for other actual symbols. Additionally, after the Civil War, no slave-owners received reparations. The slave-owners in Washington DC got them in 1862, but no one outside of DC did. I'm not seeing the radical Republican congress being sympathetic to southern slave owners.
Thanks for the correction, but that's too many slavers getting recompense, in any event.
As for muddying the waters, that's the intent when /pol/acks and alt-rightards co-opt these symbols - to give themselves plausible deniability. The Christchurch shooter wasn't using the hand gesture "ironically", and even if he was, that's just the living embodiment of the "joke's on them I was just pretending" meme.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of.
This is the first I've heard of it. Could you provide us with some examples as verification of your claim?
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.
Quote from: DM_Curt on September 19, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops. Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.
Or, maybe we are being lied to.
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Bold to remark your stupidity.
But I'm the dumbass...
Quote from: jeff37923 on September 19, 2021, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of.
This is the first I've heard of it. Could you provide us with some examples as verification of your claim?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 19, 2021, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.
Quote from: DM_Curt on September 19, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops. Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.
Or, maybe we are being lied to.
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Bold to remark your stupidity.
But I'm the dumbass...
Yeah, you're a dumbass.
(https://img.fae.ro/f42412.jpeg)
The guy on the right is Anthony Pierpont. He's shown here at a neo-nazi concert. Pierpont, who is obviously not white, owned Panzerfaust Records, which was, for a time, one of the largest, if not the largest and most successful "white power" record labels in the country. There was considerable debate even then (1998-2005) about whether Pierpont was actually white. He had his defenders in that scene, but he also had his detractors, and many were quick to point out that he always had a very good "tan". None of that, however, kept him or his label from being successful. Pierpont himself was outspoken about his racist views, and support for neo-nazi ideology. Pierpont, who was adopted, was eventually made persona non grata in WN circles after someone found a copy of his birth certificate, which showed, unsurprisingly, that he had been born in Mexico to Mexican parents.
Or how about a Jewish Nazi? Dan Burros was a high ranking member of the American Nazi Party, who committed suicide in 1965 after a newspaper reporter revealed Burros' Jewish heritage.
It's not just people of color who become unlikely nazis. Nicky Crane was a well-known and well-connected British skinhead, with a reputation as a fearsome and capable brawler. In the 80s, he associated closely with Skrewdriver, one of the biggest skinhead bands of all time. He committed many violent attacks, even serving a 4-year prison sentence as the result of one. He came out as gay in the early 90s, which apparently shocked his racist comrades, even though Crane had appeared in gay porn and marched in a 1986 gay pride parade in London, all while still an active member of the neo-nazi movement.
This whole idea that someone is "exempt" from being racist because of their color, creed or orientation is BS, and some hate groups even use this "tokenism" as cover.
Edit: there's also "Bianca Trump", former porn actress (real name Wendy Iwanow) a buxom, brown-skinned beauty once billed as "The Latin Princess of Porn", who reinvented herself as a tattoo artist and neo-nazi. She was busted on outstanding warrants in the company of a well-known (in that milieu) racist "Pastor".
There are bound to be more, these are just the ones I know off the top of my head, and you get the idea...
(https://img.fae.ro/728a46.jpeg)
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on September 19, 2021, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of.
This is the first I've heard of it. Could you provide us with some examples as verification of your claim?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 19, 2021, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.
Quote from: DM_Curt on September 19, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops. Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.
Or, maybe we are being lied to.
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Bold to remark your stupidity.
But I'm the dumbass...
Yeah, you're a dumbass.
(https://img.fae.ro/f42412.jpeg)
The guy on the right is Anthony Pierpont. He's shown here at a neo-nazi concert. Pierpont, who is obviously not white, owned Panzerfaust Records, which was, for a time, one of the largest, if not the largest and most successful "white power" record labels in the country. There was considerable debate even then (1998-2005) about whether Pierpont was actually white. He had his defenders in that scene, but he also had his detractors, and many were quick to point out that he always had a very good "tan". None of that, however, kept him or his label from being successful. Pierpont himself was outspoken about his racist views, and support for neo-nazi ideology. Pierpont, who was adopted, was eventually made persona non grata in WN circles after someone found a copy of his birth certificate, which showed, unsurprisingly, that he had been born in Mexico to Mexican parents.
Or how about a Jewish Nazi? Dan Burros was a high ranking member of the American Nazi Party, who committed suicide in 1965 after a newspaper reporter revealed Burros' Jewish heritage.
It's not just people of color who become unlikely nazis. Nicky Crane was a well-known and well-connected British skinhead, with a reputation as a fearsome and capable brawler. In the 80s, he associated closely with Skrewdriver, one of the biggest skinhead bands of all time. He committed many violent attacks, even serving a 4-year prison sentence as the result of one. He came out as gay in the early 90s, which apparently shocked his racist comrades, even though Crane had appeared in gay porn and marched in a 1986 gay pride parade in London, all while still an active member of the neo-nazi movement.
This whole idea that someone is "exempt" from being racist because of their color, creed or orientation is BS, and some hate groups even use this "tokenism" as cover.
Edit: there's also "Bianca Trump", former porn actress (real name Wendy Iwanow) a buxom, brown-skinned beauty once billed as "The Latin Princess of Porn", who reinvented herself as a tattoo artist and neo-nazi. She was busted on outstanding warrants in the company of a well-known (in that milieu) racist "Pastor".
There are bound to be more, these are just the ones I know off the top of my head, and you get the idea...
(https://img.fae.ro/728a46.jpeg)
Lets take it one at a time:
Anthony Pierpont:
(https://i.pinimg.com/280x280_RS/f5/71/1f/f5711fc800da5d70de48a4eadcf5ac10.jpg)
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2005/panzerfaust-collapses-amid-aryan-purity-debate (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2005/panzerfaust-collapses-amid-aryan-purity-debate)
Sorry, but mexican born doesn't mean brown you racist.
Dan Burros:
(https://www.guioteca.com/mitos-y-enigmas/files/2021/07/Burros-2.jpg)
Looks mighty white to me, because being Jew doesn't make you a "person of color".
Nicky Crane
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5649a3efe4b0460e19c4f2cf/1530701617962-0NMZHENR9PHNUCZUKGWG/LaEuo7v.jpg)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Trump
So you're an imbecile yet again.
This is just a super depressing thread. I went to Gen Con back around 2006 or 2007, and I would have liked to go back again if the chance arose. But not now. They just seem like a super hostile environment.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 19, 2021, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 18, 2021, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 18, 2021, 10:46:59 PM
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".
White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.
And they do it "unironically".
So, you consider the activities you listed as equal to *checks notes* flashing racist symbols? Interesting...
So you consider anything 4chan says it's a racist symbol to be one? Interesting...
And by interesting I mean how stupid of you.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 19, 2021, 03:12:17 AM
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
It was a masterful troll, because everyone has used the OK symbol at one point or another. That was the point.
(https://thefourthestate.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/obama_1822024c.jpg)
Next you'll be telling us that drinking milk is a symbol of white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28
No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.
From what I can tell, it's an intentional mockery of the gullibility of people seeing racism in an OK gesture.
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/6377012/bami1020
If indeed is merely gullibility and not something more malicious and willfully deceptive, aka an attempt at libel/slander.
Could be some from column A and some from column B.
You have people like Tubesnake who see raycissts EVERYWHERE.
And then you have people who deliberately use such hysteria to further whatever plans they have.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on September 19, 2021, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of.
This is the first I've heard of it. Could you provide us with some examples as verification of your claim?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 19, 2021, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.
Quote from: DM_Curt on September 19, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops. Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.
Or, maybe we are being lied to.
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Bold to remark your stupidity.
But I'm the dumbass...
Yeah, you're a dumbass.
(https://img.fae.ro/f42412.jpeg)
The guy on the right is Anthony Pierpont. He's shown here at a neo-nazi concert. Pierpont, who is obviously not white, owned Panzerfaust Records, which was, for a time, one of the largest, if not the largest and most successful "white power" record labels in the country. There was considerable debate even then (1998-2005) about whether Pierpont was actually white. He had his defenders in that scene, but he also had his detractors, and many were quick to point out that he always had a very good "tan". None of that, however, kept him or his label from being successful. Pierpont himself was outspoken about his racist views, and support for neo-nazi ideology. Pierpont, who was adopted, was eventually made persona non grata in WN circles after someone found a copy of his birth certificate, which showed, unsurprisingly, that he had been born in Mexico to Mexican parents.
Or how about a Jewish Nazi? Dan Burros was a high ranking member of the American Nazi Party, who committed suicide in 1965 after a newspaper reporter revealed Burros' Jewish heritage.
It's not just people of color who become unlikely nazis. Nicky Crane was a well-known and well-connected British skinhead, with a reputation as a fearsome and capable brawler. In the 80s, he associated closely with Skrewdriver, one of the biggest skinhead bands of all time. He committed many violent attacks, even serving a 4-year prison sentence as the result of one. He came out as gay in the early 90s, which apparently shocked his racist comrades, even though Crane had appeared in gay porn and marched in a 1986 gay pride parade in London, all while still an active member of the neo-nazi movement.
This whole idea that someone is "exempt" from being racist because of their color, creed or orientation is BS, and some hate groups even use this "tokenism" as cover.
Edit: there's also "Bianca Trump", former porn actress (real name Wendy Iwanow) a buxom, brown-skinned beauty once billed as "The Latin Princess of Porn", who reinvented herself as a tattoo artist and neo-nazi. She was busted on outstanding warrants in the company of a well-known (in that milieu) racist "Pastor".
There are bound to be more, these are just the ones I know off the top of my head, and you get the idea...
(https://img.fae.ro/728a46.jpeg)
So, you are trying to atone for your racist past, eh? Because I'm pretty sure you are the only person on this board who knows who the hell any of those people are. Either you are a former racist (there's no one so against drinking as a former alcoholic) or you are obsessed with them. Only the dog can hear the dogwhistle...
I do not apologize to the Portuguese for my ancestors eating Magellan. If anything, I owe them a debt of gratitude for introducing lungo porco preto to my diet. Delicious.
Quote from: tenbones on September 20, 2021, 11:07:15 AM
I do not apologize to the Portuguese for my ancestors eating Magellan. If anything, I owe them a debt of gratitude for introducing lungo porco preto to my diet. Delicious.
LOL, in barbecue if I remember correctly?
Here' as far as I know, no spanish was eaten, but plenty of other tribes got eaten by the Aztecs... In Pozole.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 20, 2021, 11:09:04 AM
Quote from: tenbones on September 20, 2021, 11:07:15 AM
I do not apologize to the Portuguese for my ancestors eating Magellan. If anything, I owe them a debt of gratitude for introducing lungo porco preto to my diet. Delicious.
LOL, in barbecue if I remember correctly?
Here' as far as I know, no spanish was eaten, but plenty of other tribes got eaten by the Aztecs... In Pozole.
The Philippines mastery of cooking pork is not well known outside of foodie circles. I SUSPECT it was introduced by the Spanish (which is not coincidentally why you and I are probably distant cousins - we're the Island incarnation of Mexico, you'd be surprised how many Filipinos in metro-Manila speak Spanish). But once pigs were introduced... holy shit, filipinos done gone wild.
This is why I'm considering running for office here in Texas. I'll get the rural and 2A vote by solving the illegal immigration problem as well as the runaway wild-pig problem. I'll import filipinos to hunt down all the pigs and humans (ethnic origin is irrelevant as that just means different flavors) and we'll consume them all.
Naturally 2A would be something to gather around to help make things more efficient. But we can always go back to blowguns, javelins and combat yo-yo's if we have to. That's modern efficiency - 3 major problems solved at once.
I *highly* recommend if anyone gets the chance to partake of Filipino Lechon. It's fire roasted spitted pork... and it's *droooool* delicious.
https://youtu.be/w0PXewqhaGk
I think Magellan was cooked like that. That's what I heard.
Honestly as it pertains to GenCon - their management puts them on the Red List.
I wouldn't give them a dollar of mine. I'd rather support VengerCon or any other convention that actually wants to put gaming ahead of political bullshit.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on September 20, 2021, 10:19:31 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on September 19, 2021, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of.
This is the first I've heard of it. Could you provide us with some examples as verification of your claim?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 19, 2021, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.
Quote from: DM_Curt on September 19, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops. Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.
Or, maybe we are being lied to.
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Bold to remark your stupidity.
But I'm the dumbass...
Yeah, you're a dumbass.
(https://img.fae.ro/f42412.jpeg)
The guy on the right is Anthony Pierpont. He's shown here at a neo-nazi concert. Pierpont, who is obviously not white, owned Panzerfaust Records, which was, for a time, one of the largest, if not the largest and most successful "white power" record labels in the country. There was considerable debate even then (1998-2005) about whether Pierpont was actually white. He had his defenders in that scene, but he also had his detractors, and many were quick to point out that he always had a very good "tan". None of that, however, kept him or his label from being successful. Pierpont himself was outspoken about his racist views, and support for neo-nazi ideology. Pierpont, who was adopted, was eventually made persona non grata in WN circles after someone found a copy of his birth certificate, which showed, unsurprisingly, that he had been born in Mexico to Mexican parents.
Or how about a Jewish Nazi? Dan Burros was a high ranking member of the American Nazi Party, who committed suicide in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Felton1965 after a newspaper reporter revealed Burros' Jewish heritage.
It's not just people of color who become unlikely nazis. Nicky Crane was a well-known and well-connected British skinhead, with a reputation as a fearsome and capable brawler. In the 80s, he associated closely with Skrewdriver, one of the biggest skinhead bands of all time. He committed many violent attacks, even serving a 4-year prison sentence as the result of one. He came out as gay in the early 90s, which apparently shocked his racist comrades, even though Crane had appeared in gay porn and marched in a 1986 gay pride parade in London, all while still an active member of the neo-nazi movement.
This whole idea that someone is "exempt" from being racist because of their color, creed or orientation is BS, and some hate groups even use this "tokenism" as cover.
Edit: there's also "Bianca Trump", former porn actress (real name Wendy Iwanow) a buxom, brown-skinned beauty once billed as "The Latin Princess of Porn", who reinvented herself as a tattoo artist and neo-nazi. She was busted on outstanding warrants in the company of a well-known (in that milieu) racist "Pastor".
There are bound to be more, these are just the ones I know off the top of my head, and you get the idea...
(https://img.fae.ro/728a46.jpeg)
So, you are trying to atone for your racist past, eh? Because I'm pretty sure you are the only person on this board who knows who the hell any of those people are. Either you are a former racist (there's no one so against drinking as a former alcoholic) or you are obsessed with them. Only the dog can hear the dogwhistle...
By this logic, all homicide detectives are murderers. Or "true crime" enthusiasts. All those reddit threads, just filled with murderers, why haven't the cops arrested them? You're a fuckin' idiot. You are aware that there are entire organizations, such as the SPLC, ADL and numerous antifascist organizations and accounts on social media who make it their mission to catalog racist activity, and doxx these people?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 20, 2021, 01:17:49 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on September 19, 2021, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of.
This is the first I've heard of it. Could you provide us with some examples as verification of your claim?
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 19, 2021, 08:26:08 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM
No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.
Quote from: DM_Curt on September 19, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops. Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.
Or, maybe we are being lied to.
Anthony pierpont prison photo
To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.
Bold to remark your stupidity.
But I'm the dumbass...
Yeah, you're a dumbass.
(https://img.fae.ro/f42412.jpeg)
The guy on the right is Anthony Pierpont. He's shown here at a neo-nazi concert. Pierpont, who is obviously not white, owned Panzerfaust Records, which was, for a time, one of the largest, if not the largest and most successful "white power" record labels in the country. There was considerable debate even then (1998-2005) about whether Pierpont was actually white. He had his defenders in that scene, but he also had his detractors, and many were quick to point out that he always had a very good "tan". None of that, however, kept him or his label from being successful. Pierpont himself was outspoken about his racist views, and support for neo-nazi ideology. Pierpont, who was adopted, was eventually made persona non grata in WN circles after someone found a copy of his birth certificate, which showed, unsurprisingly, that he had been born in Mexico to Mexican parents.
Or how about a Jewish Nazi? Dan Burros was a high ranking member of the American Nazi Party, who committed suicide in 1965 after a newspaper reporter revealed Burros' Jewish heritage.
It's not just people of color who become unlikely nazis. Nicky Crane was a well-known and well-connected British skinhead, with a reputation as a fearsome and capable brawler. In the 80s, he associated closely with Skrewdriver, one of the biggest skinhead bands of all time. He committed many violent attacks, even serving a 4-year prison sentence as the result of one. He came out as gay in the early 90s, which apparently shocked his racist comrades, even though Crane had appeared in gay porn and marched in a 1986 gay pride parade in London, all while still an active member of the neo-nazi movement.
This whole idea that someone is "exempt" from being racist because of their color, creed or orientation is BS, and some hate groups even use this "tokenism" as cover.
Edit: there's also "Bianca Trump", former porn actress (real name Wendy Iwanow) a buxom, brown-skinned beauty once billed as "The Latin Princess of Porn", who reinvented herself as a tattoo artist and neo-nazi. She was busted on outstanding warrants in the company of a well-known (in that milieu) racist "Pastor".
There are bound to be more, these are just the ones I know off the top of my head, and you get the idea...
(https://img.fae.ro/728a46.jpeg)
Lets take it one at a time:
Anthony Pierpont:
(https://i.pinimg.com/280x280_RS/f5/71/1f/f5711fc800da5d70de48a4eadcf5ac10.jpg)
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2005/panzerfaust-collapses-amid-aryan-purity-debate (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2005/panzerfaust-collapses-amid-aryan-purity-debate)
Sorry, but mexican born doesn't mean brown you racist.
Dan Burros:
(https://www.guioteca.com/mitos-y-enigmas/files/2021/07/Burros-2.jpg)
Looks mighty white to me, because being Jew doesn't make you a "person of color".
Nicky Crane
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5649a3efe4b0460e19c4f2cf/1530701617962-0NMZHENR9PHNUCZUKGWG/LaEuo7v.jpg)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Trump
So you're an imbecile yet again.
I honestly can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse, or if you're just this fucking stupid. I'm leaning towards "stupid".
Pierpont is, by his own admission, and obviously to anyone with a set of eyes, not white. I don't know why you're so wedded to the narrative that only whites are capable of hatemongering. Is it because you just can't stand to be proven wrong on the internet? Get over yourself.
Obviously Dan Burros was "white", but that doesn't change the fact that a Jewish nazi makes about as much sense as a hispanic Skinhead. Yet, there they were. Nicky Crane was included because, as a gay man, he would not have been allowed to openly be who he was in neo-nazi circles, yet there he was.
Wendy Woronow may be an edge case, but she is at the very least Italian, and Italians are not considered white by many neo-nazis. None of this undermines or disproves my point that non-white people can, do and have joined and/or supported neo-nazi organizations. Not sure what kind of "gotcha" you think you've achieved here, or what point you're trying to make. You just seem dumb.
Since you seem especially dense, and may need things repeated to you multiple times, read the Wikipedia entry for Leo Felton, half-black neo-nazi organizer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Felton
How about Jack Van Tongeren, Australian neo-nazi of partially Asian descent known for specifically targeting Asians with hate crimes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_van_Tongeren
Do you have a humiliation fetish or something? Because man, it seems like you REALLY enjoy being proven wrong. I don't know why you're so opposed to the acknowledging the reality that white supremacy movements attract mentally ill losers, but it's a fact. Hate to break it to you.
Edit: there are other white nationalists who have been outed as Jews as well, but you get the idea (I hope)...
Let's be sure to keep this to the topic of gaming, not white supremacist movements in general, or Filipino pork (which is admittedly delicious).
Quote from: tenbones on September 20, 2021, 11:07:15 AM
I do not apologize to the Portuguese for my ancestors eating Magellan. If anything, I owe them a debt of gratitude for introducing lungo porco preto to my diet. Delicious.
This reminds me that I should apologise for Cristoforo Colombo (correct Italian spelling) for kickstarting the colonization of the Americas and providing some early examples of the "Europeans vs. Natives" massacres.
There is a whole list of lamentations against TGG on BGG. Maybe the answer is in there.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2724788/tgg-negative-experiences-and-controversies
Regarding the "OK" sign, over here it never was associated with Fascists, Nazis and the like. It only has the positive meaning, which can be ironic when someone screws up. One can, literally, say "Yup, the OK sign is a Nazi symbol. Well researched!" while making the OK sign to deride something that is anything but.
The TwAtteraty often forget how many of their things only exist in the English speaking world. It would be really embarrassing for someone at a Con asking me "Are you happy with your accommodations?" only for me to answer with the OK sign and ending up being escorted outside the premises without having a clue as why.
Quote from: GeekEclectic on September 20, 2021, 01:39:35 AM
This is just a super depressing thread. I went to Gen Con back around 2006 or 2007, and I would have liked to go back again if the chance arose. But not now. They just seem like a super hostile environment.
Last time I went to Gen Con was 2017 and I can't say I have any desire to return. Didn't notice much "wokeness" at the time but it's just too big for my tastes. Worth visiting for the spectacle, but not something I'd want to do more than once a decade or so (or less now, given their leftward shift). Not to mention, trying to register for events is a huge PitA. I used to go fairly regularly when they were in Milwaukee, but it was smaller then (though still the biggest gaming convention around).
These days I prefer smaller cons, like Gary Con or Gamehole. As they've grown they've started catering more to the left, but so far it's not too bad.
Quote from: Reckall on September 21, 2021, 06:15:40 AM
There is a whole list of lamentations against TGG on BGG. Maybe the answer is in there.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2724788/tgg-negative-experiences-and-controversies
Regarding the "OK" sign, over here it never was associated with Fascists, Nazis and the like. It only has the positive meaning, which can be ironic when someone screws up. One can, literally, say "Yup, the OK sign is a Nazi symbol. Well researched!" while making the OK sign to deride something that is anything but.
The TwAtteraty often forget how many of their things only exist in the English speaking world. It would be really embarrassing for someone at a Con asking me "Are you happy with your accommodations?" only for me to answer with the OK sign and ending up being escorted outside the premises without having a clue as why.
The OK hand signal comes from SCUBA diving so divers could nonverbally and visually at a distance in compromised visibility quickly indicate that were alright and their equipment was functioning as expected, that they had enough air to continue the dive, etc.
Thumbs up means " I need to surface" or "let's end the dive right now" so divers needed something else to say " I'm fine, it's all good."
From there it spread to people working in loud environments like airports or at a distance in a place where shouting was not the best option, like a foreman on a balcony looking down at the factory floor asking if the broken lathe was working and set up properly again. For a lot of people it is a nonverbal synonym to thumps up thought it began as a replacement for it in a system where thumbs up meant the functional opposite.
Goes back even further than that. Martin Van Buren was known as Old Kinderhook (his hometown). The OK symbol goes back to a campaign sign in 1840.
Jeff Bergen and The Gaming Goat have now been banned from Origins (https://www.boardgamequest.com/jeff-bergren-and-the-gaming-goat-games-have-been-expelled-from-origins-as-an-exhibitor/)
Quote from: Joey2k on September 27, 2021, 03:14:15 PM
Jeff Bergen and The Gaming Goat have now been banned from Origins (https://www.boardgamequest.com/jeff-bergren-and-the-gaming-goat-games-have-been-expelled-from-origins-as-an-exhibitor/)
GAMA's statement:
"We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants reported or caught violating this policy may be expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.
Harassment is any unwanted contact, which includes (but is not limited to): physical or verbal threats; unwelcome attention; stalking; unwanted photography or recording; offensive behavior; use of physical force; behavior that creates a disturbance or is dangerous; using sexually explicit or offensive language or conduct; excessive profanity; obscene gestures; use of racial, religious, sexual, political, gender, ability, ethnic slurs, or any other targeted comments which are intended to cause personal offense to another Origins participant, either in-person at the event or through social media channels."
Based on numerous instances brought to the attention of the GAMA organization, including on the GAMA Member Facebook page, the Board has determined that the actions of both Jeff Bergren and TGG-Games is in violation of this code of conduct and they have been expelled from the show as an exhibitor."
The ball is in Bergren's court at this point. Unless he was actively being a harassing twit (which he may have been, I don't know), he should explore legal action (especially as the above remarks could be construed as defamatory).
I would also like to note that the link Joey2K supplied also has a link to a BoardGameGeek page that details Bergren's failings (whether these accounts are true or not is another question; I haven't had the chance to review it -- yet).
Also, regarding the BGG link: next time one of our resident lily-livered wussies wants to whinge about Ocule's list, point them to that link and ask them if what's sauce for the goose is good for the gander.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 27, 2021, 03:47:49 PM
Also, regarding the BGG link: next time one of our resident lily-livered wussies wants to whinge about Ocule's list, point them to that link and ask them if what's sauce for the goose is good for the gander.
You think people like Tubesnake worry about what happens to people that they have classified as Nazis?
What are the stats for the leather reins they used to whip him from horseback as they escorted him out? And were they white horses? That would have been awkward. And were they war-horses? because if so, did they remember their horses can attack too?
As a side note, my local Gaming Goat franchise has severed its relationship with TGG and is now Night Owl Games ::)
Quote from: Shasarak on September 27, 2021, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 27, 2021, 03:47:49 PM
Also, regarding the BGG link: next time one of our resident lily-livered wussies wants to whinge about Ocule's list, point them to that link and ask them if what's sauce for the goose is good for the gander.
You think people like Tubesnake worry about what happens to people that they have classified as Nazis?
Not really, but it's useful to pick out people for later shunning.
Like I said: what's sauce for the goose...
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 27, 2021, 05:38:02 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 27, 2021, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 27, 2021, 03:47:49 PM
Also, regarding the BGG link: next time one of our resident lily-livered wussies wants to whinge about Ocule's list, point them to that link and ask them if what's sauce for the goose is good for the gander.
You think people like Tubesnake worry about what happens to people that they have classified as Nazis?
Not really, but it's useful to pick out people for later shunning.
Like I said: what's sauce for the goose...
Why wait for later shunning when you can get your shunning in right now?
Quote from: Tubesock Army on September 20, 2021, 11:45:50 AMYou are aware that there are entire organizations, such as the SPLC, ADL and numerous antifascist organizations and accounts on social media who make it their mission to catalog racist activity, and doxx these people?
And these "entire organizations" are retarded human garbage that deserve a bullet.
Quote from: tenbones on September 20, 2021, 11:36:59 AMI'd rather support VengerCon or any other convention that actually wants to put gaming ahead of political bullshit.
I hope VengerCon is a huge success.
As I've said before, we need segregation in our hobby. Each side needs their own cons. I have zero interest in going to GenCon or Origins again.
Quote from: Melan on September 15, 2021, 04:03:57 PMAm I to understand that you can now rent a stand at GenCon, then get thrown out (without a refund?) due to an Internet-based hate campaign?
Yes. GenCon controls GenCon. Much like Master Blaster and Bartertown in Mad Max, and yes GenCon can be dealt with the same way.
Quote from: Melan on September 15, 2021, 04:03:57 PMHow is that not breach of contract?
Probably not because I've heard from multiple vendors over the years how draconian the GenCon vendor agreements have become because they know how GenCon can make or break a game company.
Quote from: Melan on September 15, 2021, 04:03:57 PMHow can you do business with GenCon after one similar event?
Anyone who does business with GenCon either supports the SJW bullshit (and imagines they can't ever be cancelled), or is just trying to sell games and hopes they don't get cancelled. Both are just playing roulette.
Quote from: Melan on September 15, 2021, 04:03:57 PMWould you invest your time and money in participating?
Fuck no.
Bergren is apparently still a a member of GAMA, as is his associate Jon Del-Arroz, a writer known for having made some controversial statements. This was discovered recently, and GAMA has suspended both men for 28 days, pending review and discussions with legal:
https://twitter.com/TheGAMAOnline/status/1521942891173720065
Quote from: Tubesock Army on May 05, 2022, 12:47:42 PM
Bergren is apparently still a a member of GAMA, as is his associate Jon Del-Arroz, a writer known for having made some controversial statements.
Here is the tweet that, according to GAMA, constitutes "Hate speech and bullying"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR9iBAZUcAAICUg?format=jpg&name=medium)
Okay, I'm not doing the guilt by association here okay?
Back in the #ComicsGate days Vox Day and Jon del Arroz tried to insert themselves and co-opt the thing, we nerds kicked them both out.
Why? You might ask. Well, for those of you who haven't had the pleasure of dealing with Vox Day he's a honest go God member of the Alt-Right, and (unless he has denounced them?) so was Jon del Arroz. Arguing with the latter about why I didn't want anything to do with them I told him I was too white for the SJWs and not white enough for the Alt-Right. Jon told me they did consider me to be white.
Pay close attention, he didn't deny his association with them, he told me the Alt-Right considered me to be white.
So Jon hasn't made some controversial statements, he is (or was) a full on white supremacist.
This doesn't make whoever associates with him one too.
That's all I have to say about this subject.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2022, 03:18:24 PMWhy? You might ask. Well, for those of you who haven't had the pleasure of dealing with Vox Day he's a honest go God member of the Alt-Right, and (unless he has denounced them?) so was Jon del Arroz. Arguing with the latter about why I didn't want anything to do with them I told him I was too white for the SJWs and not white enough for the Alt-Right. Jon told me they did consider me to be white.
Pay close attention, he didn't deny his association with them, he told me the Alt-Right considered me to be white.
Or JDA just doesn't play the "If you don't denounce whoever I tell you to denounce then you support them 100%" bullshit. JDA has said dozens of times that while he and Vox are business partners and personal friends, they don't share the same political positions. I mean, that used the be the norm but now it is verboten.
Also, Worldcon called JDA a "racist" and JDA sued them for defamation. Worldcon ended up issuing an apology and paying him damages.
https://sfsfc.org/worldcon-76-sfsfc-and-jon-del-arroz-settle-suit/
Of course, the SJWs have learned their lesson and now use totally subjective terms like "bullying" and "harassing" to ban people.
Hmmm...wonder why GAMA deleted their twitter account only a couple hours later? My bet is it is totally unrelated.
Quote from: hedgehobbit on May 05, 2022, 04:30:46 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2022, 03:18:24 PMWhy? You might ask. Well, for those of you who haven't had the pleasure of dealing with Vox Day he's a honest go God member of the Alt-Right, and (unless he has denounced them?) so was Jon del Arroz. Arguing with the latter about why I didn't want anything to do with them I told him I was too white for the SJWs and not white enough for the Alt-Right. Jon told me they did consider me to be white.
Pay close attention, he didn't deny his association with them, he told me the Alt-Right considered me to be white.
Or JDA just doesn't play the "If you don't denounce whoever I tell you to denounce then you support them 100%" bullshit. JDA has said dozens of times that while he and Vox are business partners and personal friends, they don't share the same political positions. I mean, that used the be the norm but now it is verboten.
Also, Worldcon called JDA a "racist" and JDA sued them for defamation. Worldcon ended up issuing an apology and paying him damages.
https://sfsfc.org/worldcon-76-sfsfc-and-jon-del-arroz-settle-suit/
Of course, the SJWs have learned their lesson and now use totally subjective terms like "bullying" and "harassing" to ban people.
What part of JdA was trying to recruit me for the Alt-Right you didn't understand?
If he no longer shares those beliefs fine with me, redemption is a thing.
No, it wasn't because Vox was his publisher, but you already knew all of that and are just being disingenuos.
Quote from: Marcelus14 on September 16, 2021, 07:26:33 PM
I could be mistaken here, but the frog thing may just be heresay.
I am not denying people got angry about the frog but am saying that gencon may have other issues with Jeff. One issue that's been pointed out was him taking pictures of himself in The GenCon space setting up without a mask, which is against their policy.
Again I'm not entirely sure and I'm not here to say anyone is wrong as much as point out that there is a bit more to the story than just the frog.
BGG was bitching about another game for the same reason at least a month ago. How Wacist! the frog is. Oh Noes!
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 18, 2021, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
One that's not a pepe cartoon
Two the OK symbol was a 4chan troll and you all fell for it.
Three by your logic anything that has been used/liked by ethnonationalists should never be used by anyone else even in the most remote likeness.
Hitler liked dogs and was a vegetarian. Now go pester dog owners and vegetarians for their nazi association...
You have to remember that Trench here proports to be a "good SJW" but at every turn shows himself to be anything but and is usually at the forefront of defending whatever the fuck hallucinations his fellow cult member have proclaimed today.
Quote from: palaeomerus on September 21, 2021, 07:18:32 PM
The OK hand signal comes from SCUBA diving so divers could nonverbally and visually at a distance in compromised visibility quickly indicate that were alright and their equipment was functioning as expected, that they had enough air to continue the dive, etc.
Off topic but it is also one of the basic sign language gestures. For W.
Quote from: Omega on May 05, 2022, 06:41:10 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 18, 2021, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: trechriron on September 18, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
One that's not a pepe cartoon
Two the OK symbol was a 4chan troll and you all fell for it.
Three by your logic anything that has been used/liked by ethnonationalists should never be used by anyone else even in the most remote likeness.
Hitler liked dogs and was a vegetarian. Now go pester dog owners and vegetarians for their nazi association...
You have to remember that Trench here proports to be a "good SJW" but at every turn shows himself to be anything but and is usually ate the forefront of defending whatever the fuck hallucinations his fellow cult member have proclaimed today.
I'm very much aware of trechiron's ways.