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It seems like we're really getting 5.5e in 2024

Started by Eric Diaz, September 26, 2021, 09:53:18 PM

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Rob Necronomicon

#30
September 27, 2021, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: Reckall on September 27, 2021, 11:04:31 AM
ICv2 seems to be of the same opinion.

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/47054/rolling-initiative-a-case-possible-sale-wizards-coast-being-horizon

What would that mean for the game, if sold. Would it just be business as usual. with the new owner keeping the production team and just letting them get on with it? Or would it slow down?
Attack-minded and dangerously so - W.E. Fairbairn.
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Thorn Drumheller

#31
September 27, 2021, 05:19:28 PM
What I think will happen is folks will still be bitching about the Ranger five years from now LOL  ;D
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Shrieking Banshee

#32
September 27, 2021, 05:25:44 PM Last Edit: September 27, 2021, 05:27:17 PM by Shrieking Banshee
D&D 5e in my opinion is the worst edition of the game. The most safe, boring, mediocre game of them all. It excels at nothing and fails at all the things D&D normally fails at. Unless they plan to fix its dishwater dull maths and core assumptions its a hard pass.

Savage Worlds is where its at for me.

Edit: And Im not buying products from a company that holds me in contempt regardless.

wmarshal

#33
September 27, 2021, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on September 27, 2021, 05:25:44 PM
D&D 5e in my opinion is the worst edition of the game. The most safe, boring, mediocre game of them all. It excels at nothing and fails at all the things D&D normally fails at. Unless they plan to fix its dishwater dull maths and core assumptions its a hard pass.

Savage Worlds is where its at for me.
Weird. I like Savage Worlds and 5E, as well as ACKS and SWN. (GURPS is alright.) However, I doubt I'll be buying anything more of 5E. I've got enough, and it seems that WOTC just wants to trash the existing game/settings in the name of being Woke. I shudder to think of what they'll attempt to do with Greyhawk.

Shasarak

#34
September 27, 2021, 05:45:58 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on September 27, 2021, 05:25:44 PM
D&D 5e in my opinion is the worst edition of the game. The most safe, boring, mediocre game of them all. It excels at nothing and fails at all the things D&D normally fails at. Unless they plan to fix its dishwater dull maths and core assumptions its a hard pass.

Savage Worlds is where its at for me.

Edit: And Im not buying products from a company that holds me in contempt regardless.

Second worst for me
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

Shrieking Banshee

#35
September 27, 2021, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 27, 2021, 05:45:58 PMSecond worst for me

I know plenty of people hate 4e, but design wise its got allot of good ideas (including ones good for grognards otherwise so many of its ideas wouldn't have carried over to SWN & WWN). It was let down more by its bad ideas.

I as a person value good ideas over my let down by bad ideas. 4e was misguided but had good ideas. 5es good ideas are mangled & weakened versions of what other editions did better before, and its bad ideas are its own.

Aglondir

#36
September 27, 2021, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: Eric Diaz on September 27, 2021, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: Aglondir on September 26, 2021, 10:14:40 PM
What's wrong with the Champion?

There is a link inside the link. Basically, it is too weak when compared to battlemaster or eldrtitch knight, not to mention paladin etc.

https://methodsetmadness.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-champion-5e.html

The idea is not doing a complete overhaul; just the minimum changes necessary to make it closer to the Battlemaster in damage output (and give it some out of combat utility), without adding much complexity, so the the Champion remains the "simple fighter".

I think a couple of small changes at levels 3 and 7 might be enough. This is because Improved Critical and Remarkable Athlete are especially weak; if we fix them early on, we fix the entire subclass.

Excellent work. I haven't played 5E enough to know how the Champion compares to its peers, but your analysis sounds right. I also like your analysis of the feats. And the tripping the gelatinous cube issue. But I gave up on 5E due to the poor skill system.

Mistwell

#37
September 27, 2021, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 26, 2021, 11:15:35 PM
New edition, eh?  I knew Wizards could not resist that sweet sweet new edition money.

I remember when those WotC shills were drinking the ever green cool-aid.  Good times

How is "backwards compatible" not evergreen?

Mistwell

#38
September 27, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on September 27, 2021, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: Eric Diaz on September 27, 2021, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: Aglondir on September 26, 2021, 10:14:40 PM
What's wrong with the Champion?

There is a link inside the link. Basically, it is too weak when compared to battlemaster or eldrtitch knight, not to mention paladin etc.

https://methodsetmadness.blogspot.com/2021/07/my-champion-5e.html

The idea is not doing a complete overhaul; just the minimum changes necessary to make it closer to the Battlemaster in damage output (and give it some out of combat utility), without adding much complexity, so the the Champion remains the "simple fighter".

I think a couple of small changes at levels 3 and 7 might be enough. This is because Improved Critical and Remarkable Athlete are especially weak; if we fix them early on, we fix the entire subclass.

I play champions almost exclusively, and currently have two of them in active games. I agree in a standard 5e game they may fall behind the power curve, however, as long as feats are permitted they are an extremely flexible class. And if custom backgrounds are allowed, even better.

If you are playing in a campaign that is going to kill Tiamat or whatever lunacy WotC has cooked up, 100% agree. If you can find a game with more grounded fantasy I only half agree. Champions are fine, but battle masters and eldritch knights ARE stronger :)

Agreed. Nothing at all wrong with Champion.

Mistwell

#39
September 27, 2021, 06:18:17 PM Last Edit: September 27, 2021, 06:19:52 PM by Mistwell
Quote from: Reckall on September 27, 2021, 11:04:31 AM
ICv2 seems to be of the same opinion.

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/47054/rolling-initiative-a-case-possible-sale-wizards-coast-being-horizon

That was before Hasbro decided to instead elevate the importance of WOTC to their core, and put more of their stuff under WOTC control. This due to the fact almost every aspect of Hasbro went down in value and sales other than WOTC products.

Now if the D&D movie tanks, that could be a different story. But if it does even just "OK" I'd expect Hasbro to become even more of The-WOTC-Company.

Jam The MF

#40
September 27, 2021, 07:42:38 PM
I don't need new core books for D&D 5E.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Armchair Gamer

#41
September 27, 2021, 07:53:40 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on September 27, 2021, 07:42:38 PM
I don't need new core books for D&D 5E.

  What you said, minus "new core books for".  ;D

Shasarak

#42
September 27, 2021, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on September 27, 2021, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 27, 2021, 05:45:58 PMSecond worst for me

I know plenty of people hate 4e, but design wise its got allot of good ideas (including ones good for grognards otherwise so many of its ideas wouldn't have carried over to SWN & WWN). It was let down more by its bad ideas.

I as a person value good ideas over my let down by bad ideas. 4e was misguided but had good ideas. 5es good ideas are mangled & weakened versions of what other editions did better before, and its bad ideas are its own.

I am not claiming that my hatred is logical.  I am sure that it has lots of good ideas and probably loves its mother too.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

Shrieking Banshee

#43
September 27, 2021, 08:14:49 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 27, 2021, 08:09:26 PMI am not claiming that my hatred is logical. 

And im not claiming your hate is illogical. It has PLENTY to hate. I just personally prefer flawed products with good or novel ideas (Star Wars Prequels) over shiny polished things with no new ideas (Star Wars Sequels).
There are many things from 4e I crib because their good ideas. There is precisely 1 idea I crib from 5e and everything else isn't even compitent.

QuoteI am sure that it has lots of good ideas and probably loves its mother too.

It does, but the house it bought for her was with money it got from selling drugs. =P

DM_Curt

#44
September 27, 2021, 08:16:47 PM
I skipped 3e, 3.5 and 4e.  By that pattern, I can skip 5.5e, 6e and 7e, right?  :P
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