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Is 5e really going to be called D&D Next???

Started by Spinachcat, February 05, 2014, 02:45:28 AM

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Exploderwizard

#45
February 07, 2014, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: Bill;729816What about "Return of the DM" ?

After all, 4E removed the dm.....

4E (and 3E) did NOT remove the DM. Anyone who has run these systems can tell you.  The rulebooks merely shoved a hand up the DM's ass and declared: "you are my puppet."
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Archangel Fascist

#46
February 07, 2014, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;7298224E (and 3E) did NOT remove the DM. Anyone who has run these systems can tell you.  The rulebooks merely shoved a hand up the DM's ass and declared: "you are my puppet."

I think the whole idea was ultimately less "you are my puppet" and more "here are rules for EVERYTHING, use them if you need them."  Because of the Internet and character optimizers, this got turned into YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND LET ME DO THIS WITH MY CHARACTER.

Shipyard Locked

#47
February 07, 2014, 01:22:12 PM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;729731I'd watch D&D Babies though!

Teen D&D could be fun if done right

Here you go :p -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085011/?ref_=fn_al_tt_7

YourSwordisMine

#48
February 07, 2014, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;729869Here you go :p -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085011/?ref_=fn_al_tt_7



I said done right...
Quote from: ExploderwizardStarting out as fully formed awesome and riding the awesome train across a flat plane to awesome town just doesn\'t feel like D&D. :)

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Sacrosanct

#49
February 07, 2014, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;729885I said done right...

I actually think that cartoon held up better than GI Joe and Transformers.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Opaopajr

#50
February 07, 2014, 02:47:55 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;729820Ha!  Funny coincidence.  I say "Revenge of the DM", and you said "Return of the DM" for the same reasons.  Just like how it was originally "Revenge of the Jedi" and then went to "Return of the Jedi".  :D

Let's split the difference and just go with a play on the pinnacle of that franchise's titles, D&D: the GM Strikes Back.

That said there's always the energy drink tie-ins for mo' money. D&D can work something out with one of them, right? (Wandering) Monster, (PC Build) Rockstar, (Tangency) Go Girl!... one of 'em has gotta work.
Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
You know, people keep comparing non-TSR D&D to deck-building in Magic: the Gathering. But maybe it\'s more like Katamari Damacy. You keep sticking shit on your characters until they are big enough to be a star.
-- talysman

Emperor Norton

#51
February 07, 2014, 02:53:33 PM Last Edit: February 07, 2014, 02:55:55 PM by Emperor Norton
Quote from: Sacrosanct;729886I actually think that cartoon held up better than GI Joe and Transformers.

As a huge fan of both GI Joe and Transformers... man those are terrible cartoons. (The Marvel Comics for both were a lot better. And the more modern comics for both are actually really good). The only part of the G1 Transformers cartoon that is worth watching is the '85 Theatrical movie.

(Speaking of which, I've been forever on the hunt for an RPG that I think does people playing transforming robots well :/)

Bill

#52
February 07, 2014, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;729820Ha!  Funny coincidence.  I say "Revenge of the DM", and you said "Return of the DM" for the same reasons.  Just like how it was originally "Revenge of the Jedi" and then went to "Return of the Jedi".  :D


Also, not just 4e.  3e made DMing way too much work than it was worth, especially trying to build up higher level NPCs.  It shift the game to torturing the DMs and implementing player entitlement (magic item wishlists, etc)

For me this is true; I started out liking 3X but slowly came to loathe it because of record keeping;etc....

Too much work for me anyway.

Sacrosanct

#53
February 07, 2014, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;729891As a huge fan of both GI Joe and Transformers... man those are terrible cartoons. (The Marvel Comics for both were a lot better. And the more modern comics for both are actually really good). The only part of the G1 Transformers cartoon that is worth watching is the '85 Theatrical movie.

(Speaking of which, I've been forever on the hunt for an RPG that I think does people playing transforming robots well :/)

I agree with all of this.  In fact, I just recently finished rereading all of my GI Joe comics (#1 to about 200 or so) and they hold up SOOOOO much better than the cartoon.  Hell, both recent movies for that matter as well.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Exploderwizard

#54
February 07, 2014, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;729885I said done right...

Whatcho talkin about?  That cartoon was awesome. I own the boxed set. :D

"Abracadavy-united states navy!!"
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Bill

#55
February 07, 2014, 03:18:36 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;7298224E (and 3E) did NOT remove the DM. Anyone who has run these systems can tell you.  The rulebooks merely shoved a hand up the DM's ass and declared: "you are my puppet."

I have dmed 4E for years.

I was really making fun of the idea that 4E removed the gm more than supporting it.

I would say, that when there is a rule for everything, including rules on how to gm, rules for 'milestones' rules for 'encounter budgets' etc.. etc...it prods many people toward 'rules are greater than the gm' mentality.

And I demand the gm be greater than the rules.

Omega

#56
February 07, 2014, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;729869Here you go :p -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085011/?ref_=fn_al_tt_7

No no. That is Teen D&D! And it was still better worlds than Young Conan. ugh

Omega

#57
February 07, 2014, 04:24:00 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;729891As a huge fan of both GI Joe and Transformers... man those are terrible cartoons. (The Marvel Comics for both were a lot better. And the more modern comics for both are actually really good). The only part of the G1 Transformers cartoon that is worth watching is the '85 Theatrical movie.

(Speaking of which, I've been forever on the hunt for an RPG that I think does people playing transforming robots well :/)

Mekton certainly can.
BESM probably can.
RIFTS if you worked on it could.

TSR was way back working on an RPG where you played robots of some sort. But it never saw light.

Gizmoduck5000

#58
February 07, 2014, 05:23:33 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;729820Also, not just 4e.  3e made DMing way too much work than it was worth, especially trying to build up higher level NPCs.  It shift the game to torturing the DMs and implementing player entitlement (magic item wishlists, etc)

I hate DMing 3E - it's like auditing your taxes. I don't know why people subject themselves to it.

Endless Flight

#59
February 07, 2014, 05:24:31 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;729891As a huge fan of both GI Joe and Transformers... man those are terrible cartoons. (The Marvel Comics for both were a lot better. And the more modern comics for both are actually really good). The only part of the G1 Transformers cartoon that is worth watching is the '85 Theatrical movie.

(Speaking of which, I've been forever on the hunt for an RPG that I think does people playing transforming robots well :/)

The Transformers Movie is overrated by a lot of people. Once Prime dies, the movie wilts until the last ten minutes when Unicron is destroyed by the Matrix.
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