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"Intrinsic Evidence that Chainmail’s Fantasy Supplement Contains Material from Dave "

Started by ArrozConLeche, December 10, 2019, 01:49:09 PM

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Shasarak

Quote from: GameDaddy;1116456With Chainmail, you were either a foot soldier, a hero (worth approximately four foot soldiers), or a superhero, a very difficult to kill leader worth approximately eight foot soldiers in battle. ...and that was it. It was April of 1971, literally a month after Chainmail was first published, and in Dave's group one of his players had a hero, who was hit just once by a Troll, and died instantly. The Player called foul, and argued that given his experience in battle, his character should not have been so easy to slay. So Dave tweaked the already existing Chainmail rules.

Good on that Player, keeping powergaming characters alive since April 1971.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

nope

Quote from: GameDaddy;1116426You do censor what you don't like, and you tell lies here right now. That's pretty ballsy, so I'm calling you out. You won't get away with this here because you can't erase this forum or move things around (same difference, when it comes down to it)  so they can no longer be easily found, ...as you can over on your own forums.

A couple things happened with this that I can specifically recall where you are at best, evading the truth concerning this. Some areas were deleted entirely and perhaps their threads were moved around into other categories, where they can possibly still be found, however these threads were originally layered in a specific chronological order, and for a very good reason. We wanted the discussions to be presented to the general public so that they would understand. With the loss of chronological order comes a a great loss in meaning and understanding as everything that was originally posted is now out of context. I'm speaking specifically about two threads/categories here the thread about Judges Guild and the Wilderlands, and Bob Bledsaw, and other threads where Rob Kuntz had been posting about original D&D. You know your little "re-arranging and housecleaning stunt" pissed off Rob so bad, he stopped posting over on your website as well. Everyone here can go over and see that for themselves, you'll see he had been posting quite a bit and then abruptly stopped in April of 2018. I myself continued posting sporadically until late 2018, but was put off at first in the late summer by the threats and allegations that were coming from that douche Rafael, over on the 0D&D proboards, and later totally quit when I could no longer find my own contributions there. No point in me posting if it won't even be seen, eh?

For the record Rafael specifically refused to share data that I requested about specific IP addresses and accounts, so I could not actually confirm for myself that you all were sock-puppeting over there, but your own actions spoke for themselves and lent him an undeserved credibility.  I ended up quitting posting on Murkhill, because I could no longer find threads that I had participated in, even using the onsite search tools, and I checked last week, many of the threads from the Wilderlands discussions are still missing or cannot be easily found (Same difference...). Rob quit posting because his threads that had a prominent place were arbitrarily moved and threads that favored the mods over there and perilous dreamer were moved into locations that were easy to find, relatively speaking compared to Robs threads. The implication with this is that Robs contribution about original D&D shouldn't be considered as meaningful as, well, ...you know, yourself, perilous dreamer and his sock puppet army, even though he was one of the original authors of D&D.

Even though I have an account on Murkhill, I don't even want to post over there anymore. Pretty much the same as Dragonsfoot, where they took all of the threads from the original D&D authors and dumped them into one little subforum on their website, reducing the contributions of the Original D&D authors there to a footnote, even though they made the website what it is today, Shame on them. Shame on you for trying to do exactly the same thing with Murkhill. I at least understand why they are doing what they are doing over there, They got their little Kingsmen's Knickers in a twist, because they want to control all the discussions and IP for "old school" roleplaying and original tabletop RPGs but they (and you as well) will fffaaaaaaaaaiiilllll!

While I'm on the subject, after the fall of G+, a bunch of us gamers migrated over to MeWe, and began posting in gaming threads over there. Not content with fucking up their own website and driving everyone off who was interested in posting about old school games, the Murkhill gang and their alleged sockpuppet army (...If there ever was one, I"d still like to see some logs with some specific usernames of supposed sock puppets attached to some specific IPs so I could independently confirm the 0D&D Proboard allegations), started a bunch of old school social network circles there, and are attempting to channel and dominate the ongoing conversations, Fortunately MeWe has a really outstanding private channel system, so it is pretty easy to evade their attempts to steer the RPG gaming conversations.

Censorship: to examine and expurgate. To assess, estimate, and judge. (From the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language)

Your job over at Murkhill as mods is not to Judge what I, or anyone else contributes. You are supposed to be the guardians of our written truths, of our opinions about RPGs, and games, and you should care about the exact nature of what we wished to convey, if we are there sharing. Anything else, is, ...well, censorship with another agenda.

You are a fucking loon. Walk away from the computer.

GameDaddy

Quote from: Antiquation!;1116465You are a fucking loon. Walk away from the computer.

Hmmm. look what my comments brought our of the woodworks. Exactly one of the douchebags I have been speaking of. You should take your own advice, because no one here here will to be told what they can, and can't post, regarding games.
Blackmoor grew from a single Castle to include, first, several adjacent Castles (with the forces of Evil lying just off the edge of the world to an entire Northern Province of the Castle and Crusade Society's Great Kingdom.

~ Dave Arneson

nope

Quote from: GameDaddy;1116467Hmmm. look what my comments brought our of the woodworks. Exactly one of the douchebags I have been speaking of. You should take your own advice, because no one here here will to be told what they can, and can't post, regarding games.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you referring to "that other thread" which you endlessly refuse to respond to me in, in which I also personally and directly defended your ability to post (despite it being unsubstantiated garbage statements of "fact")? Otherwise I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe spend some of that pent up energy knitting, or screaming into a mirror.

GameDaddy

Quote from: Antiquation!;1116468Otherwise I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe spend some of that pent up energy knitting, or screaming into a mirror.

Evidence that you haven't even been reading this thread. Why are you even commenting?
Blackmoor grew from a single Castle to include, first, several adjacent Castles (with the forces of Evil lying just off the edge of the world to an entire Northern Province of the Castle and Crusade Society's Great Kingdom.

~ Dave Arneson

nope

Quote from: GameDaddy;1116471Evidence that you haven't even been reading this thread. Why are you even commenting?

I've read the thread. If you are butthurt (which you are, clearly) that a public fucking forum got shuffled around and/or had shit deleted, then boo-hoo. Contrary to belief, nothing on the internet is forever. Back it up locally, write a fucking diary, do whatever. You are assigning responsibility to people who have literally none towards you. Stop crying, stop listing definitions of words under some pretense it will alter the reality of the situation, stop twisting words to suit your narrative, stop being a fucking baby. No crimes have been committed against you. Grow up. You clearly care about the hobby a lot and that's great, but some things just HAPPEN. You are not the hobby. The hobby is owned by a fuck ton of people who will do with it what they like. Much like real life, where kids who have inherited their grand dad's photos will chuck or sell them at the earliest opportunity. All of history is a patchwork, not all of it will be remembered or kept sacred. If something is truly important to you, then YOU keep it safe.

Also noted that you did not refute the other portion of my post. Apology accepted.

GameDaddy

Quote from: Antiquation!;1116472If something is truly important to you, then YOU keep it safe.

Sure, Dickhead. I also posted publicly here so that other people would know not to waste their time posting on those websites, and forums that are just going to trash their contributions. When I refer to controlling the narrative, that is exactly what you are attempting to do here now, by discouraging me about posting about my actual experiences, ...so fuck right off.
Blackmoor grew from a single Castle to include, first, several adjacent Castles (with the forces of Evil lying just off the edge of the world to an entire Northern Province of the Castle and Crusade Society's Great Kingdom.

~ Dave Arneson

nope

Quote from: GameDaddy;1116473Sure, Dickhead. I also posted publicly here so that other people would know not to waste their time posting on those websites, and forums that are just going to trash their contributions. When I refer to controlling the narrative, that is exactly what you are attempting to do here now, by discouraging me about posting about my actual experiences, ...so fuck right off.

Post whatever you like? I'm literally just another poster, so I'm not sure what you're insinuating here. As I mentioned previously I have directly defended your ability to speak freely, which I think should count. I don't doubt being a douchebag or "Dickhead" but I don't consider myself an enemy of yours, even if I do still think you're a fucking loon and possibly a moron. I'm not sure how anything I've said qualifies as "controlling the narrative" and it seems to me you're doing more shadow boxing, but do what makes you happy I guess. If you're referring to my initial comment, it was meant more in jest with regards to your laser-focused and expansive ranting (translation "walk away from the computer because you're clearly way too personally invested in this and it hurts to read and you're stretching the limits of sensibility and credibility particularly versus the sensible and factual commentary of someone who runs the site, you sound fucking crazy and you're literally listing definitions of words and reinterpreting statements to suit your previous argument, not to mention speaking about 'jobs' you are assigning to people who have no such duty towards what you are speaking of").

I'm not even refuting anything you're posting (at least in this thread) as I have no personal relation to what you or Elborak are talking about and I have no frame of reference. But you really should take a breather.

EDIT: Also, "trashing" contributions appears to be a contentious point, looking at both yours and Elborak's posts. I'm not sure you're really warning anyone as it appears you're just being argumentative, but if that's what you think you're doing OK.

GameDaddy

Quote from: Antiquation!;1116475I'm not even refuting anything you're posting (at least in this thread) as I have no personal relation to what you or Elborak are talking about and I have no frame of reference. ... But you really should take a breather.

...you first. Because of the outright lies you tell. ^^^^^

Quote from: Antiquation!;1116475You are a fucking loon. Walk away from the computer.
Blackmoor grew from a single Castle to include, first, several adjacent Castles (with the forces of Evil lying just off the edge of the world to an entire Northern Province of the Castle and Crusade Society's Great Kingdom.

~ Dave Arneson

nope

Quote from: GameDaddy;1116476...you first.

:p Okay. I am supposed to make cookies for wife's church meet anyhow, I'm procrastinating.

nope

Quote from: GameDaddy;1116476...you first. Because of the outright lies you tell. ^^^^^ earlier...

In what way am I telling lies? Did you even read what I posted? Or what you posted? Do you just enjoy arguing? :confused:

GameDaddy

Quote from: Antiquation!;1116478In what way am I telling lies? Did you even read what I posted? Or what you posted? Do you just enjoy arguing? :confused:

Q.E.D.
Blackmoor grew from a single Castle to include, first, several adjacent Castles (with the forces of Evil lying just off the edge of the world to an entire Northern Province of the Castle and Crusade Society's Great Kingdom.

~ Dave Arneson

nope

Quote from: GameDaddy;1116479Q.E.D.

... so you can't actually reply to what I have asked or stated, as usual. Alright. Gonna go make cookies, at ease GameDaddy.:)

Omega

Quote from: SHARK;1116444Greetings!

Geesus. All the drama over posts or threads being deleted and moved at some other allegedly small website, with few members. If some mods somewhere, somehow, for whatever reason don't like you, too fucking bad. They can fuck themselves, and you move somewhere else.

I don't understand why all of this backroom whispering conspiracies. / Why is all that remotely important?

1: This one is easy. Loss of records of conversations that possibly can never be had again if any of the members have quit or passed away. Personal irk example was IMDb removing the forums. On the Silent Running forum we had some amazing insights from one of the amputees who played the robots. And comments from people in the industry in other forums there as well. Gone now. This is at least offset by the erasure of the rampant trolling over there too. So a few babies got tossed out with the bathwater.

2: This one not so easy to explain. But again, unfortunately, also from personal experience I've spent 25 years combating a particular sociopath in one of the art circles who absolutely despises a certain theme and started infiltrating, subverting, and ruining or destroying every group he can find. Chats, forums, art sites, interest groups. Think of it as akin to how some of the worst of the Storygamers, Forgeites, Pundits Swine, GNS, etc factions have driven wedges between groups or tried to co-opt or erase certain styles of play they disapprove of. And his right hand man happens to be an RPG publisher.

As for this argument of GD vs EB. Considering how loony GameDaddy's acted recently. All bets are off if he is right or wrong. But odds are this is another one of his manias in action. Sorry GD but you did it to yourself. I can totally understand being upset over important insights being lost, or at least buried somewhere obscure. But the lesson I learned the hard way is to save this stuff ASAP as the internet is utterly ephemeral. Yahoo Groups taught me this a decade + ago with their rampant covert deletions and now this new mass removal of files, images, possibly alot more.

Never assume anything on the net will be there forever. It may not even be there tomorrow. Hell, I had Yahoo Delete a group even as I was typing a post warning members that Yahoo could delete a group even as I was typing this warning. Irony is cruel sometimes.

Back on what passes for a topic. It is hilarious that even now we have people crusading for Dave long after it was shown and detailed exactly what he did and did not contribute. Parts by his own admission. But the crusaders refuse to believe Dave himself. GREEDY Gary MUST be VANQUISHED!

nope

Quote from: Omega;1116493Never assume anything on the net will be there forever. It may not even be there tomorrow. Hell, I had Yahoo Delete a group even as I was typing a post warning members that Yahoo could delete a group even as I was typing this warning. Irony is cruel sometimes.

Exactly. Such is the nature of the internet.