Walking into a game store has become a much more empty experience since the advent of 4E.  My favourite game is no longer supported in a manner which I have even the remotest interest.  Yes, there is Pathfinder and yes, I game the system and purchase the products, but apart from their Adventure Path modules their output is pretty low.  I'm in my 30s, earing more than I ever have before and don't have anything to spend it on.  I still visit game stores frequently but there is nothing for me to see in the largest gaming section (the one reserved for the latest version of D&D).

This isn't meant to be a woe is me story, just curious to see if others feel the same way.  I am interested in other RPGs, plan on running an OD&D campaign, but I've always liked to stay in touch with the lastest edition of D&D as well. I feel like there has been a hole in my gaming world since mid 2007.

Quote from: Fiasco;412821Walking into a game store has become a much more empty experience since the advent of 4E.  My favourite game is no longer supported in a manner which I have even the remotest interest.  Yes, there is Pathfinder and yes, I game the system and purchase the products, but apart from their Adventure Path modules their output is pretty low.  I'm in my 30s, earing more than I ever have before and don't have anything to spend it on.  I still visit game stores frequently but there is nothing for me to see in the largest gaming section (the one reserved for the latest version of D&D).

This isn't meant to be a woe is me story, just curious to see if others feel the same way.  I am interested in other RPGs, plan on running an OD&D campaign, but I've always liked to stay in touch with the lastest edition of D&D as well. I feel like there has been a hole in my gaming world since mid 2007.

Same here, though I've more or less stopped buying D&D stuff with the advent of 4E Essentials.

In regard to Pathfinder, I've only really picked up the monthly adventure path books and some of the region setting type supplement books.  I haven't bothered picking up the more crunch heavy books whether the hardcover Pathfinder rpg ones, or the softcover campaign setting or player companion ones.  Ever since the Pathfinder rpg core books were released, I've bought less and less Pathfinder books, to the point where I've went months without buying anything by Pathfinder or D&D.

Quote from: Fiasco;412821Walking into a game store has become a much more empty experience since the advent of 4E.  My favourite game is no longer supported in a manner which I have even the remotest interest.  Yes, there is Pathfinder and yes, I game the system and purchase the products, but apart from their Adventure Path modules their output is pretty low.  I'm in my 30s, earing more than I ever have before and don't have anything to spend it on.  I still visit game stores frequently but there is nothing for me to see in the largest gaming section (the one reserved for the latest version of D&D).

This isn't meant to be a woe is me story, just curious to see if others feel the same way.  I am interested in other RPGs, plan on running an OD&D campaign, but I've always liked to stay in touch with the lastest edition of D&D as well. I feel like there has been a hole in my gaming world since mid 2007.

Well, I feel the same, way, though it goes back to the mid 80s.

However, though I buy the core products for every generation, I feel worse and worse about them.  I buy them: I have the disposable income (Our average Igbar session kills 'x' amounts of dollars of wine that would seem criminal to some), but I share your feeling about the game my heart still calls home, the center of my gaming world for so long until I painfully realized it was not what I needed it to be.

I'm used to it.  I simply don't expect game stores to carry anything that I'm interested in, as far as RPGs go.  I don't play any of the big mainstream properties like 4e D&D or Pathfinder.  Occasionally I'm pleasantly surprised; there are a few stores that carry a wide variety of stuff, including OOP material.  Those are treasure troves.

On the bright side, I've recently become interested in miniatures gaming (specifically Field of Glory), so suddenly more game stores have products of interest, again.  (Although if I'd been drawn to Warhammer or Flames of War I'd be more mainstream.)  Oh, and I also just discovered that Mongoose's Runequest II is pretty damn good, too.

I have a similar problem, but for a much different reason.

I like 4e a lot. I see a lot of 4e books I'd love to buy, but I've gotten used to not buying them. Why? For a few reasons:

*The expense. 3.x wore me out when it came to buying $35-40 books every month or so. Restarting the treadmill with 4e made me much, much more picky. If they'd started with something like Essentials or even the Red Box, I might've gotten on board the Supplement Express.

*A lack of appealing adventures. The format that began with late 3e adventures really rubs me the wrong way. Good adventures really help me get interested in new supplements.

*Not enough variety. The GSL has not inspired as much good material as the OGL did, especially late in 3e's run. I'd love to see, say, historical supplements for the game, or licensed stuff like a 4e version of Conan. Or maybe a supplement that draws on the trappings of Old School D&D to "hack" 4e. Maybe WotC feels they gave away too much with the OGL, but I can tell you that for me, at least, making 4e more of a closed shop (I know, not entirely, but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of 3rd party support so far) has made me much less a customer of 4e in general because WotC hasn't stepped up and made the kinds of supplements I want, that 3rd party publishers provided for with the OGL.

So, in the end, I have a similar feeling of loss and emptiness as I look at the RPG racks at stores.

I hear you guys.

It does feel good to see (Essentials) D&D products and feel intrigued about them again.

Quote from: Benoist;412829I hear you guys.

It does feel good to see (Essentials) D&D products and feel intrigued about them again.

In regard to 4E Essentials, I'm basically in a wait and see mode.  No pre-orders anymore.

I'll probably skip "Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms" for now.

I want to go through the content of the books "Class Compendium: Heroes of Sword and Spell" and "Heroes of Shadow", before buying anything further.  (These books are scheduled for a February and March 2011 release respectively).  It will be a long 4-5 month wait, without buying anything D&D.

Quote from: ColonelHardisson;412827I'd love to see, say, historical supplements for the game, or licensed stuff like a 4e version of Conan. Or maybe a supplement that draws on the trappings of Old School D&D to "hack" 4e.

While I'm sorry to hear that you're finding the 4e well dry, I feel like my renewed interest in BRP and Runequest just opened this kind of thing up to me, again.  I've gone from pretty much zero interest in buying more RPG products to springing for historical supplements (Alephtar's Rome, MRQII Vikings, Crusader of the Amber Coast) and eyeing other products (the Conanesque The Savage North, Mongoose's Empires).  I can't say I'm terribly interested in a BRP-version of old school D&D (I'd rather just play old school D&D), but I saw there's something like that, too: BRP Classic Fantasy.

Anyway, if you're at all interested in BRP it sounds like the material being released for the BRP-derived systems is right up your alley.

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;412834While I'm sorry to hear that you're finding the 4e well dry, I feel like my renewed interest in BRP and Runequest just opened this kind of thing up to me, again.

Earlier this year, Mongoose Runequest 2 (MRQ2) sparked my interest again while simultaneously 4E D&D was already dropping off in my purchases.

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;412834I've gone from pretty much zero interest in buying more RPG products to springing for historical supplements (Alephtar's Rome, MRQII Vikings, Crusader of the Amber Coast) and eyeing other products (the Conanesque The Savage North, Mongoose's Empires).  

But after the two major editing botch jobs (ie. MRQ2 Arms & Equipment and Necromancy), my interest fell flat again.  At this point, I'm in a wait and see mode with each new MRQ2 release.  Any further major botch jobs, and I'll probably forgo MRQ2 altogether.

Good point made by Philotomy.  I would be interested in good quality modules or settings regardless of game system.  Alas, they are few and far between and certainly not released by WOTC/HASBRO.

Quote from: Fiasco;412837Good point made by Philotomy.  I would be interested in good quality modules or settings regardless of game system.  Alas, they are few and far between and certainly not released by WOTC/HASBRO.

So far the WotC 4E modules have been kinda crappy imho.  Third party companies producing 4E modules haven't been much better either imho (ie. Goodman, XRP, etc ...).

Paizo makes somewhat better stuff to read, though at the expense of being a bit railroady in the case of the Pathfinder adventure paths.  The Pathfinder modules are ok, but not outstanding.  When I was DM'ing 4E D&D, I found the Pathfinder stuff was better for taking ideas and encounters from.  No idea how they play under Pathfinder rpg proper.

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;412834While I'm sorry to hear that you're finding the 4e well dry, I feel like my renewed interest in BRP and Runequest just opened this kind of thing up to me, again.  I've gone from pretty much zero interest in buying more RPG products to springing for historical supplements (Alephtar's Rome, MRQII Vikings, Crusader of the Amber Coast) and eyeing other products (the Conanesque The Savage North, Mongoose's Empires).  I can't say I'm terribly interested in a BRP-version of old school D&D (I'd rather just play old school D&D), but I saw there's something like that, too: BRP Classic Fantasy.

Anyway, if you're at all interested in BRP it sounds like the material being released for the BRP-derived systems is right up your alley.

I'm not too interested in the BRP stuff right now. I have a ton of old Chaosium Pendragon books, as well as Stormbringer. I also bought up the books in Mongoose's Hawkmoon line. Plus, I have the old Avalon Hill RQ Deluxe box set with a number of supplements.

Speaking of Conan, I had started buying up the supplements for that game that interested me before I knew they were ending the line.

I have a lot of GURPS stuff, including a number of the new hardbacks. I plan on grabbing Thaumaturgy.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I've wanted to see some actual, specifically 4e D&D material covering different genres and subjects. Gamma World is a good start towards what I want, but without the OGL I have to wait for WotC to do supplements, and they haven't made a sign of moving in some of the other directions I'd like.

Quote from: Fiasco;412821Walking into a game store has become a much more empty experience since the advent of 4E.  My favourite game is no longer supported in a manner which I have even the remotest interest.  Yes, there is Pathfinder and yes, I game the system and purchase the products, but apart from their Adventure Path modules their output is pretty low.  I'm in my 30s, earing more than I ever have before and don't have anything to spend it on.  I still visit game stores frequently but there is nothing for me to see in the largest gaming section (the one reserved for the latest version of D&D).

This isn't meant to be a woe is me story, just curious to see if others feel the same way.  I am interested in other RPGs, plan on running an OD&D campaign, but I've always liked to stay in touch with the lastest edition of D&D as well. I feel like there has been a hole in my gaming world since mid 2007.

Me, too. Except it goes back to 2000. Tried 3e. Hated it. So, the feeling of walking into the game store like a kid in a candy store, ooogling all the the rad stuff I wanted to buy (but having the money to buy only one thing at a time) . . . haven't had that feeling in ages.

Very sad, indeed.

Over the last 9+ months or so, I've also been trying to avoid buying too much stuff which end ups sitting on my book shelf collecting dust, rarely or never to be used in a game.

For example, if I wasn't playing 4E Encounters every week, I probably would not have picked up the 4E Essentials "Heroes of the Fallen Lands" and "Rules Compendium" books.

Quote from: 1989;412843So, the feeling of walking into the game store like a kid in a candy store, ooogling all the the rad stuff I wanted to buy (but having the money to buy only one thing at a time) . . . haven't had that feeling in ages.

The last time I felt that way, was when I got back into rpg games shortly after 3.5E D&D was released.

At the time, I was picking up a lot of d20 glut modules for $5 bucks a pop (or less) from the bargain bins.  It was after the d20 bubble bursted, and subsequently tons of stuff being deeply discounted.  After this "kid in a candy store" binge, there was nothing much left of interest afterward.