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How to Sandbox

Started by rgrove0172, August 10, 2017, 09:33:53 PM

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Bedrockbrendan

#180
August 15, 2017, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983729He said that he has written several thousand works on the topic over the last 30+ years.

Man do you like to argue. It might have been hyperbole or he could have just meant he has thousands of pages of campaign notes (which is pretty believable for a 30+ year campaign). He has blogged a lot about it though, and he has published sandbox material. But he still didn't say he created the sandbox. He said he wrote about sandbox and helped popularize it. I know a lot of people who have come to sandbox by way of Estar, so I think it is a fair statement.

estar

#181
August 15, 2017, 11:25:46 AM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983729He said that he has written several thousand works on the topic over the last 30+ years.

I meant words not work my bad. It still a considerable amount.

Zalman

#182
August 15, 2017, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983729He said that he has written several thousand works on the topic over the last 30+ years.

Sure, and biblical scholars have written thousands of works [sic] about the Bible, still without claiming to have created it. Do you have a dictionary definition handy that equates discussion with creation?

Funny, it didn't seem to take much effort for you to "find a quibble" with this post. You might need to up your game.
Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

Crimhthan

#183
August 15, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: estar;983736I meant words not work my bad. It still a considerable amount.

If you told me 300,000 words, I would have no trouble believing that. But several thousand published works, I wasn't buying claim that from anyone (not just you but anyone). Thank you for clarifying that.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

Crimhthan

#184
August 15, 2017, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: Zalman;983748Sure, and biblical scholars have written thousands of works [sic] about the Bible, still without claiming to have created it. Do you have a dictionary definition handy that equates discussion with creation?

Funny, it didn't seem to take much effort for you to "find a quibble" with this post. You might need to up your game.

One individual wrote thousands of works about the Bible, who was this one individual who wrote thousands of works? If you told me thousands of people wrote thousands of books I would not have questioned that. The original claim (until he corrected works to words) in the post you refer to was that he has written as an individual several thousand works and I did not buy that claim. As I said he corrected that to words instead of works. The quibbling is all yours, shame you weren't paying attention to the point I was making and your probably missed the one in this post as well.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

Zalman

#185
August 15, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983768One individual wrote thousands of works about the Bible, who was this one individual who wrote thousands of works? If you told me thousands of people wrote thousands of books I would not have questioned that. The original claim (until he corrected works to words) in the post you refer to was that he has written as an individual several thousand works and I did not buy that claim. As I said he corrected that to words instead of works. The quibbling is all yours, shame you weren't paying attention to the point I was making and your probably missed the one in this post as well.
Nonsense, your quibble was with the claim that he was the creator of the concept, a claim he never made and which you then moved the goalposts to avoid defending. (And only to attack the number of "works", which was entirely irrelevant to anything in the discussion anyway.)

I do agree your antics are entertaining even if disingenuous and obvious; please continue!
Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

Crimhthan

#186
August 15, 2017, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;983732Man do you like to argue. It might have been hyperbole or he could have just meant he has thousands of pages of campaign notes (which is pretty believable for a 30+ year campaign). He has blogged a lot about it though, and he has published sandbox material. But he still didn't say he created the sandbox. He said he wrote about sandbox and helped popularize it. I know a lot of people who have come to sandbox by way of Estar, so I think it is a fair statement.

Thousands of pages I believe, twenty thousands pages I believe, thousands of works I don't believe at least if you are on the same page I am where a work would be a multiple page document not a two paragraph blog post. He or other may well have thousands of blog posts, but I would not consider an individual blog post to be a "work".YMMV
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

Zevious Zoquis

#187
August 15, 2017, 12:10:00 PM
since "works" was just  typo, there's really no point debating that issue...unless of course distraction is the point.

Bedrockbrendan

#188
August 15, 2017, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983775Thousands of pages I believe, twenty thousands pages I believe, thousands of works I don't believe at least if you are on the same page I am where a work would be a multiple page document not a two paragraph blog post. He or other may well have thousands of blog posts, but I would not consider an individual blog post to be a "work".YMMV

Well, since he already said he meant to say 'word' I think there is no real point in carrying on this line of discussion.

Crimhthan

#189
August 15, 2017, 12:29:05 PM
Quote from: Zalman;983771Nonsense, your quibble was with the claim that he was the creator of the concept, a claim he never made and which you then moved the goalposts to avoid defending. (And only to attack the number of "works", which was entirely irrelevant to anything in the discussion anyway.)

I do agree your antics are entertaining even if disingenuous and obvious; please continue!

You don't consider a claim of several thousand works over the last 30+ years to be coequal to claiming ownership, that is astounding and disingenuous.

Now he every graciously corrected the claim of works to words that changed the interpretation of his claim IMO.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

Crimhthan

#190
August 15, 2017, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;983781Well, since he already said he meant to say 'word' I think there is no real point in carrying on this line of discussion.

I have been willing to drop this for some time, but others so far have not. And as you can see below, they are not willing.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

Gronan of Simmerya

#191
August 15, 2017, 12:30:18 PM
Quote from: Zevious Zoquis;983776since "works" was just  typo, there's really no point debating that issue...unless of course distraction is the point.

Ding!  Winner!
You should go to GaryCon.  Period.

The rules can\'t cure stupid, and the rules can\'t cure asshole.

estar

#192
August 15, 2017, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983785You don't consider a claim of several thousand works over the last 30+ years to be coequal to claiming ownership, that is astounding and disingenuous.

Now he every graciously corrected the claim of works to words that changed the interpretation of his claim IMO.

Give it a rest, I posted the correction the issue been clarified.

Crimhthan

#193
August 15, 2017, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: estar;983793Give it a rest, I posted the correction the issue been clarified.

I did but no one else seems to want to. They misrepresent what I said and I correct them. That is why I noted that the poster is still whining and moaning about something that is done.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

soltakss

#194
August 15, 2017, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983807That is why I noted that the poster is still whining and moaning about something that is done.

Ah, the irony ...
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