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How to Sandbox

Started by rgrove0172, August 10, 2017, 09:33:53 PM

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Omega

#135
August 14, 2017, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;983422Once again, Crimpnuts' whole schtick is to muddy any discussion as much as he can.  Quibbling over definitions is one textbook way of doing this.

Yeah this is the opposite end of the terminology spectrum.

On one end you have the "this word means EVERYTHING ON EARTH" types of morons who want to apply a term to everything.
On the other end you have the "this word means this tiny little narrow window thing I've decided to lock it down to." nuts. Sometimes to the points its nearly "NOTHING ON EARTH".

Bren

#136
August 14, 2017, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Omega;983432Yeah this is the opposite end of the terminology spectrum.

On one end you have the "this word means EVERYTHING ON EARTH" types of morons who want to apply a term to everything.
On the other end you have the "this word means this tiny little narrow window thing I've decided to lock it down to." nuts. Sometimes to the points its nearly "NOTHING ON EARTH".
If only there was a closet somewhere on the Internet where both types could be incarcerated to argue themselves to death.
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Steven Mitchell

#137
August 14, 2017, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Bren;983446If only there was a closet somewhere on the Internet where both types could be incarcerated to argue themselves to death.

That's a terribly large closet.

Crimhthan

#138
August 14, 2017, 05:10:08 PM
Quote from: Omega;983404Hate to burst your bubble. But "And off to the north theres rumours of orcs gatering" and said orcs will gather and will cause trouble if the PCs or someone else doesnt intervene is a sort of plot. It is just the sort that the players may never actually interact with. But its out there. And thats one way sandboxes are run.

You are welcome to use incorrect language to describe it to your hearts content.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

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These are my original creation

S'mon

#139
August 14, 2017, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983405Sandbox is about DIY, if you use others materials, then you are automatically including all the railroads contained in that material and if you go back and re-write it to fix that then you might as well have done it yourself to begin with.

But what if the material I use doesn't include any railroads?

Here's the actual published Goblin Gulley adventure I used - https://rpgcharacters.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/onepagedungeon-goblin-gully.pdf - I'm not seeing the railroad. It's not like the PCs had to go in there if they didn't want to.

Edit: BTW I also disagree that rewriting is equivalent to creation de novo. I find adaptation far easier than whole-cloth creation. Obviously material used in my sandbox needs adaptation, but that's usually not much work.

Crimhthan

#140
August 14, 2017, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;983406Okay this is a ridiculous argument. Sandbox is just a structure. You can do that with your own material, but you could also do it with published material designed for sandbox play. Granted, there is a strong DIY spirit to sandbox, because it it well suited to that. But I don't see how any non-DIY element automatically makes it not a sandbox.

But you could also do it with published material designed for sandbox play once you strip out the railroads that are built into published materials.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

Crimhthan

#141
August 14, 2017, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;983422Once again, Crimpnuts' whole schtick is to muddy any discussion as much as he can.  Quibbling over definitions is one textbook way of doing this.

Sorry to hear that you think poor word choice is a mark of doing things the right way. But if you want to write up your special snowflake redefined words as most of you have redefined them by ignoring what the words really mean, then by all means post it so I can study the revised definitions, that are separate from the definitions used in dictionaries.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

Crimhthan

#142
August 14, 2017, 05:19:54 PM
Quote from: Omega;983432Yeah this is the opposite end of the terminology spectrum.

On one end you have the "this word means EVERYTHING ON EARTH" types of morons who want to apply a term to everything.
On the other end you have the "this word means this tiny little narrow window thing I've decided to lock it down to." nuts. Sometimes to the points its nearly "NOTHING ON EARTH".

Sorry that you hate the dictionary so much, but that's OK I will stop asking you to use real words, go ahead and just make words up and assign any meaning you want since real definitions are too difficult for you to deal with.
Always remember, as a first principle of all D&D: playing BtB is not now, never was and never will be old school.

Rules lawyers have missed the heart and soul of old school D&D.

Munchkins are not there to have fun, munchkins are there to make sure no one else does.

Nothing is more dishonorable, than being a min-maxer munchkin rules lawyer.

OD&D game #4000 was played on September 2, 2017.

These are my original creation

-E.

#143
August 14, 2017, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983405Sandbox is about DIY, if you use others materials, then you are automatically including all the railroads contained in that material and if you go back and re-write it to fix that then you might as well have done it yourself to begin with.

Sandbox is not about DIY.

It's about sand.

Good grief, it's right in the name. If your so-called-"sandbox" game doesn't take place in a desert, it's not a sandbox.

And don't give me any of that nonsense about rocky deserts. It has to be sandy.

-E.
 

Bren

#144
August 14, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: S'mon;983452But what if the material I use doesn't include any railroads?
It doesn't matter. Because you are using the wrong words. Words that Crimthan doesn't understand. Sadly the number of words Crimthan does understand can be counted on both your hands....both your hands assuming you are an unlucky carpenter.

Quote from: Crimhthan;983458Sorry to hear that you think poor word choice is a mark of doing things the right way. But if you want to write up your special snowflake redefined words as most of you have redefined them by ignoring what the words really mean, then by all means post it so I can study the revised definitions, that are separate from the definitions used in dictionaries.
Dude that is exactly what you repeatedly doing in these threads. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Crimhthan;983459Sorry that you hate the dictionary so much, but that's OK I will stop asking you to use real words, go ahead and just make words up and assign any meaning you want since real definitions are too difficult for you to deal with.
He doesn't hate the dictionary. He, like the rest of us, likes the dictionary enough to read beyond the first definition of the word. You should try it sometime. Another thing you should try is learning the meaning of context. Its one of the ways other people determine which definition is being used at any particular time. "Context" it's a word you should learn.
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Bren

#145
August 14, 2017, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: -E.;983460Sandbox is not about DIY.

It's about sand.

Good grief, it's right in the name. If your so-called-"sandbox" game doesn't take place in a desert, it's not a sandbox.

And don't give me any of that nonsense about rocky deserts. It has to be sandy.

-E.
No wonder Sandy Petersen is a good GM. It's right in his name. :D
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Baulderstone

#146
August 14, 2017, 05:57:23 PM
Quote from: Crimhthan;983354Scenario: first standard definition is - a written outline of a movie, novel, or stage work giving details of the plot and individual scenes. "imagine the scenarios for four short stories" This means that the definition of "Any significant location on your sandbox's map where PCs might wish to venture is a scenario." is patently false.

And the first dictionary definition of "plot" is "a plan made in secret by a group of people to do something illegal or harmful."

Proof that whenever a gamer uses the word "plot" they are part of the great swine conspiracy to destroy gaming!!!

Using the dictionary wrong is fun.

Telarus

#147
August 14, 2017, 06:04:43 PM
Words don't have inherent meanings. Deriving meaning depends on context. FOR ALL SYMBOLS.

Zevious Zoquis

#148
August 14, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
The first definition of "Sandbox" - a shallow box or hollow in the ground partly filled with sand for children to play in.

Dammit!  We're all doing it wrong!

Kyle Aaron

#149
August 14, 2017, 08:19:08 PM
And that's why I just gave a practical example of how I set things up, and how it come out in play. Avoids all this nonsense.

Alas, nobody was interested in that. Because "I have 20 minutes to write a reply, but I don't have 5 minutes to read anything first!"
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