Quote from: 1989;523369I get mine from FutureShop for new titles. For older titles, I go to HMV. Last bet is amazon.

I purposely avoid new titles, unless it is something I really want to watch.  (In recent times, I've had very little to no interest in newer movies).  

Though with that being said, newer titles end up in the bargains too relatively quickly.  Awhile ago I picked up The Expendables on bluray, after finding it in the bargain bin.  (Crappy action movie from 2010, but I wanted to see it).  

Recently saw the Conan remake (with Jason Momoa), for less than $10.  It was released 4 months ago on dvd/bluray.

For most newer stuff being released, I can wait for the price to drop down to $10 or less after a period of time.

Quote from: ggroy;523368I pick up most of my dvds/blurays at WalMart and other discount stores.

I find this hard to believe - everybody knows the discount store industry died when Woolworth's closed their stores in North America.

so a question....

if the movie and music business stopped produsing profesisonal quality product and allowed the music made in basements and the movies made with handycams and posted to You Tube to be the whole of the industry woudl we be saying the movie/music busienss is dead?

You would have a wider variety ... you would many many more genres....

Quote from: 1989;523367The hobby of listening to music on stereos is pretty much dead compared to a decade or so ago. Younger kids haven't even seen or used a stereo.

Kids are more interested in their iPhones?

Quote from: Thalaba;523382I find this hard to believe - everybody knows the discount store industry died when Woolworth's closed their stores in North America.

Dollar stores taking their place.

Quote from: jibbajibba;523387producing professional quality product

This is debatable for the movie and music industries.  

Quote from: jibbajibba;523387and allowed the music made in basements

This has been done for a long time, even for some "professionally" produced music.


For KISS's 1976 record "Rock and Roll Over", the drum tracks were allegedly recorded in the bathroom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Over


For Boston's classic debut record, it was purportedly recorded almost entirely in Tom Scholz's basement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_%28album%29

Quote from: ggroy;523396This has been done for a long time, even for some "professionally" produced music.


For KISS's 1976 record "Rock and Roll Over", the drum tracks were allegedly recorded in the bathroom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Over


For Boston's classic debut record, it was purportedly recorded entirely in Tom Scholz's basement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_%28album%29

I know mate that is why I quoted the parallel ......

The question is if all music and all movies were made by amateurs in basements would that be okay ? woudl the Movie hobby survive?

I am basically indicating, though obviously far too subtley for some (only kidding ) that some people like professionally produced slick RPG books and that maybe RPGs as a whole would suffer if everything went 'garage' and there was no mainstream industry.

Quote from: jibbajibba;523387so a question....

if the movie and music business stopped produsing profesisonal quality product and allowed the music made in basements and the movies made with handycams and posted to You Tube to be the whole of the industry woudl we be saying the movie/music busienss is dead?

You would have a wider variety ... you would many many more genres....

Depends on where you are at on the 'net.

Take this place for example...

Dear Angry People on the Internet,

I am genuinely sorry my and my friends' way of enjoying this hobby doesn't sustain your business model, conform to your finely crafted theories about game design, follow your ethical or moral stances, avoid insulting your hangups, get the correct demographic into/out of the hobby, or contribute to your on- or offline fame. Unfortunately, because we happen to enjoy this hobby for our own reasons and not yours, we cannot guarantee we are going to change our misguided and outright harmful ways. Sorry.

Yours, sincerely, forever,

Quote from: jibbajibba;523387so a question....

if the movie and music business stopped produsing profesisonal quality product and allowed the music made in basements and the movies made with handycams and posted to You Tube to be the whole of the industry woudl we be saying the movie/music busienss is dead?

You would have a wider variety ... you would many many more genres....

See, here's the thing - there are many ways technology can better a movie, but there are only so - few ways how much you can get a paper B to be better then paper A.

The film hobby would certainly survive - and sooner or later, someone would make the first "new big break", then get money needed for better technology, make bigger and more expansive films, restarting the cycle.\

But see, another problem is - when you buy an RPG book, you are buying tools, rather then complete products.

And of course - it's the matter if the relationship between Industry/Target are parasitic, or symbiotic. In case of RPGs, I'd say that it's more parasitic.

Quote from: Melan;523404Dear Angry People on the Internet,

I am genuinely sorry my and my friends' way of enjoying this hobby doesn't sustain your business model, conform to your finely crafted theories about game design, follow your ethical or moral stances, avoid insulting your hangups, get the correct demographic into/out of the hobby, or contribute to your on- or offline fame. Unfortunately, because we happen to enjoy this hobby for our own reasons and not yours, we cannot guarantee we are going to change our misguided and outright harmful ways. Sorry.

Yours, sincerely, forever,

Where's the signature, you uncouth Hungarian?!

It is implied.

Quote from: Melan;523407It is implied.

Hrmpf. That will do.

Quote from: jibbajibba;523387if the movie and music business stopped produsing profesisonal quality product and allowed the music made in basements and the movies made with handycams and posted to You Tube to be the whole of the industry woudl we be saying the movie/music busienss is dead?

The business (at least as we know it) might be dead, but the hobby of watching movies and listening to music probably would not be dead.  Especially the listening to music bit as one can make pretty professional music with a multi-million dollar budget.

As for RPGs, I don't see much difference in rules or idea quality between the what hobbyist designers put out from their garage/computer desk and what the biggest companies put out with large budgets. If lots of high quality custom color art and fancy layout is what you are looking for in "professional", then yes the big players in the industry do it better. However, fancy and expensive production does not improve the quality of the game rules any more than single column unjustified layout and no art makes the quality of the game rules go down.

Quote from: jibbajibba;523399The question is if all music and all movies were made by amateurs in basements would that be okay ? woudl the Movie hobby survive?

I am basically indicating, though obviously far too subtley for some (only kidding ) that some people like professionally produced slick RPG books and that maybe RPGs as a whole would suffer if everything went 'garage' and there was no mainstream industry.

Only if you subscribe to the idea that bigger companies make better quality products, which I would dispute. The mainstream is all to often lowest common denominator trash, some good stuff comes out of it, but often in spite of the 'industry' not because of it.