Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Yeah that's great but a heckof lot of storygames aren't trying to be Appendix N they're all into movies or comic books or some performance art shit. Guess if you think everybody's trying to tell stories Appendix N style because you are trapped in the OSR labyrinth you might miss that. Like I got my Fiasco copy here and it's fellating the Coen Brothers not Fritz Leiber.

But sure those are different media from RPGs and they tell stories different ways but it's like "That movie can't be telling a story, it's not a novel" is dumb, same way "That group of people playing a game where they tell a story can't be telling a story, it's a game not a novel" is also dumb.

This troll can't be this idiotic. Yeah, novels are a different medium than theatre, movies, comic books and television, and yet they all ARE trying to tell a story, just like storygames.

While RPGs aren't.

Now go back to being ignored by the adults in the room.

Greetings!

I've always had the impression that storygames were pretentious circlejerk fests for people trying to play a game, but failing, because they keep ckoking on this weird obsession with posing as a novelist, while despising D&D.

RPG's are a *game* Play the game. Obsessed with story? Read novels, or write novels yourself. Games an novels are two very distinct things. They are not the same things, and cannot be so, inherently.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on April 19, 2021, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Yeah that's great but a heckof lot of storygames aren't trying to be Appendix N they're all into movies or comic books or some performance art shit. Guess if you think everybody's trying to tell stories Appendix N style because you are trapped in the OSR labyrinth you might miss that. Like I got my Fiasco copy here and it's fellating the Coen Brothers not Fritz Leiber.

But sure those are different media from RPGs and they tell stories different ways but it's like "That movie can't be telling a story, it's not a novel" is dumb, same way "That group of people playing a game where they tell a story can't be telling a story, it's a game not a novel" is also dumb.

This troll can't be this idiotic. Yeah, novels are a different medium than theatre, movies, comic books and television, and yet they all ARE trying to tell a story, just like storygames.

While RPGs aren't.

Now go back to being ignored by the adults in the room.

Greetings!

I've always had the impression that storygames were pretentious circlejerk fests for people trying to play a game, but failing, because they keep ckoking on this weird obsession with posing as a novelist, while despising D&D.

RPG's are a *game* Play the game. Obsessed with story? Read novels, or write novels yourself. Games an novels are two very distinct things. They are not the same things, and cannot be so, inherently.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark I know the Marine corps beats out most of the braincells of the recruits in basic but at least the average site poster knows a circlejerk when they see one so that's a relief.

Game still tells a story. Moment-to-moment you're interpreting numbers into fictional things. Y'all making claims about "beginnings" and "ends" and narrative satisfaction, but that ain't needed.

Quote from: SHARK on April 19, 2021, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Yeah that's great but a heckof lot of storygames aren't trying to be Appendix N they're all into movies or comic books or some performance art shit. Guess if you think everybody's trying to tell stories Appendix N style because you are trapped in the OSR labyrinth you might miss that. Like I got my Fiasco copy here and it's fellating the Coen Brothers not Fritz Leiber.

But sure those are different media from RPGs and they tell stories different ways but it's like "That movie can't be telling a story, it's not a novel" is dumb, same way "That group of people playing a game where they tell a story can't be telling a story, it's a game not a novel" is also dumb.

This troll can't be this idiotic. Yeah, novels are a different medium than theatre, movies, comic books and television, and yet they all ARE trying to tell a story, just like storygames.

While RPGs aren't.

Now go back to being ignored by the adults in the room.

Greetings!

I've always had the impression that storygames were pretentious circlejerk fests for people trying to play a game, but failing, because they keep ckoking on this weird obsession with posing as a novelist, while despising D&D.

RPG's are a *game* Play the game. Obsessed with story? Read novels, or write novels yourself. Games an novels are two very distinct things. They are not the same things, and cannot be so, inherently.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

And as a game it has a fail state (your PC dies) and a win state (your PC retires after carving his domain out of the world by guile and skill.)

Agreed, brother, furthermore, storygames can't be trying to be anything else than a novel, unless they are larping and using cameras, etc.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:11:11 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 19, 2021, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Yeah that's great but a heckof lot of storygames aren't trying to be Appendix N they're all into movies or comic books or some performance art shit. Guess if you think everybody's trying to tell stories Appendix N style because you are trapped in the OSR labyrinth you might miss that. Like I got my Fiasco copy here and it's fellating the Coen Brothers not Fritz Leiber.

But sure those are different media from RPGs and they tell stories different ways but it's like "That movie can't be telling a story, it's not a novel" is dumb, same way "That group of people playing a game where they tell a story can't be telling a story, it's a game not a novel" is also dumb.

This troll can't be this idiotic. Yeah, novels are a different medium than theatre, movies, comic books and television, and yet they all ARE trying to tell a story, just like storygames.

While RPGs aren't.

Now go back to being ignored by the adults in the room.

Greetings!

I've always had the impression that storygames were pretentious circlejerk fests for people trying to play a game, but failing, because they keep ckoking on this weird obsession with posing as a novelist, while despising D&D.

RPG's are a *game* Play the game. Obsessed with story? Read novels, or write novels yourself. Games an novels are two very distinct things. They are not the same things, and cannot be so, inherently.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

And as a game it has a fail state (your PC dies) and a win state (your PC retires after carving his domain out of the world by guile and skill.)

Agreed, brother, furthermore, storygames can't be trying to be anything else than a novel, unless they are larping and using cameras, etc.

Failstate is the game stops, 'less you're not playing after the PC dies. Do you quit when the PC dies? Are you that kind of weirdo? Or do you keep playing with another character and the shit the PC did may have some small or large impact on the world?

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 06:10:00 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 19, 2021, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Yeah that's great but a heckof lot of storygames aren't trying to be Appendix N they're all into movies or comic books or some performance art shit. Guess if you think everybody's trying to tell stories Appendix N style because you are trapped in the OSR labyrinth you might miss that. Like I got my Fiasco copy here and it's fellating the Coen Brothers not Fritz Leiber.

But sure those are different media from RPGs and they tell stories different ways but it's like "That movie can't be telling a story, it's not a novel" is dumb, same way "That group of people playing a game where they tell a story can't be telling a story, it's a game not a novel" is also dumb.

This troll can't be this idiotic. Yeah, novels are a different medium than theatre, movies, comic books and television, and yet they all ARE trying to tell a story, just like storygames.

While RPGs aren't.

Now go back to being ignored by the adults in the room.

Greetings!

I've always had the impression that storygames were pretentious circlejerk fests for people trying to play a game, but failing, because they keep ckoking on this weird obsession with posing as a novelist, while despising D&D.

RPG's are a *game* Play the game. Obsessed with story? Read novels, or write novels yourself. Games an novels are two very distinct things. They are not the same things, and cannot be so, inherently.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark I know the Marine corps beats out most of the braincells of the recruits in basic but at least the average site poster knows a circlejerk when they see one so that's a relief.

Game still tells a story. Moment-to-moment you're interpreting numbers into fictional things. Y'all making claims about "beginnings" and "ends" and narrative satisfaction, but that ain't needed.

"If I redefine "telling a story" then I'm corret and you're all wrong because the marine corps made you teh dumb!"

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:14:17 PM

Shark I know the Marine corps beats out most of the braincells of the recruits in basic but at least the average site poster knows a circlejerk when they see one so that's a relief.

Game still tells a story. Moment-to-moment you're interpreting numbers into fictional things. Y'all making claims about "beginnings" and "ends" and narrative satisfaction, but that ain't needed.

Quote
"If I redefine "telling a story" then I'm corret and you're all wrong because the marine corps made you teh dumb!"

"If I say things in a sarcastic tone then I can pretend I won the argument and don't spend my days living in fear of narcos!"

Your definition of story is shit, and so are you.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:14:17 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 06:10:00 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 19, 2021, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Yeah that's great but a heckof lot of storygames aren't trying to be Appendix N they're all into movies or comic books or some performance art shit. Guess if you think everybody's trying to tell stories Appendix N style because you are trapped in the OSR labyrinth you might miss that. Like I got my Fiasco copy here and it's fellating the Coen Brothers not Fritz Leiber.

But sure those are different media from RPGs and they tell stories different ways but it's like "That movie can't be telling a story, it's not a novel" is dumb, same way "That group of people playing a game where they tell a story can't be telling a story, it's a game not a novel" is also dumb.

This troll can't be this idiotic. Yeah, novels are a different medium than theatre, movies, comic books and television, and yet they all ARE trying to tell a story, just like storygames.

While RPGs aren't.

Now go back to being ignored by the adults in the room.

Greetings!

I've always had the impression that storygames were pretentious circlejerk fests for people trying to play a game, but failing, because they keep ckoking on this weird obsession with posing as a novelist, while despising D&D.

RPG's are a *game* Play the game. Obsessed with story? Read novels, or write novels yourself. Games an novels are two very distinct things. They are not the same things, and cannot be so, inherently.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark I know the Marine corps beats out most of the braincells of the recruits in basic but at least the average site poster knows a circlejerk when they see one so that's a relief.

Game still tells a story. Moment-to-moment you're interpreting numbers into fictional things. Y'all making claims about "beginnings" and "ends" and narrative satisfaction, but that ain't needed.

"If I redefine "telling a story" then I'm corret and you're all wrong because the marine corps made you teh dumb!"

"If I repeat the same joke I won't remember how my country has been destroyed by the country I fellate!"

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 06:17:19 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:14:17 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 06:10:00 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 19, 2021, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Yeah that's great but a heckof lot of storygames aren't trying to be Appendix N they're all into movies or comic books or some performance art shit. Guess if you think everybody's trying to tell stories Appendix N style because you are trapped in the OSR labyrinth you might miss that. Like I got my Fiasco copy here and it's fellating the Coen Brothers not Fritz Leiber.

But sure those are different media from RPGs and they tell stories different ways but it's like "That movie can't be telling a story, it's not a novel" is dumb, same way "That group of people playing a game where they tell a story can't be telling a story, it's a game not a novel" is also dumb.

This troll can't be this idiotic. Yeah, novels are a different medium than theatre, movies, comic books and television, and yet they all ARE trying to tell a story, just like storygames.

While RPGs aren't.

Now go back to being ignored by the adults in the room.

Greetings!

I've always had the impression that storygames were pretentious circlejerk fests for people trying to play a game, but failing, because they keep ckoking on this weird obsession with posing as a novelist, while despising D&D.

RPG's are a *game* Play the game. Obsessed with story? Read novels, or write novels yourself. Games an novels are two very distinct things. They are not the same things, and cannot be so, inherently.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark I know the Marine corps beats out most of the braincells of the recruits in basic but at least the average site poster knows a circlejerk when they see one so that's a relief.

Game still tells a story. Moment-to-moment you're interpreting numbers into fictional things. Y'all making claims about "beginnings" and "ends" and narrative satisfaction, but that ain't needed.

"If I redefine "telling a story" then I'm corret and you're all wrong because the marine corps made you teh dumb!"

"If I repeat the same joke I won't remember how my country has been destroyed by the country I fellate!"

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 06:16:21 PM

"If I say things in a sarcastic tone then I can pretend I won the argument and don't spend my days living in fear of narcos!"

Your definition of story is shit, and so are you.

Point exactly where I repeat a "joke" you smoothbrain.

By your redefinition of story the people fighting in any war were telling a story, Doctors Without Borders are telling a story, people going to work are telling a story, people playing Monopoly are telling a story.

Now, use those many neurons teh Marine Corps didn't beat out of you and untangle that knot without re defining words.

You're an imbecile, which is why you can't argue your points wothout re defining words, and when confronted with it resort to ad hoiminem instead of addressing my points, while I can destroy your "arguments" and insult you at the same time. Because you're a smoothbrain.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:28:31 PM
Point exactly where I repeat a "joke" you smoothbrain.

You're talking to me twice, which is definitely a repetition of a joke.

QuoteBy your redefinition of story the people fighting in any war were telling a story, Doctors Without Borders are telling a story, people going to work are telling a story, people playing Monopoly are telling a story.

Now, use those many neurons teh Marine Corps didn't beat out of you and untangle that knot without re defining words.

Mine were raped out my ear by my parents but let's try anyway.

You got this "Oh these are telling a story and that's self-evidently wrong and stupid" thing going on in your list, but hey, I have no braincells, so spell it out for me real slow and obvious, with colors and drawings and shit. What's self-evidently wrong and stupid about that?

QuoteYou're an imbecile, which is why you can't argue your points wothout re defining words, and when confronted with it resort to ad hoiminem instead of addressing my points, while I can destroy your "arguments" and insult you at the same time. Because you're a smoothbrain.

I'm resorting to ad hominem because I don't give a shit about convincing you about shit. This ain't a debate. You're another waste of flesh here just like I'm another waste of flesh here. You're wrong, but if you stay wrong, who gives a fuck? You gonna see the light, whatever that is, and play different games?

Fuck no. This is shitting up an argument for its own sake, and you know it. You have the power to stop, and I will continue to not give a shit and annoy someone else whenever. Until then, we're both wasting our time and you know it.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 18, 2021, 10:55:54 PM
Storygamer = Someone sitts to write a story about a fisherman.

I always thought there was a strong correlation between Storygamers and Mary Sues.

Quote from: DocJones on April 19, 2021, 06:45:35 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 18, 2021, 10:55:54 PM
Storygamer = Someone sitts to write a story about a fisherman.

I always thought there was a strong correlation between Storygamers and Mary Sues.

Ehhhhhhh yeah why not. I mostly seen em in D&D where somebody makes the ten-page backstory though or Over The Edge. Dunno why the last one

Oh this is guna be gud.

Quote from: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 06:33:17 PM

You're talking to me twice, which is definitely a repetition of a joke.

On that we agree, you are a joke.

QuoteBy your redefinition of story the people fighting in any war were telling a story, Doctors Without Borders are telling a story, people going to work are telling a story, people playing Monopoly are telling a story.

Now, use those many neurons teh Marine Corps didn't beat out of you and untangle that knot without re defining words.

QuoteMine were raped out my ear by my parents but let's try anyway.

Seing how stupid you are I can believe that.

QuoteYou got this "Oh these are telling a story and that's self-evidently wrong and stupid" thing going on in your list, but hey, I have no braincells, so spell it out for me real slow and obvious, with colors and drawings and shit. What's self-evidently wrong and stupid about that?

Lets see if I can dumb it down enough for a smoothbrain like you to understand:

By your re-definition of telling a story, which makes RPGs something that's telling a story, then the following is also true:

People fighting in a war are telling a story, truth is no they aren't they are risking their lives (like the PCs do in an RPG) to affect the world around them. They might tell a story afterwards IF they survive, but they weren't telling one, writting one or trying to while figthing a war.

Now change fighting a war with all the other examples if your somoothbrain allows you to and the same is true for those.

QuoteYou're an imbecile, which is why you can't argue your points wothout re defining words, and when confronted with it resort to ad hoiminem instead of addressing my points, while I can destroy your "arguments" and insult you at the same time. Because you're a smoothbrain.

QuoteI'm resorting to ad hominem because I don't give a shit about convincing you about shit. This ain't a debate. You're another waste of flesh here just like I'm another waste of flesh here. You're wrong, but if you stay wrong, who gives a fuck? You gonna see the light, whatever that is, and play different games?

Nope, you're resorting to ad hominem because you have no arguments, your only weapon is redefining words, and once exposed you're the emperor in his new suit.

QuoteFuck no. This is shitting up an argument for its own sake, and you know it. You have the power to stop, and I will continue to not give a shit and annoy someone else whenever. Until then, we're both wasting our time and you know it.

No, you're very eager to argue your post modernist BS because you think we haven't got a clue of what you're doing (your motte), and when called out you retire to your bailey of "I'm just a troll lolz!"

Quote from: DocJones on April 19, 2021, 06:45:35 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 18, 2021, 10:55:54 PM
Storygamer = Someone sitts to write a story about a fisherman.

I always thought there was a strong correlation between Storygamers and Mary Sues.

True, storygamers all create selfinsert PCs that have to be the most special snowflake of all and can never lose, be wrong and much less die.

Hey you got any sick burns that didn't get stolen from /pol/ or are you as much an election tourist as your join date suggests.

QuoteNo, you're very eager to argue your post modernist BS because you think we haven't got a clue of what you're doing (your motte), and when called out you retire to your bailey of "I'm just a troll lolz!"

Oh nice, I also read LessWrong sometimes, good for you! Got any other meta-comments you wanna make? Rhetorical superweapons or shit like that? If not great, but yes, I am indeed a troll, you called me a troll, so we agree, kick ass, let's move on.

QuoteLets see if I can dumb it down enough for a smoothbrain like you to understand:

By your re-definition of telling a story, which makes RPGs something that's telling a story, then the following is also true:

People fighting in a war are telling a story, truth is no they aren't they are risking their lives (like the PCs do in an RPG) to affect the world around them. They might tell a story afterwards IF they survive, but they weren't telling one, writting one or trying to while figthing a war.

Nope still not getting it, seems like you're making some kind of distinction between the doing of a thing like fighting a war and the telling of a thing that was done as a story and it's gotta be done after the fact, but I'm still just too dumb to figure out what you think a story is based on that. Gonna have to keep dumbing it down a shave, be real clear.

QuoteNow change fighting a war with all the other examples if your somoothbrain allows you to and the same is true for those.

It doesn't sorry bruh you're gonna have to spell it out, like any good leftist Imma make you do the heavy lifting, and you're either gonna do it or give up and go back to ignoring me because it ain't worth the effort.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 19, 2021, 06:51:15 PM

Quote from: DocJones on April 19, 2021, 06:45:35 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 18, 2021, 10:55:54 PM
Storygamer = Someone sitts to write a story about a fisherman.

I always thought there was a strong correlation between Storygamers and Mary Sues.

True, storygamers all create selfinsert PCs that have to be the most special snowflake of all and can never lose, be wrong and much less die.

Yeah man Fiasco and Dread and shit are real non-lethal.