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Title: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2024, 10:43:28 PM
If you're not on the list of (SHILLS) approved reviewers for the new D&D6e you can't review it or else...

Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:04:18 PM
There are ways to post opinion videos, without showing images of those dang books in the videos.

"Regarding the latest 2024 release, for the world's most well known RP-G...."

Don't show images of the books themselves, don't say the name of the company, etc.

Much of the terminology, is words which are covered by the Creative Commons.  Use that openly shared terminology as much as possible; to compare the 2014 version, to the 2024 changes.

Just give an opinion piece.  Not a pictorial review.  Be vague enough, to dodge their B.S.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2024, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:04:18 PMThere are ways to post opinion videos, without showing images of those dang books in the videos.

"Regarding the latest 2024 release, for the world's most well known RP-G...."

Don't show images of the books themselves, don't say the name of the company, etc.

Much of the terminology, is words which are covered by the Creative Commons.  Use that openly shared terminology as much as possible; to compare the 2014 version, to the 2024 changes.

Just give an opinion piece.  Not a pictorial review.  Be vague enough, to dodge their B.S.

Except a video that didn't show images was struck down anyway.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:12:02 PM
It's odd that WOTC was distributing copies at GenCon, but they don't think people should be able to review the book that's in their own hands?
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2024, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:12:02 PMIt's odd that WOTC was distributing copies at GenCon, but they don't think people should be able to review the book that's in their own hands?

When a movie/videogame studio does this it's usually because the product is shit.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: JeremyR on August 07, 2024, 02:43:17 AM
Reviews should be covered under fair use.  Unless you signed an NDA
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: yosemitemike on August 07, 2024, 04:51:27 AM
Quote from: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:04:18 PMDon't show images of the books themselves, don't say the name of the company, etc.

All of that is covered under fair use in a review.  This is just abuse of the copyright system to suppress negative reviews.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Skullking on August 07, 2024, 05:36:00 AM
Here's my review:

"WotC are too scared to allow me to review this under fair use, so it is probably wank and they don't want you to know that."
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: ForgottenF on August 07, 2024, 10:35:27 AM
It's pretty well known at this point that the way YouTube applies the DMCA makes Fair Use utterly toothless. If a corporation strikes your video you can challenge the strike, but the challenge can take months to be resolved, which effectively buries the video for algorithm purposes. Plus, if you lose a certain number of challenges, you lose your channel. You can also re-edit and re-release the video to avoid copyright, but I've heard of people having to re-edit their videos tens of times, which again takes so long that it makes the video non-viable if being abreast of current events is important to its success.

A corporation like WOTC doesn't need to keep a video off YouTube permanently, they just need to delay it or bury it in the algorithm to prevent it from reaching an audience. They're thinking in big numbers, so as long as more of their target audience sees the shill reviews than see the negative ones, that's a win for them.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on August 07, 2024, 10:57:07 AM
This is why we need desperately to reform copyright law. It's being used by evil corporations to suppress free speech. Corporations are so powerful now that they're interfering with our constitutional rights. They need to be regulated before we turn into a cyberpunk dystopia... even more than we are already.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Eric Diaz on August 07, 2024, 11:12:26 AM
Quote from: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:04:18 PMThere are ways to post opinion videos, without showing images of those dang books in the videos.

"Regarding the latest 2024 release, for the world's most well known RP-G...."


This is in no way compatible with freedom of expression.

It illustrates that "intellectual property" is often a form of censorship, like many claim.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 07, 2024, 10:57:07 AMThis is why we need desperately to reform copyright law. It's being used by evil corporations to suppress free speech. Corporations are so powerful now that they're interfering with our constitutional rights. They need to be regulated before we turn into a cyberpunk dystopia... even more than we are already.

This, exactly.

But the answer is (arguably) LESS regulation; IP itself only exists because it is protected by the state, etc.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: DocJones on August 07, 2024, 11:35:55 AM
Try reviewing it on Rumble.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: ForgottenF on August 07, 2024, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Eric Diaz on August 07, 2024, 11:12:26 AM
Quote from: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:04:18 PMThere are ways to post opinion videos, without showing images of those dang books in the videos.

"Regarding the latest 2024 release, for the world's most well known RP-G...."


This is in no way compatible with freedom of expression.

It illustrates that "intellectual property" is often a form of censorship, like many claim.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 07, 2024, 10:57:07 AMThis is why we need desperately to reform copyright law. It's being used by evil corporations to suppress free speech. Corporations are so powerful now that they're interfering with our constitutional rights. They need to be regulated before we turn into a cyberpunk dystopia... even more than we are already.

This, exactly.

But the answer is (arguably) LESS regulation; IP itself only exists because it is protected by the state, etc.

The problem is that all these corporations have as much or more influence with congress as they do with Youtube, so I don't really see how you'd ever get that done.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: jeff37923 on August 07, 2024, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: DocJones on August 07, 2024, 11:35:55 AMTry reviewing it on Rumble.

^^THIS^^

Google and YouTube are currently being hit with monopoly challenges by the DOJ. They may not be able to remain on top for long.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 07, 2024, 01:46:08 PM
I have a simple solution.
Stop reviewing WOTC products.

Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Brad on August 07, 2024, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 07, 2024, 01:46:08 PMI have a simple solution.
Stop reviewing WOTC products.

I wrote a WotC product review that should cover all current and future releases:

"Instead of buying this, you could do something more useful with your money like purchasing lottery tickets or giving it to homeless people."
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Man at Arms on August 07, 2024, 02:04:59 PM
Perhaps use the new PHB cover as a backdrop for your other videos, with the words "Just Say No to This" emblazoned in bold red text across the cover?  Don't even mention that book.  Talk up other great RPG's, instead.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 07, 2024, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: Man at Arms on August 07, 2024, 02:04:59 PMPerhaps use the new PHB cover as a backdrop for your other videos, with the words "Just Say No to This" emblazoned in bold red text across the cover?  Don't even mention that book.  Talk up other great RPG's, instead.

That's what Justin Alexander did. (Not precisely, but close enough)

Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on August 07, 2024, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: Eric Diaz on August 07, 2024, 11:12:26 AMThis, exactly.

But the answer is (arguably) LESS regulation; IP itself only exists because it is protected by the state, etc.
I agree. We should reduce the lengths of copyright terms to something reasonable, like 28 years. Trademark already covers the rest.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: PulpHerb on August 08, 2024, 06:10:31 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on August 07, 2024, 04:51:27 AM
Quote from: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:04:18 PMDon't show images of the books themselves, don't say the name of the company, etc.

All of that is covered under fair use in a review.  This is just abuse of the copyright system to suppress negative reviews.

Exactly. These reviews will be up after the review process but by then the "approved" reviews will have gotten tons of views and these will look like johnny come latelies.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: PulpHerb on August 08, 2024, 06:12:08 PM
Quote from: DocJones on August 07, 2024, 11:35:55 AMTry reviewing it on Rumble.

And both people interested in D&D 6e on Rumble will see it.

For things like D&D reviews it is still pretty much YT or nothing.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: PulpHerb on August 08, 2024, 06:31:24 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 07, 2024, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: Eric Diaz on August 07, 2024, 11:12:26 AMThis, exactly.

But the answer is (arguably) LESS regulation; IP itself only exists because it is protected by the state, etc.
I agree. We should reduce the lengths of copyright terms to something reasonable, like 28 years. Trademark already covers the rest.

And no more retroactive changes to the length. Your copyright is governed under the law the year the work was produced.

If it is renewable (like the scheme in place up to the 70s) make a charge for the renewal.

I'd allow unlimited renewal but the extension length halves and the cost doubles (and is indexed to CPI) every renewal.  Would be a direct attack on the copyright squatters.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Mistwell on August 08, 2024, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 06, 2024, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: Man at Arms on August 06, 2024, 11:04:18 PMThere are ways to post opinion videos, without showing images of those dang books in the videos.

"Regarding the latest 2024 release, for the world's most well known RP-G...."

Don't show images of the books themselves, don't say the name of the company, etc.

Much of the terminology, is words which are covered by the Creative Commons.  Use that openly shared terminology as much as possible; to compare the 2014 version, to the 2024 changes.

Just give an opinion piece.  Not a pictorial review.  Be vague enough, to dodge their B.S.

Except a video that didn't show images was struck down anyway.


False. Three videos received a warning. All three showed more than 50% of the book. Only one received an actual strike.  The strike was removed and WOTC apologized for the strike (which had been done independently by the legal team, possibly due to a YouTube automated warning).

Videos which were HIGHLY critical of WOTC did not receive a warning or strike. DNDShorts for example RIPPED into WOTC and did not receive a warning for that video. However their video showing ALL the PHB pages, in order and slow enough to pause on every single page, did receive a warning and he moved it to private.

It was purely based on showing full screen of pages, 50%-100% depending on the video.
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Omega on August 09, 2024, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: JeremyR on August 07, 2024, 02:43:17 AMReviews should be covered under fair use.  Unless you signed an NDA

One of the video people WotC contacted and sent a physical book to early and did not have an NDA to sign, did his videos and wotc promptly sent him a warning to not show any images of the that are not at least 75% blurred out.

"The deal has changed. Pray it does not change again"
Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Theory of Games on August 10, 2024, 01:47:55 PM
It's Hasbro's shit. If YouTubers don't want to review it as commanded, then stop reviewing Hasbro's shit. Like I told EN World:

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Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: Spinachcat on August 10, 2024, 06:40:36 PM
Here's my review:

"WotC can go fuck itself. Play OSR instead. But if you want to read D&D 6e, I highly suggest raising the black flag for the digital seas are fertile waters."



Title: Re: Hasbro-WotC copyright strike independent reviewers
Post by: M2A0 on August 10, 2024, 10:16:38 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on August 10, 2024, 06:40:36 PMHere's my review:

"WotC can go fuck itself. Play OSR instead. But if you want to read D&D 6e, I highly suggest raising the black flag for the digital seas are fertile waters."





The DNDShorts notDnD2024PHB pdf is already more common than a potion of water breathing on the high seas.