Quote from: jcfiala;919544They do these things because Steve Jackson loves them.  They may not always do them correctly, but they keep trying anyway.

He's pretty tight-lipped, but he more or less says this as directly as he ever does in the interview I did with him.

Quote from: trechriron;919450That's not what I meant. It should bring more of the unique strengths of GURPS and showcase how to gradually ramp it up; how to incorporate various resources and options from the vast library. It should have cultures, and languages, and social engineering and the lot as things you add in as the adventure progresses. It should be a serious setting with dynamic and rich details that start simple (the little town you live in) and grow in scope across an example campaign.

Instead they are pitching an "engine" replacement for D&D. Not a unique game rolled and inspired from GURPS. D&D already has attracted a ton of people back into the hobby with 5e. GURPS would be like the polar-opposite as far as system is concerned. (note that I have played/GM'ed a ton of 4e and own nearly the entire DF line...)

Worse, there are hardcover books announced that "won't be profitable" enough to produce. So they sit while we toss 100k at SJGames to make D&D GURPS.

It is quite obvious what SJGames cares about. Money. Period. It's like watching a nerd-version of Josey and the Pussycats. "D&D is the new black!"

Except in the end you can't jam a boxed-set of GURPS into a magic-machine and get D&D out on the other side. There are probably a dozen things that would improve the play-ability, marketability, and usability of GURPS. This is not one of them. I'm sure they will make their target. In contrast, Monte Cook games just topped 500k on their new hotness! I wonder if we dreamed big instead of "1980's" what amazing piles of cash we could get from a Kickstarter making GURPS the new hotness? SJGames will never know.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and as always, if this thing turns you on, you should do it BABY! /Austin Powers. I'm just calling a spade a spade. It's another missed opportunity in a string of questionable business decisions regarding GURPS. I no longer have a horse in the race. I've tossed my $1000 at them already (which obviously made no impression whatsoever... HAH). I'm tired of the hard sell and hardship of making this beast work at the table. This boxed set is not going to change that.

Have fun!

GURPS already has products with all of those things. I know over on the official forums and on GURPS twitter there are a lot of discussions about how to introduce people to GURPS that are new to GURPS and I always settled on the side of the folks that want box sets around specific themes (Fantasy, Supers, Action, Etc) because due to the fact that GURPS is a toolkit learning how to play something Powered by GURPS is a hop, skip, and a little jump away from playing full GURPS. Especially if there are new physical GURPS products coming out. I'm sure there will be a product that is designed to bridge the new folks into the full ine on e23.

Quote from: Ulairi;919780GURPS already has products with all of those things. I know over on the official forums and on GURPS twitter there are a lot of discussions about how to introduce people to GURPS that are new to GURPS and I always settled on the side of the folks that want box sets around specific themes (Fantasy, Supers, Action, Etc) because due to the fact that GURPS is a toolkit learning how to play something Powered by GURPS is a hop, skip, and a little jump away from playing full GURPS. Especially if there are new physical GURPS products coming out. I'm sure there will be a product that is designed to bridge the new folks into the full ine on e23.

GURPS does have a lot of product. The issue is that most of it is out of print and usually predates the current edition.

Speaking of out of print, I wish we could have another go at GURPS World of Darkness, either Classic or New. But given how the first attempt in the 90's ended badly with a horrible falling out between SJG and White Wolf, it's not going to happen.

And now that White Wolf is in the hands of a petulant and childish Goth dickhead named Martin Ericsson, I'm sort of glad it's not going to happen. If White Wolf was difficult to deal with for Steve Jackson back when White Wolf was still good and produced quality product, imagine how they'd be under the current Paradox Interactive/Martin Ericsson regime, or even Justin Achilli's reign of terror during Revised Edition back in the very early 2000's.


I still wish we could have had a GURPS Vampire: The Requiem though. Or at least finished and released companions for GURPS Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Mage: The Ascension.

Back to topic, I think a physical release of GURPS Dungeon World that comes with GURPS Lite instead of relying on the Basic Set would be a good way to revive the GURPS brand.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919867GURPS does have a lot of product. The issue is that most of it is out of print and usually predates the current edition.

Speaking of out of print, I wish we could have another go at GURPS World of Darkness, either Classic or New. But given how the first attempt in the 90's ended badly with a horrible falling out between SJG and White Wolf, it's not going to happen.

What the story on that, I never did learn why the line died. I found a lot of use for it myself.

NM I found it myself on usenet.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/io.games.sjg.gurps/iHKkYIFKH_A

Quote from: estar;919869What the story on that, I never did learn why the line died. I found a lot of use for it myself.

Nobody truly knows other than the people who were working at SJG and White Wolf back in 1994. Both sides have glaringly contradictory stories on the falling out and nobody knows exactly what happened or which side is telling the truth.

If you're down under SJG now have a cheaper shipping arrangement in place for you.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919867GURPS does have a lot of product. The issue is that most of it is out of print and usually predates the current edition.

Speaking of out of print, I wish we could have another go at GURPS World of Darkness, either Classic or New. But given how the first attempt in the 90's ended badly with a horrible falling out between SJG and White Wolf, it's not going to happen.


I still wish we could have had a GURPS Vampire: The Requiem though. Or at least finished and released companions for GURPS Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Mage: The Ascension.

Back to topic, I think a physical release of GURPS Dungeon World that comes with GURPS Lite instead of relying on the Basic Set would be a good way to revive the GURPS brand.

Most of the product is available in PDF, as for hard copy if this box and the 2 new physical books sell we may see some reprints.
As for WotC conversions fan one are out there and a lot of the heavy work has been done so making your own is possible. But yeah I seriously dont see another official attempt made with that company.

One other thing the DF box is not using GURPS lite.  Its trimmed down to make it simpler and less all encompassing than the Basic set but its a lot more powerful than Lite.

The project has now funded, and as a bonus all W23 sales in September will count towards the stretch goals, too.

Quote from: dbm;920061The project has now funded, and as a bonus all W23 sales in September will count towards the stretch goals, too.

Yay! I'm really happy to see this get funded and hope it pumps some new life into the system.

OK. I backed it. I know I will regret it later if I didn't.

Quote from: trechriron;920088OK. I backed it. I know I will regret it later if I didn't.

Welcome to the Dark Side muahahaha, OK enough of the evil laugh. It still GURPS and still adds on top of everything you got.

Is it hard to do small print jobs for products as lush as GURPS 4e book? Seems like these days you can do fairly small print jobs, but maybe not with the hard bindings and glossy color pages? Seems it'd make sense to re-print anything that sold out, as long as the runs were small enough, otherwise.

I've been looking at binding and printing solutions for my store.  It'd be great to get rid of shipping costs.  The problem is that you can only make money on the printing itself. You can get a decent laser printer and a tabletop binding system for as little as $1000.  But to the best of my knowledge there isn't a retailer solution for selling .pdfs.  Most'll let you charge for the printing but the margin isn't great.  The other problem is that it's just more low paying work for me to do.

Quote from: Skarg;920214Is it hard to do small print jobs for products as lush as GURPS 4e book? Seems like these days you can do fairly small print jobs, but maybe not with the hard bindings and glossy color pages? Seems it'd make sense to re-print anything that sold out, as long as the runs were small enough, otherwise.

Printing benefits from economies of scale.  So small print runs tend to cost more per book than larger ones.
LuLu and other places will do print runs for individuals and I hear decent things about them.

Quote from: DouglasCole;919777He's pretty tight-lipped, but he more or less says this as directly as he ever does in the interview I did with him.

thanks for the link.

Quote from: estar;919869What the story on that, I never did learn why the line died. I found a lot of use for it myself.

NM I found it myself on usenet.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/io.games.sjg.gurps/iHKkYIFKH_A

Thanks for the link.