Ok So I am going to modify my initial post since I wasnt clear.
My group is currently playing D&D 5th edition, we have all of the books but we find the rules to be way over complicated. Not only that, the rules conflict. They say one thing in one book and something totally different for the same rule in another.
So I am looking for suggestions for OSR games that are fantasy like D&D 5th edition but aren't. Games that are easier to play, less complicated and easier to learn the rules and without the nasty conflicts.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 11, 2022, 07:02:54 PM
So, my group discusses the game on our Discord server, and we are talking about how the 5e rules are so contradictory and well, way over complicated.
So I am interested in finding an OSR game that is like D&D 5th edition but not as complicated and isn't over packed with options.
Any suggestions?
The D&D 5E free Basic Rules cover the Core 4 Classes up to 5th Level, with fewer options. That sounds like what you are describing? You can even get them in print, on Lulu.
My first thought was of Low Fantasy Gaming. It has what I would regard as 5e-esque class design (class abilities gained as you level up and a degree of customization in the class progression), short rests, skill proficiencies, backgrounds and a generally more "modern" style of presentation than most OSR games, but is still a much simpler game than 5e.
As far as options go, it's 9 classes (only two being magic users), 5 races, and no subclasses.
I don't know much about the game, but I believe 5 Torches Deep was marketed as a sort of OSR-ified 5e, as well.
Quote from: Jam The MF on September 11, 2022, 07:13:29 PM
The D&D 5E free Basic Rules cover the Core 4 Classes up to 5th Level, with fewer options. That sounds like what you are describing? You can even get them in print, on Lulu.
This! The free PDF for 5E is roughly analogous to a Basic & Expert set. Only the Tolkien races, 4 core classes, and rules to 20th level.
Into the unknown is a "OSR'd" distillation of the 5e rules. Purposefully dialing it back into a B/X style format.
Plus it. Is not that expensive, so there is that.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 11, 2022, 07:02:54 PM
Any suggestions?
Perhaps my Majestic Fantasy RPG
Free Rules
https://www.batintheattic.com/downloads/MW%20Majestic%20Fantasy%20Basic%20RPG%20Rev%2010.pdf
Free downloads
https://batintheattic.blogspot.com/p/stuff-in-attic.html
Paid Rules
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/337515/The-Majestic-Fantasy-RPG-Basic-Rules
So what sets it apart? Basically. I run campaigns where players have the opportunity to trash my setting. Make their mark. So I detail things that characters can do other than combat and spellcasting. The system is 100% compatible with Swords & Wizardry and 90% compatible with OSE. Next year I will be releasing the full system.
The spellcasting system and combat rules reflect options that reflect my experience with medieval reenactments and running RPGs with more detailed combat systems. However, through over a decade of playtesting, I pared it down to fit with the general complexity of the classic editions. For example, you can do maneuvers and stunts with a successful to-hit roll and forgoing a damage roll. But the target will get a save.
Various details of over four decades worth of campaigns in my fantasy RPGs campaigns in the same setting are found thoughout the rules. But like the combat rules, they are applied with a light touch keeping in the spirit of the classic editions.
Also I try to explain or highlight certain details with Rob's Notes to make kitbashing stuff with other clones and classic editions easier.
Hope this helps.
Quote from: Palleon on September 11, 2022, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: Jam The MF on September 11, 2022, 07:13:29 PM
The D&D 5E free Basic Rules cover the Core 4 Classes up to 5th Level, with fewer options. That sounds like what you are describing? You can even get them in print, on Lulu.
This! The free PDF for 5E is roughly analogous to a Basic & Expert set. Only the Tolkien races, 4 core classes, and rules to 20th level.
If it's true that the free basic rules go to level 20, then that makes it a more attractive option; if you want to run games into higher levels.
Quote from: ForgottenF on September 11, 2022, 08:36:51 PM
I don't know much about the game, but I believe 5 Torches Deep was marketed as a sort of OSR-ified 5e, as well.
The free preview for Five Torches Deep (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/264584/Five-Torches-Deep) has on page 2 their approach to mixing OSR and 5e.
The whole ruleset is only 49 pages long. Summarising:
Characters - only go up to level 9, four races, four classes, 3 archetypes each, archetypes gain one feature from a list of 7 at levels 3 and 7.
Damage - dropping to 0 hp is likely to inflict permanent injuries.
Spellcasting - Has cantrips, but none are attacks; each class only has 5 spells per level, and levelled spells require a casting roll. Weaker than 5e.
I got it in a package with Highfane Deep, which is a somewhat longer setting cookbook for 5TD *
- three replacement races
- a "prestige class" for each of the four base classes; the two that are spellcasting have 3 additional spells per level
- a few alternate archetype features for characters from the region
* "cookbook": it's a bunch of themes and ideas and random tables to build a setting with; there's not an actual map or concrete details. I actually had it open today because I do think the mountaineering rules can probably be yoinked my a regular 5e game if it runs tonight.
Quote from: Jam The MF on September 11, 2022, 07:13:29 PM
The D&D 5E free Basic Rules cover the Core 4 Classes up to 5th Level, with fewer options. That sounds like what you are describing? You can even get them in print, on Lulu.
We all have the 5th edition books. The rules are just over complicated and conflict. A rule can say one thing here and another there. We are looking for a more simplified way of gaming where the rules are know, rarely have to be looked at and we spend more time playing then looking up or arguing about rules.
Quote from: ForgottenF on September 11, 2022, 08:36:51 PM
My first thought was of Low Fantasy Gaming. It has what I would regard as 5e-esque class design (class abilities gained as you level up and a degree of customization in the class progression), short rests, skill proficiencies, backgrounds and a generally more "modern" style of presentation than most OSR games, but is still a much simpler game than 5e.
As far as options go, it's 9 classes (only two being magic users), 5 races, and no subclasses.
I don't know much about the game, but I believe 5 Torches Deep was marketed as a sort of OSR-ified 5e, as well.
Thanks for the suggestion. I will check it out.
Quote from: Palleon on September 11, 2022, 10:16:36 PM
This! The free PDF for 5E is roughly analogous to a Basic & Expert set. Only the Tolkien races, 4 core classes, and rules to 20th level.
Please reread my initial post. I have updated it so its more clear what I am looking for. I have 5e, its too over complicated with the rules and they conflict. I want something simpler.
Quote from: estar on September 11, 2022, 10:38:30 PM
Perhaps my Majestic Fantasy RPG
Free Rules
https://www.batintheattic.com/downloads/MW%20Majestic%20Fantasy%20Basic%20RPG%20Rev%2010.pdf
Free downloads
https://batintheattic.blogspot.com/p/stuff-in-attic.html
Paid Rules
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/337515/The-Majestic-Fantasy-RPG-Basic-Rules
So what sets it apart? Basically. I run campaigns where players have the opportunity to trash my setting. Make their mark. So I detail things that characters can do other than combat and spellcasting. The system is 100% compatible with Swords & Wizardry and 90% compatible with OSE. Next year I will be releasing the full system.
The spellcasting system and combat rules reflect options that reflect my experience with medieval reenactments and running RPGs with more detailed combat systems. However, through over a decade of playtesting, I pared it down to fit with the general complexity of the classic editions. For example, you can do maneuvers and stunts with a successful to-hit roll and forgoing a damage roll. But the target will get a save.
Various details of over four decades worth of campaigns in my fantasy RPGs campaigns in the same setting are found thoughout the rules. But like the combat rules, they are applied with a light touch keeping in the spirit of the classic editions.
Also I try to explain or highlight certain details with Rob's Notes to make kitbashing stuff with other clones and classic editions easier.
Hope this helps.
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I have downloaded the rules and I will take a look, Thank You
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 08:36:39 AM
Quote from: Palleon on September 11, 2022, 10:16:36 PM
This! The free PDF for 5E is roughly analogous to a Basic & Expert set. Only the Tolkien races, 4 core classes, and rules to 20th level.
Please reread my initial post. I have updated it so its more clear what I am looking for. I have 5e, its too over complicated with the rules and they conflict. I want something simpler.
Provide examples of where the Basic Rules PDF are in conflict please. I can see that happening when you include the PHB, DMG, and all the splat books.
Quote from: Naburimannu on September 12, 2022, 03:20:26 AM
The free preview for Five Torches Deep (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/264584/Five-Torches-Deep) has on page 2 their approach to mixing OSR and 5e.
The whole ruleset is only 49 pages long. Summarising:
Characters - only go up to level 9, four races, four classes, 3 archetypes each, archetypes gain one feature from a list of 7 at levels 3 and 7.
Damage - dropping to 0 hp is likely to inflict permanent injuries.
Spellcasting - Has cantrips, but none are attacks; each class only has 5 spells per level, and levelled spells require a casting roll. Weaker than 5e.
I got it in a package with Highfane Deep, which is a somewhat longer setting cookbook for 5TD *
- three replacement races
- a "prestige class" for each of the four base classes; the two that are spellcasting have 3 additional spells per level
- a few alternate archetype features for characters from the region
* "cookbook": it's a bunch of themes and ideas and random tables to build a setting with; there's not an actual map or concrete details. I actually had it open today because I do think the mountaineering rules can probably be yoinked my a regular 5e game if it runs tonight.
I downloaded 5 torches deep. It looks good, however only being 9 levels is kind of concerning since that kind of limits the characters. I am going to check it out though.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 08:29:47 AM
Quote from: Jam The MF on September 11, 2022, 07:13:29 PM
The D&D 5E free Basic Rules cover the Core 4 Classes up to 5th Level, with fewer options. That sounds like what you are describing? You can even get them in print, on Lulu.
We all have the 5th edition books. The rules are just over complicated and conflict. A rule can say one thing here and another there. We are looking for a more simplified way of gaming where the rules are know, rarely have to be looked at and we spend more time playing then looking up or arguing about rules.
Use 5e Basic, as noted. No contradictions. https://dnd.wizards.com/what-is-dnd/basic-rules
Print copy https://www.lulu.com/shop/mike-mearls/dd-5e-basic-set-combined-edition/paperback/product-15gke8w9.html?page=1&pageSize=4
If you want simpler than that, Swords & Wizardry http://www.swordsnwizardry.com/
Quote from: S'mon on September 12, 2022, 10:03:17 AM
Use 5e Basic, as noted. No contradictions. https://dnd.wizards.com/what-is-dnd/basic-rules
Print copy https://www.lulu.com/shop/mike-mearls/dd-5e-basic-set-combined-edition/paperback/product-15gke8w9.html?page=1&pageSize=4
5th edition is still over complicated and not as easy as the OSR editions. I keep asking about OSR games, not sure why people direct me right back to 5th edition which I am already playing and me and my group are not liking.
Quote from: S'mon on September 12, 2022, 10:03:17 AM
If you want simpler than that, Swords & Wizardry http://www.swordsnwizardry.com/
I see it laid out across a webpage. Do they have a .pdf version of the game?
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 10:09:26 AM
5th edition is still over complicated and not as easy as the OSR editions. I keep asking about OSR games, not sure why people direct me right back to 5th edition which I am already playing and me and my group are not liking.
It would help if you actually supported what it is you find too complicated and yet want an OSR version of. In many ways 5E is more streamlined than B/X. What is your actual objection other than its cool to hate 5E? This would be helpful in suggesting other systems.
Swords & Wizardry used to be free at Frog God, but is moving back to Mythmere. There's a PWYW on Drivethrough:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/62346/Swords--Wizardry-Core-Rules?manufacturers_id=2725
Quote from: Palleon on September 12, 2022, 10:25:18 AM
It would help if you actually supported what it is you find too complicated and yet want an OSR version of. In many ways 5E is more streamlined than B/X. What is your actual objection other than its cool to hate 5E? This would be helpful in suggesting other systems.
Swords & Wizardry used to be free at Frog God, but is moving back to Mythmere. There's a PWYW on Drivethrough:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/62346/Swords--Wizardry-Core-Rules?manufacturers_id=2725
I am asking about OSR games, I am not interesting in debating whether you agree with me about whether 5e is complicated or not.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 10:48:39 AM
Quote from: Palleon on September 12, 2022, 10:25:18 AM
It would help if you actually supported what it is you find too complicated and yet want an OSR version of. In many ways 5E is more streamlined than B/X. What is your actual objection other than its cool to hate 5E? This would be helpful in suggesting other systems.
Swords & Wizardry used to be free at Frog God, but is moving back to Mythmere. There's a PWYW on Drivethrough:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/62346/Swords--Wizardry-Core-Rules?manufacturers_id=2725
I am asking about OSR games, I am not interesting in debating whether you agree with me about whether 5e is complicated or not.
I'm not asking for debate purposes. I'm asking for preference purposes to save our time as well as yours.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 11, 2022, 07:02:54 PM
Ok So I am going to modify my initial post since I wasnt clear.
My group is currently playing D&D 5th edition, we have all of the books but we find the rules to be way over complicated. Not only that, the rules conflict. They say one thing in one book and something totally different for the same rule in another.
So I am looking for suggestions for OSR games that are fantasy like D&D 5th edition but aren't. Games that are easier to play, less complicated and easier to learn the rules and without the nasty conflicts.
You've just perfectly described
Crimson Dragon Slayer D20. It's really short, and FREE: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/303380/Crimson-Dragon-Slayer-D20-Revised
I'd say "Into the Unknown" would be a great fit, with one caveat. As written, the game only goes to level 10 with the understanding that there was going to be a companion book that covered the higher levels for all classes. Unfortunately the author ran into a health issue that has significantly slowed (and maybe killed) the release of that book.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: Naburimannu on September 12, 2022, 03:20:26 AM
The free preview for Five Torches Deep (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/264584/Five-Torches-Deep) has on page 2 their approach to mixing OSR and 5e.
The whole ruleset is only 49 pages long. Summarising:
Characters - only go up to level 9, four races, four classes, 3 archetypes each, archetypes gain one feature from a list of 7 at levels 3 and 7.
Damage - dropping to 0 hp is likely to inflict permanent injuries.
Spellcasting - Has cantrips, but none are attacks; each class only has 5 spells per level, and levelled spells require a casting roll. Weaker than 5e.
I got it in a package with Highfane Deep, which is a somewhat longer setting cookbook for 5TD *
- three replacement races
- a "prestige class" for each of the four base classes; the two that are spellcasting have 3 additional spells per level
- a few alternate archetype features for characters from the region
* "cookbook": it's a bunch of themes and ideas and random tables to build a setting with; there's not an actual map or concrete details. I actually had it open today because I do think the mountaineering rules can probably be yoinked my a regular 5e game if it runs tonight.
I downloaded 5 torches deep. It looks good, however only being 9 levels is kind of concerning since that kind of limits the characters. I am going to check it out though.
Imo 5 torches deep isn't really that good. The idea is cool, but the execution is a bit lacking. Like i like roll to cast, but the odds of horrible backlash is a lot higher than the chance of casting at all iirc.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on September 12, 2022, 10:59:10 AM
You've just perfectly described Crimson Dragon Slayer D20. It's really short, and FREE: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/303380/Crimson-Dragon-Slayer-D20-Revised
I will give it a look. Thank you for the suggestion
Quote from: Slambo on September 12, 2022, 11:14:20 AM
Imo 5 torches deep isn't really that good. The idea is cool, but the execution is a bit lacking. Like i like roll to cast, but the odds of horrible backlash is a lot higher than the chance of casting at all iirc.
I looked at it on Drive Thru. It looks interesting and I will look at it. Not excited that it is split up in different books that have to buy in order to have the entire games.
Quote from: Slambo on September 12, 2022, 11:14:20 AM
Imo 5 torches deep isn't really that good. The idea is cool, but the execution is a bit lacking. Like i like roll to cast, but the odds of horrible backlash is a lot higher than the chance of casting at all iirc.
That's a game I am looking at. I will keep an eye out for what you are talking about.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 08:42:32 AM
I have downloaded the rules and I will take a look, Thank You
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 10:09:26 AM
I see it laid out across a webpage. Do they have a .pdf version of the game?
Just as a note, my stuff is 100% compatible with Swords & Wizardry.
And RTF File for Swords & Wizardry Core can be downloaded from here.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sp3hv368bky58og/SWcore4.rtf?dl=0
Publisher's Web Site
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/2725/Mythmere-Games?page=1&sort=1a
While a PDF for Swords & Wizardry Complete isn't available at the moment. I do have a set of reference cards for sales
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/337548/Quick-Reference-Cards-for-Swords--Wizardry
If you buy the PDF you will have a lot of the player's info and can use the SRD wiki for the rest.
Finding the perfect mix between OSR is hard, but there are many options.
If you want 5e with some OSR feel, my favorite is Into the Unknown. My impressions:
https://methodsetmadness.blogspot.com/2021/12/table-tools-booklets-and-into-unknown.html
Playing 5e with only the SRD rules (no feats, backgrounds or choice of subclasses) is good too.
If you want something closer to the OSR with some 5e feel, you could try my Dark Fantasy Basic:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/229046/Dark-Fantasy-Basic--Players-Guide
I'm currently playing something even CLOSER to the OSR: basically, B/X with fewer rules and more feats:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/407233/Old-School-Feats-OSR?src=newest
There are also other options like LFG (awesome game), 5TD, etc. Depends on what you're looking for.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 11, 2022, 07:02:54 PM
Ok So I am going to modify my initial post since I wasnt clear.
My group is currently playing D&D 5th edition, we have all of the books but we find the rules to be way over complicated. Not only that, the rules conflict. They say one thing in one book and something totally different for the same rule in another.
So I am looking for suggestions for OSR games that are fantasy like D&D 5th edition but aren't. Games that are easier to play, less complicated and easier to learn the rules and without the nasty conflicts.
Honestly, most OSR games are going to fit those criteria. It's largely a question of what level of complexity you do want. Do you want base 4 classes only, or more options? Do you want classes with unique features, or just an attack bonus and some saving throws? How do you feel about Race-as-Class? Do you want a skill system? Etc. etc. and so forth.
Personally, I think that most of the games you're going to get recommended if you just base your criteria on simplicity are going to be too simple. I tend to gravitate towards games that are more based on AD&D (such as Fantastic Heroes & Witchery, Low Fantasy Gaming, Hyperborea etc.), rather than ones based on OD&D or Basic (such as OSE, Lamentations, etc.) The latter are incredibly easy to DM, but I find them underwhelming as a player.
If you're willing to step outside of the D&D ruleset, I'll put in a recommendation for the game I'm currently running: Dragon Warriors. It's a class-based fantasy game with an extremely easy to learn ruleset: MP instead of spell preparation. Only two "saving throw"-like stats, simple action economy, quick combats, etc. The only qualifiers I'll put on it are that the setting is lower fantasy than the typical D&D one, and it's pretty low on race options.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/90926/Dragon-Warriors?term=serpent+king+games
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 10:09:26 AM
Quote from: S'mon on September 12, 2022, 10:03:17 AM
Use 5e Basic, as noted. No contradictions. https://dnd.wizards.com/what-is-dnd/basic-rules
Print copy https://www.lulu.com/shop/mike-mearls/dd-5e-basic-set-combined-edition/paperback/product-15gke8w9.html?page=1&pageSize=4
5th edition is still over complicated and not as easy as the OSR editions. I keep asking about OSR games, not sure why people direct me right back to 5th edition which I am already playing and me and my group are not liking.
Quote from: S'mon on September 12, 2022, 10:03:17 AM
If you want simpler than that, Swords & Wizardry http://www.swordsnwizardry.com/
I see it laid out across a webpage. Do they have a .pdf version of the game?
Sorry the recommendations, circled back to 5E. Swords & Wizardry is a great OSR ruleset. One thing you will notice, is OD&D did not have a single universal resolution mechanic. However, each PC only has to learn a single class. I have White Box FMAG, which is a revision of Swords & Wizardry White Box, which was itself a revision of OD&D. White Box sells for $5 in softcover, on Amazonk.
Quote from: rkhigdon on September 12, 2022, 11:06:57 AM
I'd say "Into the Unknown" would be a great fit, with one caveat. As written, the game only goes to level 10 with the understanding that there was going to be a companion book that covered the higher levels for all classes. Unfortunately the author ran into a health issue that has significantly slowed (and maybe killed) the release of that book.
Thanks for that update. I've been eagerly awaiting the next book, but that's explained the delay. Hope his health issues aren't too serious.
BasicFantasy by Chris Gonnerman. It's free. All of it.
https://www.basicfantasy.org/ (https://www.basicfantasy.org/)
Old school D&D with two modern features to "fix" the game. No race as class BS. Your elf needs to pick warrior or spell caster like everyone else. Also, ascending armor class like 3.5E instead of that chart or THAC-0 stuff.
The main book has only the four classes and races, but the free expansions add more like canine paladin.
BFRPG is awesome indeed, and has some amazing free supplements.
Not really "close to 5e", IMO.
Still, great game.
Quote from: Eric Diaz on September 13, 2022, 01:23:59 PM
BFRPG is awesome indeed, and has some amazing free supplements.
Not really "close to 5e", IMO.
Still, great game.
I don't think there is a 5E clone.
However, the OP has changed. Now it's just a D&D style game that's easier than 5E.
I already consider 5E about medium complexity. Crunchier ones are AD&D 1&2, maybe even the Pathfinder games, while easier are all the White Box or B/X stuff. Basic Fantasy is a B/X style game.
I also recommend Dungeons & Delvers Dice Pool edition. It uses a dice chain system. Everything starts as a 1D4, then upgraded to a 1D6, 1D8, 1D10, and maxes out as a 1D12. All dice rolls are your attribute dice plus a skill dice, and often some additional dice from class or racial bonuses, roll 'em all, and add up the best two dice. It's really simple.
Ah, yes, in hat case I completely agree. Also agree with your assessment of the complexity of B/X, 5e and AD&D.
Quote from: weirdguy564 on September 13, 2022, 02:58:18 PM
I don't think there is a 5E clone.
However, the OP has changed. Now it's just a D&D style game that's easier than 5E.
Into The Unknown - is probably the closest thing to a 5e clone of B/X. It labels itself as an O5R game...
It pares back the classes to Fighter, Rouge, Priest, and Magic user. Caps them at level 10 with simplified class ability progression. It also has three optional 'race as classes' Dwarf, Elf, and Halfling.
It adds back in the B/X dungeon and wilderness exploration procedures, along with Morale. And it comes as 5 booklets for the complete game that can be bought separately for those (like players) that don't need the whole rules set.
Drivethru link:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/13311/O5R-Games/subcategory/30580_32808/Into-the-Unknown
Dev's Blog:
https://o5rgames.blogspot.com/
Quote from: weirdguy564 on September 13, 2022, 12:31:50 PM
BasicFantasy by Chris Gonnerman. It's free. All of it.
https://www.basicfantasy.org/ (https://www.basicfantasy.org/)
Old school D&D with two modern features to "fix" the game. No race as class BS. Your elf needs to pick warrior or spell caster like everyone else. Also, ascending armor class like 3.5E instead of that chart or THAC-0 stuff.
The main book has only the four classes and races, but the free expansions add more like canine paladin.
I have played this but I am going to give this another look.
Quote from: Jaeger on September 13, 2022, 06:02:37 PM
Quote from: weirdguy564 on September 13, 2022, 02:58:18 PM
I don't think there is a 5E clone.
However, the OP has changed. Now it's just a D&D style game that's easier than 5E.
Into The Unknown - is probably the closest thing to a 5e clone of B/X. It labels itself as an O5R game...
It pares back the classes to Fighter, Rouge, Priest, and Magic user. Caps them at level 10 with simplified class ability progression. It also has three optional 'race as classes' Dwarf, Elf, and Halfling.
It adds back in the B/X dungeon and wilderness exploration procedures, along with Morale. And it comes as 5 booklets for the complete game that can be bought separately for those (like players) that don't need the whole rules set.
Drivethru link:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/13311/O5R-Games/subcategory/30580_32808/Into-the-Unknown
Dev's Blog:
https://o5rgames.blogspot.com/
That sounds interesting, and is perhaps the closest to what the OP is looking for?
Quote from: Jam The MF on September 13, 2022, 08:04:32 PM
That sounds interesting, and is perhaps the closest to what the OP is looking for?
I looked at it and its interesting. Just wish they had everything in one book. I am also looking at Basic Fantasy which seems to be the closest to what I am looking for.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 14, 2022, 08:12:45 AM
Quote from: Jam The MF on September 13, 2022, 08:04:32 PM
That sounds interesting, and is perhaps the closest to what the OP is looking for?
I looked at it and its interesting. Just wish they had everything in one book. I am also looking at Basic Fantasy which seems to be the closest to what I am looking for.
True it is 5 separate books - But...
Right now they are going for five bucks a piece and at 25 for print and pdf; that is cheaper for a complete game than most other OSR single book offering barring basic fantasy. Personally, I view the ability to buy multiple copies of just what the players need for use at the table on the cheap a feature.
I am looking at the Swords and Wizardry RPG. Any thoughts on the game?
S&W is great too. It is more OD&D than B/X. It has an awesome SRD which you can check for free, with LOTS of monsters, very well supported.
http://www.swordsnwizardry.com/
However, I'd recommend you check estar's post on page 2 - his system is compatible with S&W and has some additional options I enjoy.
I have downloaded it and I will check it out
Low Fantasy Gaming is great. Old School Essentials is great.
If you like sword & sorcery style fantasy ala Conan and such, Barbarians of Lemuria is one of my favorite games ever.
Worlds without Number. The real "D&D for all edition". Its the real deal, well designed.
Edit: Its got a refined and not bloated multiclassing system, its highly customizable, its lacking 5es intentional clunk in places, and takes the best from every edition of D&D.
And the base edition is FREE (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/348809/Worlds-Without-Number-Free-Edition).
Quote from: Eric Diaz on September 15, 2022, 10:43:55 AM
S&W is great too. It is more OD&D than B/X. It has an awesome SRD which you can check for free, with LOTS of monsters, very well supported.
http://www.swordsnwizardry.com/
However, I'd recommend you check estar's post on page 2 - his system is compatible with S&W and has some additional options I enjoy.
I purchased and have already used OSE Classic Fantasy, as a fallback resource for anything I might want, that isn't already spelled out in White Box FMAG. I really like White Box, but the other night I referenced OSE for its information about ships and seafaring. 2 good books, side by side.
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 11:34:47 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on September 12, 2022, 10:59:10 AM
You've just perfectly described Crimson Dragon Slayer D20. It's really short, and FREE: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/303380/Crimson-Dragon-Slayer-D20-Revised
I will give it a look. Thank you for the suggestion
No prob. Let me know your thoughts once you've taken a look. For me, who mostly runs 90-minute virtual sessions between the responsibilities of life, it's an easy to grab and go hybrid of OSR and 5e.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on September 23, 2022, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on September 12, 2022, 11:34:47 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on September 12, 2022, 10:59:10 AM
You've just perfectly described Crimson Dragon Slayer D20. It's really short, and FREE: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/303380/Crimson-Dragon-Slayer-D20-Revised
I will give it a look. Thank you for the suggestion
No prob. Let me know your thoughts once you've taken a look. For me, who mostly runs 90-minute virtual sessions between the responsibilities of life, it's an easy to grab and go hybrid of OSR and 5e.
We played a couple sessions with a modified CDSd20 a year (or two?) ago, and it worked out really well. My table needed a bit more structure so we made some minor adjustments, but nothing too dramatic. If I can find my notes I'll type up what we did and send it your way (assuming you're interested).
It's worth noting that, while it's not relevant to this discussion, I realy like the original CDS as well. I ran a one-shot at a local Con when it first came out and it play fast and easy even though the table was full of people who had never even seen it before.