Remember this? Gen Con threatens to move convention if Gov. Mike Pence signs religious freedom bill (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/24/gen-con-threatens-move-convention-gov-mike-pence-signs-religious-freedom-bill/70393474/)
Well now there is this Gen Con Extends Its Contract with Indianapolis and Expands Hotel Capacity (https://boardgametoday.com/gen-con-extends-its-contract-with-indianapolis-and-expands-hotel-capacity/)
Either they have a short memory, dont really care about the SJW crowd, or just dont wanna go broke...
Quote from: NYTFLYR;1061150Remember this? Gen Con threatens to move convention if Gov. Mike Pence signs religious freedom bill (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/24/gen-con-threatens-move-convention-gov-mike-pence-signs-religious-freedom-bill/70393474/)
Well now there is this Gen Con Extends Its Contract with Indianapolis and Expands Hotel Capacity (https://boardgametoday.com/gen-con-extends-its-contract-with-indianapolis-and-expands-hotel-capacity/)
Either they have a short memory, dont really care about the SJW crowd, or just dont wanna go broke...
All three?
All three....
Quote from: NYTFLYR;1061150Remember this? Gen Con threatens to move convention if Gov. Mike Pence signs religious freedom bill (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/24/gen-con-threatens-move-convention-gov-mike-pence-signs-religious-freedom-bill/70393474/)
Yes, yes I do. (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?31945-Gen-Con-to-Possibly-Leave-Indiana-politics)
Quote from: jeff37923;1061158Yes, yes I do. (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?31945-Gen-Con-to-Possibly-Leave-Indiana-politics)
I hopped over and made it five posts before leaving. Ugh.
I thought Pence caved to corporate pressure and vetoed that bill?
EDIT: Looks like I was wrong. Good for him!
Quote from: NYTFLYR;1061150Remember this? Gen Con threatens to move convention if Gov. Mike Pence signs religious freedom bill (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/24/gen-con-threatens-move-convention-gov-mike-pence-signs-religious-freedom-bill/70393474/)
Well now there is this Gen Con Extends Its Contract with Indianapolis and Expands Hotel Capacity (https://boardgametoday.com/gen-con-extends-its-contract-with-indianapolis-and-expands-hotel-capacity/)
Either they have a short memory, dont really care about the SJW crowd, or just dont wanna go broke...
I'm confused. Gen Con made it clear that they wanted to stay in Indianapolis for the foreseeable future, the pressure on Pence came from local and state businesses, who understandably feared not only the loss of Gen Con, but many other conventions.
Gen Con is already very crowded, it wouldn't have bothered me if it had relocated, but there's undeniably an excellent relationship between the city and the visitors/organizers, and that clearly has value. Developing more accommodation makes sense.
Quote from: Motorskills;1061341I'm confused. ...
1) There was a lot of noise about leaving if the bill was passed.
2) The bill was passed.
3) No follow up protest. No further noise.
4) Gen Con stays in Indy.
Please don't be confused. It's clearly a typical regressive left tempter-tantrum followed by a typical regressive left action plan (do nothing).
It would be impressive if Gen Con did do some snarky trolling during the CON. Like large signs "Every Nerd is Welcome Here", maybe offer some free booth space to freedom of religion, LGBTQ advocacy, freedom of choice, environmental advocacy groups. Have a Nerd Pride parade between the venues. Replace all the bathroom markers with gender neutral signs. Set up public diaper changing stations and breast-feeding stations. Run a fund-raising campaign for Planned Parenthood. You know, do some chest-pounding in the heart of Evangelical territory that raises a few eyebrows.
Quote from: Motorskills;1061341I'm confused. Gen Con made it clear that they wanted to stay in Indianapolis for the foreseeable future, the pressure on Pence came from local and state businesses, who understandably feared not only the loss of Gen Con, but many other conventions.
Gen Con is already very crowded, it wouldn't have bothered me if it had relocated, but there's undeniably an excellent relationship between the city and the visitors/organizers, and that clearly has value. Developing more accommodation makes sense.
Where would they relocate to? I was impressed with all the connections the convention center had to that down town area, and I am sure a larger city might have a larger facility, but I have doubts a larger city would be as committed to the convention regarding how it connects to the down town area and lodging.
Quote from: oggsmash;1061397Where would they relocate to? I was impressed with all the connections the convention center had to that down town area, and I am sure a larger city might have a larger facility, but I have doubts a larger city would be as committed to the convention regarding how it connects to the down town area and lodging.
Indianapolis isn't even in the top ten biggest (
apparently (https://www.statista.com/statistics/255171/convention-centers-in-the-us-ranked-by-size/)), so I don't doubt that Gen Con could find a new host if they wanted, might need to hold off moving for five or six years though.
"Committed to the convention" is an interesting one though, I don't know how that would be measured (clearly Gen Con seem happy enough to stay, and that's fine). At the end of the day the hospitality industry is in the business of being...well...hospitable, so I doubt it's a major bar.
That said, I doubt somewhere like Las Vegas would work, since Gen Con wouldn't be the most important thing in town, plus the general connotations of Sin City, etc.
Quote from: trechriron;1061396Replace all the bathroom markers with gender neutral signs.
#believewomen ...but don't let them have their own toilets.
At my work the Students Union decided the University must create gender neutral toilets (restrooms for US-icans) in the main building. Naturally they weren't going to tear out the urinals ...so the women's toilets went gender neutral while the men got to keep their men-only toilets. My female office colleague got quite a shock!
That makes me laugh way harder than it should.
Quote from: S'mon;1061403#believewomen ...but don't let them have their own toilets.
At my work the Students Union decided the University must create gender neutral toilets (restrooms for US-icans) in the main building. Naturally they weren't going to tear out the urinals ...so the women's toilets went gender neutral while the men got to keep their men-only toilets. My female office colleague got quite a shock!
Oh, that's the BEST kind of Monkey's Paw wish...
Quote from: S'mon;1061403#believewomen ...but don't let them have their own toilets.
At my work the Students Union decided the University must create gender neutral toilets (restrooms for US-icans) in the main building. Naturally they weren't going to tear out the urinals ...so the women's toilets went gender neutral while the men got to keep their men-only toilets. My female office colleague got quite a shock!
A couple of restaurants out here did the opposite. The women's rooms are still women's rooms, but the men's rooms are now any gender. Each has a capacity of one.
So sometimes a woman goes into the non-gendered room, leaving the women's room empty, and men are waiting for the woman to get out of what was blatantly, obviously a men's room before.
Quote from: Mistwell;1061449A couple of restaurants out here did the opposite. The women's rooms are still women's rooms, but the men's rooms are now any gender. Each has a capacity of one.
So sometimes a woman goes into the non-gendered room, leaving the women's room empty, and men are waiting for the woman to get out of what was blatantly, obviously a men's room before.
I'm a dude and I've used many one-person women's rooms long before any of this nonsense. If I have to go, I'm going.
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1061475I'm a dude and I've used many one-person women's rooms long before any of this nonsense. If I have to go, I'm going.
Heh, I know I've done this in the jury room while on jury duty. I was sitting on the wall with the restrooms, I just turned around and went in the one nearest me. When I came out, someone sitting on the other side of the table pointed out my faux pas. The room barely had room for the table and chairs so there just wasn't much space to stand back and figure out which was the right door...
As to making some restrooms gender neutral, only fair thing is to convert an equal number of mens and womens restrooms, though in some places it would be more fair to convert mens rooms (in places where the ladies room always has a line and the mens room usually doesn't). During Indigo Girls concerts at our Zoo, I think they have converted the mens room nearest to the stage to a ladies room. Still, one time, a woman asked if it was ok to come into the men's room. No one had an issue... At another venue, a mens room was converted to gender neutral. Guys would be standing at the urinals while ladies waltzed past to the stalls... I've also seen gender neutral showers... The first place I ever saw a gender neutral bathroom (which I'm pretty sure included showers) was at MIT in 1981 or 1982...
Quote from: S'mon;1061403My female office colleague got quite a shock!
I wonder how those calling for "gender neutral toilets" feel when a dude in the next stall takes a mega dump after his taco & beer fest had 8 hours to party in his colon?
Back in college, the rooms adjacent to the men's bathroom were always all-male to spare the women the aroma storms.
Quote from: NYTFLYR;1061150Remember this? Gen Con threatens to move convention if Gov. Mike Pence signs religious freedom bill (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/24/gen-con-threatens-move-convention-gov-mike-pence-signs-religious-freedom-bill/70393474/)
Well now there is this Gen Con Extends Its Contract with Indianapolis and Expands Hotel Capacity (https://boardgametoday.com/gen-con-extends-its-contract-with-indianapolis-and-expands-hotel-capacity/)
Either they have a short memory, dont really care about the SJW crowd, or just dont wanna go broke...
Gen Con is a Democrats: The Gathering convention. It's only a concern of the Left.
Quote from: trechriron;10613961) There was a lot of noise about leaving if the bill was passed.
2) The bill was passed.
3) No follow up protest. No further noise.
4) Gen Con stays in Indy.
Please don't be confused. It's clearly a typical regressive left tempter-tantrum followed by a typical regressive left action plan (do nothing).
It would be impressive if Gen Con did do some snarky trolling during the CON. Like large signs "Every Nerd is Welcome Here", maybe offer some free booth space to freedom of religion, LGBTQ advocacy, freedom of choice, environmental advocacy groups. Have a Nerd Pride parade between the venues. Replace all the bathroom markers with gender neutral signs. Set up public diaper changing stations and breast-feeding stations. Run a fund-raising campaign for Planned Parenthood. You know, do some chest-pounding in the heart of Evangelical territory that raises a few eyebrows.
Huh. Just like all those celebrities that moved to Canada after Trump got elected.
I'm detecting a pattern.
Quote from: trechriron;10613961) There was a lot of noise about leaving if the bill was passed.
2) The bill was passed.
3) No follow up protest. No further noise.
4) Gen Con stays in Indy.
Please don't be confused. It's clearly a typical regressive left tempter-tantrum followed by a typical regressive left action plan (do nothing).
It would be impressive if Gen Con did do some snarky trolling during the CON. Like large signs "Every Nerd is Welcome Here", maybe offer some free booth space to freedom of religion, LGBTQ advocacy, freedom of choice, environmental advocacy groups. Have a Nerd Pride parade between the venues. Replace all the bathroom markers with gender neutral signs. Set up public diaper changing stations and breast-feeding stations. Run a fund-raising campaign for Planned Parenthood. You know, do some chest-pounding in the heart of Evangelical territory that raises a few eyebrows.
That's not correct. The backlash from local industry was severe and swift enough that Pence was forced to make an amendment (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act_(Indiana)). There seems to be debate about how stripped the bill became, but my memory is that the key hostile elements were indeed removed or reduced, which in turn explains why the pressure from Gen Con likewise was reduced.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;1061512Huh. Just like all those celebrities that moved to Canada after Trump got elected.
I'm detecting a pattern.
The pattern is that crazy people have an obsession with other people's wee-wees, where they go and what they do with them.
Plus, it’s perfectly fine to be a bigot toward Christians but not gays. Everyone knows this. It’s one of the standard dialogue options of all NPC programming.
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1061475I'm a dude and I've used many one-person women's rooms long before any of this nonsense. If I have to go, I'm going.
No doubt the reason for assigning any gender to a one-person restroom in the first place includes words like "marginalized", "privilege", and "sexism".
Quote from: Zalman;1061544No doubt the reason for assigning any gender to a one-person restroom in the first place includes words like "marginalized", "privilege", and "sexism".
I felt
marginalized as the only one having to poo at the time and used my gastrointestinal emergency as a
privilege to use a woman's bathroom then saw the disapproving stare of a woman as
sexism.
It's like a Madlib for Dumbspeak!
Quote from: Motorskills;1061513That's not correct. The backlash from local industry was severe and swift enough that Pence was forced to make an amendment (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act_(Indiana)). There seems to be debate about how stripped the bill became, but my memory is that the key hostile elements were indeed removed or reduced, which in turn explains why the pressure from Gen Con likewise was reduced.
Huh. Good to know. I wonder how many amendments have passed to the bill whilst we looked the other way... :D
Quote from: Motorskills;1061513The backlash from local industry was severe and swift enough that Pence was forced to make an amendment (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act_(Indiana)). There seems to be debate about how stripped the bill became, but my memory is that the key hostile elements were indeed removed or reduced, which in turn explains why the pressure from Gen Con likewise was reduced.
The result being that Mike Pence is now Vice President of the United States and an attendee can assault another attendee of GenCon with no arrest or criminal prosecution. I'd say that worked out rather well, wouldn't you? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Spinachcat;1061503I wonder how those calling for "gender neutral toilets" feel when a dude in the next stall takes a mega dump after his taco & beer fest had 8 hours to party in his colon?
Back in college, the rooms adjacent to the men's bathroom were always all-male to spare the women the aroma storms.
Hey ladies can mega dump also... My wife likes to complain about having to use the toilet after me, but sometimes it's her turn to render the bathroom an EPA Super Fund Site...
Quote from: ffilz;1061596Hey ladies can mega dump also... My wife likes to complain about having to use the toilet after me, but sometimes it's her turn to render the bathroom an EPA Super Fund Site...
Snap, son! That's cold...
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1061600Snap, son! That's cold...
I'd make a joke, but it would probably stink.
America is such a strange place.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1061631America is such a strange place.
You're telling us!?!?!
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1061536The pattern is that crazy people have an obsession with other people's wee-wees, where they go and what they do with them.
Both Team Red and Team Blue have WAY too much focus on what's up with other people's wee wees.
Quote from: trechriron;1061632You're telling us!?!?!
You have to remedy the situation, so evidently it needs repetition.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1061637Both Team Red and Team Blue have WAY too much focus on what's up with other people's wee wees.
So, um...how's...how's yours? Doing OK? Hanging out with other nice wee-wees?
:D
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1061631America is such a strange place.
It's the price paid to have personal freedom. In most respects things aren't that bad. I see it as good, honestly. When your life is going well you have time to bitch about X-cards and Fallout 76. :)
Quote from: Motorskills;1061513my memory is that the key hostile elements were indeed removed or reduced, which in turn explains why the pressure from Gen Con likewise was reduced.
You'll forgive me but I'm unwilling to rely on your memory here. Perhaps you can point out at least
one of the key hostile elements which were removed or reduced. Otherwise you're reflexively defending an organization which does not hold the values it claims to.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1061723You'll forgive me but I'm unwilling to rely on your memory here. Perhaps you can point out at least one of the key hostile elements which were removed or reduced. Otherwise you're reflexively defending an organization which does not hold the values it claims to.
There's some blurb
here (https://www.polygon.com/2015/4/3/8341153/indiana-amends-religious-freedom-law-gen-con-responds), including a specific follow-up from Gen Con.
To be clear, the amendment wasn't enacted because of Gen Con, rather a whole raft of high-profile businesses and organizations, including the NCAA, SalesForce, and Angie's List (the latter two were developing big expansions in the state).
There should be a Mike Pence variant of the Lightning Bolt spell.
Quote from: Thornhammer;1061443Oh, that's the BEST kind of Monkey's Paw wish...
Don't you know? All Wishes are Monkey's Paw Wishes. There are no other kind. Unless you're one of those heathen filth that use wishes to simulate other spells. GROSS.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1062208There should be a Mike Pence variant of the Lightning Bolt spell.
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Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1061666It's the price paid to have personal freedom. In most respects things aren't that bad. I see it as good, honestly. When your life is going well you have time to bitch about X-cards and Fallout 76. :)
We're so prosperous. Things can always be better, but just a few hundred years ago, they'd think we live like Gods.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1062369We're so prosperous. Things can always be better, but just a few hundred years ago, they'd think we live like Gods.
I have a very hard time taking seriously someone who has the time and resources to protest capitalism, while walking around in Nike shoes and drinking Starbucks, while filming it on their iPhone.
Edit: I just noticed your signature. I actually started laughing. Out loud.
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1062371I have a very hard time taking seriously someone who has the time and resources to protest capitalism, while walking around in Nike shoes and drinking Starbucks, while filming it on their iPhone.
Can I put this in my sig?
Quote from: moonsweeper;1062378Can I put this in my sig?
Yeah, of course. :)
Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1062394Yeah, of course. :)
Thank you, Sir.
Quote from: moonsweeper;1062439Thank you, Sir.
You are welcome and I am honored.